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Hi guys.
First of all, sorry for my English. I am brazilian and play at LA servers.
Thanks to your work I was able to get the divisions difference this week for LA region and I hope the guys at sc2ranks can make a LA Master there as well with this information. I guarantee it is 100% accurate and complete, as the LA server is a really small server with only 23 diamond divisions, so there was at least 1 member of each division in our top 200. It was really easy to do it.
Also, I don't know if you need the latin name or english name, so I'll give you the latim name first and english equivalent name in [ ].
Rank S (-0 points)
Hacylon Novembro [Halcyon November]
Pretor Ilha [Praetor Indigo]
Rank A (-63 points)
Infestador Pedra [Infestor Pepper]
Rank B (-126)
Argo Eco [Argo Echo]
Rank C (-189)
Destruidora Tau [Void Ray Tau]
Supremacia Gama [Dominion Gamma]
Rank D (-252)
Zangão Whiskey [Drone Whiskey]
Nave Batedora Kilo [Scout Kilo]
Samiku Pi [Samiku Pi]
Rank E (-315)
Médico Miu [Medic Mu]
Preservador Dado [Preserver Dixie]
Corvo Chi [Raven Chi]
Furtivo Sigma [Lurker Sigma]
Viking Rato [Viking Romeo]
Raynor Delta [Raynor Delta]
Ehlna Bravo [Ehlna Bravo]
Azimar casa [Azimar Charlie]
Shiloh Upsilon [Shiloh Upsilon]
Adun Beta [Adun Beta]
Vigia Marte [Observer Mars]
Roxara Psi [Roxara Psi]
Turaxix Ômega [Turaxis Omega]
Rank F (-378)
Ambunave Água [Medivac Alamo]
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Also I'd like to give you this information:
Our LA server is so small that there was once a Platinun Player in top 200, not only that, there was once also a silver player there, mounths ago, they are both diamonds now though.
That means that there is a way to calculate non-diamond divisions in a way to converge with the diamond's ones. Though, it will be luck to see a bronze-platinun player in TOP 200 again, even in LA servers. (maybe in next season?)
Thanks for your time.
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SDream I saw the info you provided to Shadowed, splendid work. I did some error checking and it indeed looks like everything is accurate and that there is a seventh tier. Well done, and thanks for the effort =)
Shadowed is in the process of adding a LA Masters page using the information you provided.
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LA masters league can be found on SC2Ranks now, and Excal looked at the numbers and they're legitimate. Good work by SDream!
http://sc2ranks.com/masters/la
[edit] Beaten
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That most likely means that your division is incredibly inflated with points, thus being a lower tiered division, based upon what I'm gathering from this analysis.
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which is odd as I play people around 2400-2550 (I'm 2500pts), but i checked his match history, and he plays people like 2500 too... I don't undestand how it all works tbh!
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I wonder how many other ways Blizzard has tried to obscure the ladder rankings that we haven't discovered yet. It's sad how all this ego-petting goes against the whole point of a competitive ladder. They must have anticipated the community would find out soon enough, but I guess few casual players will do the research and figure it out.
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So I'm in medic mu with 2160 points does that mean I'm better tha the person in an e rank with 2160 points by 300 points?
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Praetor indigo on the map! represent -.- It hurts my soul knowing that it was only a 252 point loss rather than a 300+ loss, I guess I shouldn't have given up so easily
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Now we need eu master league 
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On November 30 2010 11:44 Amber[LighT] wrote:That most likely means that your division is incredibly inflated with points, thus being a lower tiered division, based upon what I'm gathering from this analysis.
Yep. Sounds like a +315 or possibly +378 division to me.
Couple of things: first, points have no bearing on matchmaking. Second, take a look at the opponents that you and your division leader face. For example, if you're facing 2500-point players from Division A, and he is also facing 2500-point players also from Division A, then you know that your MMR and your division leader's MMR are probably equal, which probably means that you will eventually reach his 2800 points with enough games. However, if you're facing 2500-point players from Division A and he's facing 2500-point players from Division B, and you don't know the tiers of Divisions A and B, then you don't know whether the 2500-point players are of the same quality and worth the same amount of points.
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So I could be in the top 200 on MMR, but not on points. I'm not sure I like how the top 200 is not based on MMR
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The first time I read the OP, I didn't understand, but re-reading today, I finally totally understood. I'm a bit disappointed since this makes it almost impossible to determine my standing in NA. Thus, I'm glad for the addition of the master league.
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On November 30 2010 10:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:
SDream I saw the info you provided to Shadowed, splendid work. I did some error checking and it indeed looks like everything is accurate and that there is a seventh tier. Well done, and thanks for the effort =)
Shadowed is in the process of adding a LA Masters page using the information you provided.
Could we add the Europe information, too ?
For the record :
S-rank :
Feld delta
forge eta
agria alpha
tal'darim theta
stukov foxtrot
uraj eta
akilae lima
Roach Lambda
zealot alamo
mar sara sigma
A-rank:
B-rank :
routhe victor
reaper gravity
chau sara quest
C-rank :
executor alamo
shiloh oscar
D-rank :
E-rank :
duke sigma
Sakai lima
broodling mu
F-rank
Khaydarin X-Ray
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Hey Excalibur, I dunno if this would help you, but it may be useful data for you.
I played Arman from the division Akilae Omicron (S-class) yesterday on Lost Temple and gained 32 (16 from bonus pool) points. Even though I had more points, he was slightly favoured in the match. My bonus points at that time was pretty low (< 50) and his is low as well.
Would this help you determine the rank of my division (Bhekar Ro Kilo)?
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
Great work on the LA server and welcome to the 7th tier!
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Excalibur_Z, I just found out that there is more to the math on TOP 200 than you could guess with the US server info alone.
Your points and your division's "offset" aren't the only factors. It seems that rested bonus points are a factor, but only in some players or in some "random" way. My guess is that active players that aren't active enough will have their rested points summed into their total points for top 200. But I couldn't confirm it. I could, though, confirm that some players with rested points are higher than they should be, other with even more rested points are just fine though. That's why I think that being "active" in some way changes the variable "rested points".
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My prove:
Look at these 2 players that are in the same division:
This one is lower, but is in TOP 200 http://us.battle.net/sc2/pt/profile/180061/2/magoz/ladder/21298#current-rank
This one is higher, and has been for some time (so it is not the games he played yesterday and today) but is not in top 200
http://us.battle.net/sc2/pt/profile/3130/2/Kobalto/ladder/21298#current-rank
What's the difference?? Rested bonus points, that is it.
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I guess the formula is then:
P - O + R/I = True Points
P = Points
O = Division Offset
R = Non-spent Rested Points
I = inactivit level
If you are active enough, whatever that means, you have 1 of inactivit, then you'll have 100% of your Non-spent rested points added to you total (true) points. If you are too inactive, you might have like 1000 of this variable, what basicly means you won't get it added to your total (true) points.
Which means it is too hard for sc2ranks to make a TRUE top 200+ rank, unfortunetely 
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Or, maybe they just ditch inactive players from the top200 on an arbitrary basis, what makes you think there is some kind of formula and inactivity level involved ?
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On December 01 2010 00:56 hephaestos wrote:
Or, maybe they just ditch inactive players from the top200 on an arbitrary basis, what makes you think there is some kind of formula and inactivity level involved ?
This player is 106 in LA.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/pt/profile/25153/2/lamp/
He has 674 non-spent rested points (as of now) and is known for being inactive for more than 1 month (he plays at US servers now). He has been number 1st-2nd in LA for a whole month in August-September. These 674 points are for sure not being summed though as of November 29, cause the math is "just right" where he should be with the "old' formula.
This player is the 200th in LA.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/pt/profile/180061/2/magoz/ladder/21298#current-rank
He has 253 non-spent rested points (as of now) and is easy to see that he played yesterday and even today (he is active, so there was even more rested points before, I guess...). But if you use the "old" formula there is no way he could be top 200 (he is 301 right now in LA masters in sc2ranks), He is receiving some extra points and my bet is the non-spent rested bonus points.
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The problem about NcK and DeathCruel is, DeathCruel, supposidely inactive due to his really high bonus pool(300+), appears at Blizzard's TOP 200, even though he is around 275 on sc2ranks. Meanwhile, NcK appears around 170 on sc2ranks, has no real bonus pool(which means, active) and is not in blizzard's TOP 200.
About NcK, my only guess is that he was incative(high bonus pool) and won several games after the TOP 200 came. DeathCruel is weird, though, since he has a really low amount of real points.
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Reading SDream's post above, my best guess is that most of the players shown at sc2ranks.com are incative for more than a month and, therefore, shouldn't appear at the blizzard's top 200, even by having more points.
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