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If you spend 60$ on a game and it sucks, you've been robbed 60$. Now I know this is entirely subjective to some people, but most gamers can easily see when a game is broken/botched.
Games these days being of generally very low quality compared to what used to be published 10 or 15 years ago (because before if your title wasn't perfect or near perfect AT RELEASE it basically meant bankruptcy and welfare line), people are more cautious. You didn't have the luxury of just saying "lolz we'll patch it later... sometime..." since most patches had to be distributed via magazines and were limited in filesize.
Sometimes you can find gems like The Witcher (mentioned before) and decide such game makers DESERVE money for their awesome work.
Little companies producing very high quality games actually PROFIT from piracy because it helps show and spread their work. Big companies producing games of questionable quality suffer from piracy because people can see what kind of crappy mess their games are BEFORE buying it.
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On November 16 2010 12:05 B-Wong wrote:
That's terrible, I hate seeing people who cheat there way through such great things (music, movies, etc.) That many people have put a lot of effort into and are free to enjoy what they want without even supporting such products. It disgusts me when people like this "Bite the Hand That Feeds" (if anyone gets this reference +300 cool points).
Meh.
Most people who pirate simply don't have the money to buy that shit in the first place. Blizzard is certainly not strapped for income, and Lars Ulrich can live with his Gulfstream IV with the non-Blu Ray entertainment center.
EDIT: As a disclaimer, I always pirate music/movies/games I know nothing about. If actually like the artist/movie/product, I'll buy it. For games, if there's a good demo version out I'll try that instead.
I'm not in the habit of giving people money for pigs in sacks, even if some shill "reviewer" tells me to.
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This is just because many people want to play single player campaign and they don't have money to buy legal copies of games. Take in mind that in a lot of countries sc2 costs more than 10% of average monthly wage, so yea, you don't want to spend that kind of money on game which you won't play online.
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Pirates fear mongering article.
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Starcraft 2 costs RM250 in my country.
I live in a country where the average pay is approximately RM6 (approximately 2USD) per hour (working in grocery stores, restaurants, etc). Now imagine to raise RM250 I'll have to work for 5 days. That's 5 days worth of pay into 1 game!
So if you ask me whether it's wrong to steal? Yes, it's wrong. But whether I understand why people are pirating instead of paying? Yes, I understand why they're doing it too. Unlike most of you from US or Canada, it's not just a 60 bucks game where you can buy from working 4-5 hours.
Before anyone of you decide to screw me over for my comments, I just wanna state that I bought Starcraft 2. I'm just saying that I do know how it feels like to spend so much on a game. It's not because they're extremely cheap people.. it's cause they can hardly afford it.
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On November 16 2010 17:21 bLah. wrote:
This is just because many people want to play single player campaign and they don't have money to buy legal copies of games. Take in mind that in a lot of countries sc2 costs more than 10% of average monthly wage, so yea, you don't want to spend that kind of money on game which you won't play online.
A legitimate question to this is, in countries where SC2 costs 10% of the monthly wage, how do they manage to find the 400$+ necessary to meet the bare minimum requirements to actually play ?
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i love how holy than thou people are lol.
nearly Everyone here has at some point downloaded something illegally, more to the point not everyone wants to pay £40 for a game then find out it sucks..... i certainly wouldn't. I've torrented games fully aware (as do most who torrent) that there no online play, its like that for all game pretty much.
Alot of people who torrent actually buy the game if they enjoy it, those who don't aren't getting anything out it except for wasted bandwidth as the single player in SC2 isn't really all that worth having the game for. To fight this kind of "try before you buy" companies could simply give everyone a 10 day free trial from the day of release... i bet you'd see most of that piracy go away.
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On November 16 2010 12:13 Plexa wrote:I would bet that a number of those illegal downloads are actually people just annoyed with the speed of the blizzard dl 
I thought exactly the same.
Funny how everyone makes the assumption that a torrented game instantly means a pirated game, especially when SC2 is to a big part distributed online.
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On November 16 2010 17:24 emythrel wrote:To fight this kind of "try before you buy" companies could simply give everyone a 10 day free trial from the day of release... i bet you'd see most of that piracy go away.
That would have even worse effects on sales than piracy because people would feel "entitled" to try the products.
And, of course, since most of the production (art/music/games) is of horrible quality, sales would crash to an all-time record.
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On November 16 2010 12:13 Plexa wrote:I would bet that a number of those illegal downloads are actually people just annoyed with the speed of the blizzard dl
Reading this thread while waiting for my new system to finish DLing Sc2. I should have thought of this, would have been so much faster  .
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On November 16 2010 17:23 Shinkugami wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2010 17:21 bLah. wrote:
This is just because many people want to play single player campaign and they don't have money to buy legal copies of games. Take in mind that in a lot of countries sc2 costs more than 10% of average monthly wage, so yea, you don't want to spend that kind of money on game which you won't play online. A legitimate question to this is, in countries where SC2 costs 10% of the monthly wage, how do they manage to find the 400$+ necessary to meet the bare minimum requirements to actually play ?
you mean for computer, internet etc? well you can't really live without it. And that's a problem, all those things are really expensive so people don't really have money to buy games/movies etc so these companies wouldn't get money from these people anyway, because they just don't have it.
I mean, I'm not saying that downloading something illegaly is good, but people don't do it because they're dicks. They mostly do it because stuff is too expensive and they still want to see and play things like the rest of world.
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Man, good thing they didn't include LAN in the game so people wouldn't pirate it. Oh.. wait.
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Funny that people pirate the game to play the single player while I bought the game and have only ever played multi player.
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I wonder what the numbers are for sc1 and broodwar in particular
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Blizzard sells just CD keys online, so I honestly don't think they mind too much about the piracy of the game itself. The main focal point is the multiplayer, which can't be hacked, unless you hack bnet 2.0/blizzard itself.
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In my situation the torrent helped to make the decision to buy the game that much faster.
My friend spent a few days downloading the torrent and getting it to work right (there is a work-around to get the single-player campaign working, but no multiplayer obviously) and then invited a few of us over to see how wicked-awesome SC2 is!
The next day, at least 3 of us went out to the stores and bought a copy of SC2 so we could all play the multiplayer game online.
So how about we assume for every 1 "illegal" download there is the possibility to spawn at least 3 "legit" retail copies sold...sounds like piracy is good for business!
I remember this was the same argument for when mp3 downloads became popular in the napster days. Once people could listen to the music they would be more enticed to go out and buy the album for their collection. Big business just has to embrace it, don't fight it (it won't go away)
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On November 16 2010 12:06 Draconicfire wrote:
Yea, the pirated copies are just essentially campaign. It's pretty dumb to pirate that IMO.
Why? I'd agree that it's multiplayer that makes it worth the money. I never would have paid the price for just the campaign.
And people, please don't make the mistake that industry loves and act as if without piracy all downloaders would be paying customers. That simply isn't true. Many people pirate because they don't care enough for a product to buy it, and if they couldn't get it for free, still wouldn't care enough to buy it and would simply not use it.
I think SC2 is well worth the money and I would encourage anyone who likes games to buy and play it, but I don't see a lot to QQ about here.
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All this huff about torrents are so lame. the only difference between 1995 and 2010 is you no longer have to know someone who has the cd so you can burn it, you can just find it online cd free.
Why does it get so much attention? because we can put numbers to it, and see it happen on a global scale, as appose to how many people in your neighborhood have a burned copy of any said music, game, etc. etc. disk.
Remember, burning a music cd for a friend is just as illegal as torrenting that same album. If anything it just goes to show the progression of technology.
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You only get single player campaign with the pirated version. Sales wise this won't hurt Blizzard; as most, if not all, of the people who pirated the game never had the intention of dropping $60 on a game. They would simply do without. Piracy isn't so much entitlement as it is people wanting a little taste of the culture without paying for it.
I've pirated several games that sold well, played them for an hour or two and deleted them. I wanted to see what the fuss was all about. I've pirated games like STALKER to trial them and then instantly bought them because I fell in love with them. Piracy isn't all the evil it is made out to be.
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I think there is a big different in piracy between EU/US and Asia (or at least SEA).
For US/EU, many people pirate and if they like the game, buy the game from the store too. That would not hurt the industry so much and could be overlook in many cases.
However, in SEA countries, piracy is one of the culture. For example; in Thailand, I think more than 80% of gamers play pirated games and most of them might only play pirated version too. Many people also said that people who buy the legal copy of the game are stupid, or argue that they want to support local "(pirate) industry" (we have factory that pump out pirate games for sale).
Economy is also another factor, if the game is not produced locally, it could cost around 10 to 25% of the average salary here (SC2 was about 25% of my salary). But for some people, even they have a lot of money, they would still choose to pirate anyway.
What I want to say is that, also piracy seems not to be a big of a problem in the west, it is in Asia (or at least SEA). If you see that we have an IT mall with dozen of game retailers that sold "ONLY" pirated version of games/movies/music openly, I think you will see how serious the problem is.
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