EPTI'm watching a lot of GSL and recently they are talking about players reaching S class status. Can someone explain to me what is the deal? Is it when they reach Ro8 or has it another meaning?
What's the meaning of 'S class'?
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ThirtyFive
Canada31 Posts
I'm watching a lot of GSL and recently they are talking about players reaching S class status. Can someone explain to me what is the deal? Is it when they reach Ro8 or has it another meaning? | ||
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Belligerent
United States46 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Lascero
United States59 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
Basically that means you are really really good. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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R0YAL
United States1768 Posts
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Adeeler
United Kingdom764 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:26 skyR wrote: Means they're going to be seeded for the 2011 tournaments. 99% its this otherwise there would be no point. The open qualifications mean top players will get cheesed out allowing weak players through for all of 1 or 2 rounds. Also if the top koreans want corporate sponsership and eventual leagues and so they don't want to play in the open qualifications(cos they can lose like scrubs to scrubs) which is in tune with what blizz/gretech wants in the longer term in terms of revenue opportunities for them. BTW, season 1 & 2 Gretech made a killing on subscriptions about $2 million in season 1 alone I heard already so they are completely secure for the longer term as they are minting money now. | ||
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Niick
Australia426 Posts
GSL 1 - 3 are seeding tournaments to place players into groups (class S, class A) and in 2011, these players will play in the GSL tournaments (with more oppurtunities for the class S players and so on, thus more money / stability (hence why players reaching the top 8 (which gets you a spot in Class S) are saying things like "I'm just glad to reach class S" as they know they have a career in sc2! | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
From what I understand, rankings of SABCDE are pretty common in East Asia (Japan more so than the other 2?). BW isn't the only one to use it. To my knowledge, that's where the special S-rank that is higher than A-rank comes from. What's the story on it? | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:26 skyR wrote: Means they're going to be seeded for the 2011 tournaments. yup that is correct. Idra only has 1 more chance to get Code S hope he can do it in GSL 3  | ||
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:55 andrewlt wrote: I'm curious to where and how this ranking system originated. I tried searching it on Google, but it's pretty hard to search for one letter terms. From what I understand, rankings of SABCDE are pretty common in East Asia. BW isn't the only one to use it. To my knowledge, that's where the special S-rank that is higher than A-rank comes from. What's the story on it? It just comes from BW. B-class were the bottom 75% or so of progamers, A-class were the 4/5 starters per team, S-class were the superstars, top 16 or so in the world, give or take, who were their teams aces and had the chance to win starleagues and a shitload of money. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:57 blade55555 wrote: yup that is correct. Idra only has 1 more chance to get Code S hope he can do it in GSL 3 That's incorrect. There's a very high chance that he has secured his spot as a Code S player. Everyone that has reached quarter finals will be Code S players meaning a total of 24 players from the three tournaments. So that leaves 8 (or more due to people getting to quarter finals more than once) spots that goes to players with the highest points. See this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=164582 | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On October 30 2010 14:01 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: It just comes from BW. B-class were the bottom 75% or so of progamers, A-class were the 4/5 starters per team, S-class were the superstars, top 16 or so in the world, give or take, who were their teams aces and had the chance to win starleagues and a shitload of money. No, this ranking system is used all the time in anime, console videogames and even some Japanese universities. It's really SABCDF, like the US grading system except they have an additional S-rank. BW isn't the only one to use it. I'm really curious where the "S"-rank that is higher than "A" came from. | ||
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kirbynator
Canada503 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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MiyaviTeddy
Canada697 Posts
basically | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On October 30 2010 14:17 andrewlt wrote: Even in Japanese? Especially in Japanese. I play SSF4 and S rank is commonly superior to A rank in fighting games. When people talk about character tiers S tier is above A tier as well. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Someone made subtitle to a 15 minutes GOM video they brodcasted before season 1. Everything was explained, code S, code A, seeds for the first season (now we are in pre season) For some reason the video was removed from youtube because of copyright violation, but I guess that was a mistake, as this was free content. Well, if the person who translate it is stil laround here, perhaps he could reup this vid. | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
I originally thought that S class players would just get favorable brackets and maybe even have to play preliminary anymore. And match-ups or high level players would happen later on in the tournament. Which is really good, since we wouldn't have any BS happening again like with Tester or Top for instance. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On October 30 2010 14:35 Ocedic wrote: Especially in Japanese. I play SSF4 and S rank is commonly superior to A rank in fighting games. When people talk about character tiers S tier is above A tier as well. Well, from researching around, it looks like this system of ranking originated in Japan. However, I highly doubt that the origin of the "S" rank is an English word. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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ey215
United States546 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496 Enjoy. | ||
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koppik
United States676 Posts
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
in terms of the GSL though, it just relates to their seeding structure for 2011 tournaments | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
Obviously 3*8=24 so theres 8 additional spots. Also double/triple counting for players that make top 8 more than once, will free up more spots. So while its favorable to make a Top 8 spot, its not necessary to get in to S-class. Though it says that the total tournament will have 96 players, Does anybody know how that works? 96 boils down a 3 person finals. My best guess is all A-class players 33-96 will vs each other so that the Top 32 A-class players move on. Then in the round of 64 every S-Class player will receive an A-class player to face. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:25 Belligerent wrote: In monster rancher, it was better than A Confirmed. I miss that game ... | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
As far as I know S rank comes from video games. Word on the street is that in Japan C is a pretty poor rank (whereas Americans find it acceptable). So programmers of games that provide ranks for things wanted to add another rank that's even awesomer than A, and they made up S-rank. In practically every game with a ranking system made in the past 10 years S rank has been the dop rank. No doubt BW was inspired by that. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On October 30 2010 14:53 andrewlt wrote: Well, from researching around, it looks like this system of ranking originated in Japan. However, I highly doubt that the origin of the "S" rank is an English word. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's from "Super" or "Special" | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
That's how most ranking work in everything that exists. But America has to be super special awesome and leave out S rank in most things because we are cool like that =/ | ||
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bjwithbraces
United States549 Posts
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lim1017
Canada1278 Posts
if they auto qualify for how long? i think it would be unfair for a player who achieve S class once to get seeded into GSL top 64 for the next year or w/e. (espically if they cant keep up) ive actully never heard of A class, how would seeding of A class players work? | ||
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Niick
Australia426 Posts
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Sobba
Sweden576 Posts
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JoeJin
United States77 Posts
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cablesc
United States1540 Posts
There are two separate tournaments. The S-class and the A-class will not play against each other. The S-class tournament is a 32 player tournament that will be the top tournament with the higher profile, prestige, and presumably prize pool. The A-class tournament is a 64 player tournament that is the lessor tournament in terms of attention and probably prize money. It's similar to what happens in college basketball in the US. There's a top tournament (NCAA's) and a secondary tournament (NIT). In order to keep things fresh and allow players improve their standings, after every GSL there will be a qualifying round to promote/demote players. The bottom S-class players will play against the top A-class players for a spot in the S-league. The bottom A-class players will play against the top 32 in battlenet for a spot in the A-league. Hope this clears things up. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
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Sobba
Sweden576 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:03 cablesc wrote: There's a lot of misinformation still over this issue. There are two separate tournaments. The S-class and the A-class will not play against each other. The S-class tournament is a 32 player tournament that will be the top tournament with the higher profile, prestige, and presumably prize pool. The A-class tournament is a 64 player tournament that is the lessor tournament in terms of attention and probably prize money. It's similar to what happens in college basketball in the US. There's a top tournament (NCAA's) and a secondary tournament (NIT). In order to keep things fresh and allow players improve their standings, after every GSL there will be a qualifying round to promote/demote players. The bottom S-class players will play against the top A-class players for a spot in the S-league. The bottom A-class players will play against the top 32 in battlenet for a spot in the A-league. Hope this clears things up. Ye thats how i understood it. But i think this sucks.. it will be almost impossible for any foreigners now to make a namn for themselfs unless they go to GSL 3. | ||
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Rikstah
Australia126 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:11 Sobba wrote: Ye thats how i understood it. But i think this sucks.. it will be almost impossible for any foreigners now to make a namn for themselfs unless they go to GSL 3. If they are good enough they will do well in the KR ladder, which will get them invited to qualify for Code A, if they are truly better than those in the Code A league, it wouldn't be long for them to get invited to qualify into the Code S league. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:23 Rikstah wrote: If they are good enough they will do well in the KR ladder, which will get them invited to qualify for Code A, if they are truly better than those in the Code A league, it wouldn't be long for them to get invited to qualify into the Code S league. Not really. Many of the top players don't have good ladder ranks. They have good ladder winning percentages but top 32 ladder players is more a function of games played rather than skill. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
eventually S-Class vehicles became synonymous with the best performance class of cars and eventually used to describe top class of performing ppl. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:11 Sobba wrote: Ye thats how i understood it. But i think this sucks.. it will be almost impossible for any foreigners now to make a namn for themselfs unless they go to GSL 3. There are foreigners in both. Don't worry. | ||
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cablesc
United States1540 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:11 Sobba wrote: Ye thats how i understood it. But i think this sucks.. it will be almost impossible for any foreigners now to make a namn for themselfs unless they go to GSL 3. Yes but there are other tournaments besides the GSL tournaments: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141496 There will be 12 tournaments throughout 2011, and there will be 4 types of tournaments. 1. GSL (Ran in January, March, April, July and September) - Main League. 32 Code S players tournament and 64 Code A players tournament. 2. World Championship (Ran in June and October) - 4 representative from each region in a 16 man tournament. 3. Ladder Tournament (Ran in February, May, August and November) - Tournament to decide best of Battle.Net ladder. Top 200 from each region are invited to participate in a preliminary for a 16 man double elimination tournament. 4. Blizzard Cup (Ran in December) - Top 8 (of GSL ranking I'm guessing?) will be invited to decide the best player of the year in a Bo5 Playoff format tournament. Between the World Championships and the Ladder tournaments, foreign players will get 6 chances a year to get into a major tournament aside from the GSL's. Also according to the interview with the Gretech e-sports director, it's possible to make the Blizzard Cup even if you're not a part of the GSL, if you perform in the ladder tournaments: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142000 - Cooperating with Blizzard will also be very important. ▲ We already negotiated with Blizzard. We run a tournament every month, and a ladder tournament ran by Blizzard is included. Blizzard plans on running a ladder tournament about four times a year, and that's included in GSL. The King of Kings Tournament in December is also named "Blizzard Cup." Blizzard also thinks that StarCraft II needs to become an e-sport in order for the game to succeed, so they are cooperating very well. The tournaments throughout the year assign points to each of the players, and those points determine who gets to play in the Blizzard Cup. The ladder tournaments give points the same way as GSL tournaments. For example, even if you never play in GSL, you may be able to play in the Blizzard Cup if you consistently place in the top of the ladder tournaments. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:31 dybydx wrote: the term S-Class was introduced by Mercedez. they produced a series of vehicles that has a more powerful engine than normal cars. however, these cars require higher grade of gasoline. to let their customers know that normal gasoline should NOT be used, they designated these vehicles Sonderklasse, meaning Special Class and shortened to S-Class. eventually S-Class vehicles became synonymous with the best performance class of cars and eventually used to describe top class of performing ppl. The origin of the term "S-class" is debatable. While Mercedes may be historically amongst the first to use that term as a method of distinction, the popularization of the term "S-class" can only be contributed to Japanese culture, or more specifically, manga. The term "S-class" is frequently used to mark characters with high combat abilities. For example, in the popular manga "YuYu Hakusho" which was released in 1990, S-class is utilized in such a fashion. Other more recent manga that may come to mind include Naruto (released in 1999), Fairytail, etc. As such, the term is also brought into the gaming culture due to the target groups of either entertainment sectors are the adolescent group and those in early 20s. S-class became the word of choice to describe players who are "one level higher" than just being good. In the GSL, "Class-S" carries a different meaning. That classification is assigned to the top 32 players in the three GSL tournaments. Those who finished in top 8 of each tournament would be automatically considered "S". The remaining spots will be distributed in accordance to overall performance throughout the three tournaments. As such, even if Idra does not finish top 8 in GSL3, he is still very likely to receive a "Class-S", the same applies to TLO. "Class-A" will be assigned to the other 64 players who exhibited lower level of performance. The purpose of the seeding system behind Class A and S has already been explained thoroughly by previous posts. | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
If the classes were decided today, I believe TLO would make it on the basis of qualifying for each tournament, but he's on the bubble. It could come down to how GOM breaks ties. A qualification for GSL 3 should put him close, a win in the Ro64 should secure it. Now these assumptions are totally taken without GOM releasing how many points they're giving people based on their finishes. I'm flying a little blind, but still trying to get them to tell me. Even a points total we could reverse engineer.What I really like about this three tournament system is that if you're a player that can only manage to make it into one tournament for whatever reason, by going deep you can still get your ticket to the main league. It also rewards consistently qualifying. What this system allows GOM to do is build off the popularity of people that make the Quarters and still get name recognition for those we've seen over and over again in the early rounds, like TLO. As you can tell, I'm the sort of person that loves a good relegation/promotion battle in football leagues. For some reason I find that race to be fascinating. | ||
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Niick
Australia426 Posts
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ZerOsAndOnEs
United States64 Posts
Edit, Sorry about the bump >_< | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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Shinkugami
England74 Posts
 S classes are the highest class (the pinnacle of power). They are so strong that even a "low" S class' strength could completely devastate Earth. In Demon World, they are rare; with only about 20 ever known. It is extremely rare for even a A class achieve this level, while a strong A class was noted to start to get close and that would achieve upper S in less than 2 years. A single S class is strong enough to defeat a horde of five-hundred upper A classes by themselves with relatively little effort. Sensui's full power was said to be at this level, as was Yusuke's when he came back to life as a demon. http://yuyuhakusho.wikia.com/wiki/Demon_Classes | ||
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Niick
Australia426 Posts
Guys he doesn't mean what's the dictionary definition of it, he means what does it mean in relation to GSL, and it's been answered. @ Zero, players can still move up the ranks from not in the league, to A class to S class. | ||
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Tonyoh
France218 Posts
 )Traditionnally, in japanese rpgs as well as mangas, S is a level beyond A. You can see an example of that in saga frontier 2 @ ps1 where when you finish the game you can replay and try to achieve rank S. It stood for "Shihan" (master), or maybe "tenSai" (genie) Korean have the word Chunjae for genie so I think they took that ranking system from Japan. Some Japanese Universities use S rank system as well : http://www.mi.sanno.ac.jp/station/sac/result.html Hope to have helped you with that =) As lot of posters, to illustrate this quite simple, A = Top players and S = Players who have very high win percentage against top players (like Flash, Jaedong). Some people could say S is made for Savior, he never lost, only did it on purpose :D /joke , just trolling ^^ | ||
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kirkybaby
Korea (South)781 Posts
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Sanasante
United States321 Posts
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
On October 30 2010 13:25 Belligerent wrote: In monster rancher, it was better than A You just reminded me how much I miss that game... | ||
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
It seems likely that the Mercedes classification took hold in Japan during WW2 when the German cars could have been supplied by Germany, or Mercedes-Benz built equipment could have came with the Americans. I'm not sure about the history of Mercedes-Benz and WW2 though. | ||
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TMTurtle
183 Posts
On November 17 2010 01:05 Dental Floss wrote: Yeah, this thread took a nosedive into some pretty terrible territory.I think the Mercedes theory is the best one submitted so far. People were using "S-class" in reference to the cars in the 1920s which is 70 years before any lame anime reference people have pointed out. | ||
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On November 16 2010 14:51 ZerOsAndOnEs wrote: Will S have to qualify through the 2011 GSL tournaments? If so will there be open spots for random no names to goto Korea and give it a shot still? Edit, Sorry about the bump >_< Yes, there will be tournaments for: High ladder players to move into A class and A class to move into S class Also, remember the A class will have a LARGE foreigner membership... since well the best showing in the GSL 1 - 3 that were not the top 32 will be in A class... So if you subtract how many players have been in multiple GSLs that are not in the top 32, there aren't that many really (who got to the R64) so I guess we will see who is and who isn't in A class... | ||
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StarStruck
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BW: A title reserved for players who show great understanding of all match-ups and show results time and time again. These players lead the pro scene with their unique builds. As someone said earlier, very few players reach this class. This doesn't mean you are a Bonjwa (lmao at the guy who said this). SC2: Players who earned a seed into the next GSL based on Gretech's ranking system; for example, if you make top 8 in a season you automatically receive S Class and earn a berth into the next GSL tournament. Feels like something is missing in my BW S Class definition :/ | ||
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Why the heck they don't just call them "seeded players" is beyond me. Shouldn't confuse people so much. | ||
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