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On November 08 2010 08:57 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 08:40 lastmotion wrote:On November 07 2010 14:49 MythicalMage wrote:
He might as well switch now if his GSL preformance is any indication of balance. It doesn't make any sense why TL isn't flipping the hell out with "ZERG IMBA" threads like they did for Terran, but that's anther issue entirely. Maybe because TvZ still remains largely in favor of T and a lot of biased users are over-exaggerating the effects of the last two patches? The most critical nerf from those 2 patches was the supply before rax requirement, and even that is nullified when T uses a more macro-orientated early playstyle by expanding earlier and still has a crapton more flexibility than Z early game Zerg learning how to stop early pushes. Roach range by +1 stopping helion harass and reapers. Reaper getting triple-nerfed by build time increase, supply before rax and the factory before speed. Bunker build time getting nerfed. Tanks getting their damage nerfed, greatly changing their effectiveness against the muta ling baneling comp that smashes most terran mid-game. COOL STORY BRO! Zerg being a stronger race has been fact since they buffed ultras. Zerg has much better macro mechanics, and they also have the stronger endgame army now. The earlygame cutesy things terran did to them were just things that people stopped after playing against it enough, even before the nerfs, and that's not even considering the silliness of banelings. I believe zerg and terran are flawed in a general way. Having the best macro mechanics on top of the strongest and most mobile endgame armies as a strength for zerg while terran who has the worst endgame macro mechanics has the weakest army. But I'm just waiting for Blizz so balance the game. Can't expect it to be perfect, and it's in an enjoyable state as it is.
+1. I can't agree more with this post.
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On November 08 2010 08:57 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 08:40 lastmotion wrote:On November 07 2010 14:49 MythicalMage wrote:
He might as well switch now if his GSL preformance is any indication of balance. It doesn't make any sense why TL isn't flipping the hell out with "ZERG IMBA" threads like they did for Terran, but that's anther issue entirely. Maybe because TvZ still remains largely in favor of T and a lot of biased users are over-exaggerating the effects of the last two patches? The most critical nerf from those 2 patches was the supply before rax requirement, and even that is nullified when T uses a more macro-orientated early playstyle by expanding earlier and still has a crapton more flexibility than Z early game Zerg learning how to stop early pushes. Roach range by +1 stopping helion harass and reapers. Reaper getting triple-nerfed by build time increase, supply before rax and the factory before speed. Bunker build time getting nerfed. Tanks getting their damage nerfed, greatly changing their effectiveness against the muta ling baneling comp that smashes most terran mid-game. COOL STORY BRO! Zerg being a stronger race has been fact since they buffed ultras. Zerg has much better macro mechanics, and they also have the stronger endgame army now. The earlygame cutesy things terran did to them were just things that people stopped after playing against it enough, even before the nerfs, and that's not even considering the silliness of banelings. I believe zerg and terran are flawed in a general way. Having the best macro mechanics on top of the strongest and most mobile endgame armies as a strength for zerg while terran who has the worst endgame macro mechanics has the weakest army. But I'm just waiting for Blizz so balance the game. Can't expect it to be perfect, and it's in an enjoyable state as it is.
Great post mate. Sums it up very nice.
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Buff terran, so the GSL can be 4 terran finals, should be great.
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On November 08 2010 08:57 Dalavita wrote:
Zerg learning how to stop early pushes.
Roach range by +1 stopping helion harass and reapers.
Reaper getting triple-nerfed by build time increase, supply before rax and the factory before speed.
Bunker build time getting nerfed.
Tanks getting their damage nerfed, greatly changing their effectiveness against the muta ling baneling comp that smashes most terran mid-game.
COOL STORY BRO!
Zerg being a stronger race has been fact since they buffed ultras. Zerg has much better macro mechanics, and they also have the stronger endgame army now. The earlygame cutesy things terran did to them were just things that people stopped after playing against it enough, even before the nerfs, and that's not even considering the silliness of banelings.
I believe zerg and terran are flawed in a general way. Having the best macro mechanics on top of the strongest and most mobile endgame armies as a strength for zerg while terran who has the worst endgame macro mechanics has the weakest army.
But I'm just waiting for Blizz so balance the game. Can't expect it to be perfect, and it's in an enjoyable state as it is.
I think the Zergs were already totally imba before the Ultralisk buff with their 1 supply roach and the worst endgame macromechanic is definitely chrono-boost, but I agree with your main point.
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I agree with that post as welll all though reapers were never my choice of unit. I always kinda played very aggressive and tried to get an expand in the process but now zergs are getting so good against it I can't break even anymore.
banelings are way to good in zvz / zvt and they are not that useful against protoss? some kind of change that makes them do more damage to one target or something pls
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Just Close the Thread Please
Some Idiot Terrans who ARE NUB and Angry because their hero lost in GSL and whining about imbalance?
like seriously guys..there is ONLY 1 ZERG in gsl 1 and he made it
this was a balanced finals and NESTEA was down all the time and managed to catch up.
THERE IS NO IMBA IN THIS GAME. only imba map like LOST TEMPLE where terran can cliff all the time?
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How can terrans complain when there are no protoss in top 10 of Koreans ladder currently and basically get rolled in GSLs. Random would be a huge mistake since he'd effectively take on, part of, a weaker race than he has now. I don't get it.
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The whining in this thread is pathetic. Here's an idea: get better.
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On November 13 2010 23:18 W4nteD- wrote:
Just Close the Thread Please
I agree with this.
This thread is -extremely- old, the conversation ceased to be relevant pages and pages ago, and it is now just an endless balance whine.
Every time I see this pop back up to the list of topics, I die a little inside, knowing it is yet another balance whine.
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On November 13 2010 23:35 dcemuser wrote:I agree with this. This thread is -extremely- old, the conversation ceased to be relevant pages and pages ago, and it is now just an endless balance whine. Every time I see this pop back up to the list of topics, I die a little inside, knowing it is yet another balance whine.
Just like the "Why is protoss doing so bad in the GSL?" thread and the mother of all balance threads "ZvT....something".
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On November 13 2010 23:18 W4nteD- wrote:
Just Close the Thread Please
Some Idiot Terrans who ARE NUB and Angry because their hero lost in GSL and whining about imbalance?
like seriously guys..there is ONLY 1 ZERG in gsl 1 and he made it
this was a balanced finals and NESTEA was down all the time and managed to catch up.
THERE IS NO IMBA IN THIS GAME. only imba map like LOST TEMPLE where terran can cliff all the time?
You obviously didn't pay much attention to the GSL brackets if you just said that there only being 1 Zerg is any indication of the state of balance. Look at the brackets:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2010_GOMTV_Starcraft_II_Open_Season_2/Main_Event
In one bracket 4 Zergs had to knock each other out down to one. Only 1 out of 3 great Zerg players, NesTea, IdrA and Zenio could make it through to the semis. Yeah ... balance definitely has something do to with IdrA and Zenio getting knocked out! (Not.)
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@Trang:
Idra said the patch changed the way the game played AS BAD TERRANS GET KNOCKED OUT and GOOD TERRANS STAY. so shut the hell up all about the imba shit
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On November 14 2010 01:05 W4nteD- wrote:
@Trang:
Idra said the patch changed the way the game played AS BAD TERRANS GET KNOCKED OUT and GOOD TERRANS STAY. so shut the hell up all about the imba shit
If Idra said so, I guess it must be true.
I mean, there's no reason to doubt the the veracity of his claims, is it?
Lolmao, hope you are trolling.
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On November 14 2010 01:05 W4nteD- wrote:
@Trang:
Idra said the patch changed the way the game played AS BAD TERRANS GET KNOCKED OUT and GOOD TERRANS STAY. so shut the hell up all about the imba shit
Calm down, where did I express any opinion about there being imba? All I said is that you can't make the argument that NesTea was the only Zerg left to prove anything about balance.
Edit (so I don't have to add more replies to the thread): w4anteD- try reading my posts. You're making profanities at me for things I'm not even talking about, and that's not cool man.
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Eat this shit Trang+Tewy incase u think im trolling
http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/317596/MLG-Interviews-Idra-Winner-of-StarCraft-2-at-MLG-D-C
MLG: Are you pleased with the way the patch is working out so far?
Idra: Yes, definitely. I believe ZvT is pretty close to balanced right now—it's actually going to seem Z>T for a while as bad Terrans disappear and the remaining ones have to adapt to a new style of play. ZvP is certainly much better, but I'm waiting for the matchup to settle into the new patch before making any real comment on it. My only real complaint is that they still haven't addressed ZvZ, but the matchup is slowly making progress on its own so patching might be unnecessary in the long run.
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On November 14 2010 01:14 W4nteD- wrote:Eat this shit Trang+Tewy incase u think im trolling http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/317596/MLG-Interviews-Idra-Winner-of-StarCraft-2-at-MLG-D-CMLG: Are you pleased with the way the patch is working out so far? Idra: Yes, definitely. I believe ZvT is pretty close to balanced right now—it's actually going to seem Z>T for a while as bad Terrans disappear and the remaining ones have to adapt to a new style of play. ZvP is certainly much better, but I'm waiting for the matchup to settle into the new patch before making any real comment on it. My only real complaint is that they still haven't addressed ZvZ, but the matchup is slowly making progress on its own so patching might be unnecessary in the long run.
Not subtle enough.
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Yes, definitely. I believe ZvT is pretty close to balanced right now—it's actually going to seem Z>T for a while as bad Terrans disappear and the remaining ones have to adapt to a new style of play.
Go and have some comprehension reading skills TEWY
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This thread went from Boxer going to random, to Zerg is imba thread and all the people arguing have low post counts lol not saying that means anything, but anyways The finals of the GSL+ Show Spoiler +had a terran vs a zerg and it went 3-3 what elce could you want? both are great players as well but yes here will still need to be some balance changes just stop arguing it on this thread go to b.net
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Oh boy. W4nteD- you should relax...already temp-banned with so few posts and agressive posting. People that do it don't last long. I don't think there's a big balance issue. It's much better than it used to be.
I got into this thread thinking there is new info on Boxer but it's turned into a balance discussion. There's plenty of them already.
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hahaha W4nteD Troll of the year.
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