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Retgery
Canada1229 Posts
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
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Jayrod
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On November 14 2010 01:14 W4nteD- wrote: Eat this shit Trang+Tewy incase u think im trolling http://www.mlgpro.com/content/page/317596/MLG-Interviews-Idra-Winner-of-StarCraft-2-at-MLG-D-C MLG: Are you pleased with the way the patch is working out so far? Idra: Yes, definitely. I believe ZvT is pretty close to balanced right now—it's actually going to seem Z>T for a while as bad Terrans disappear and the remaining ones have to adapt to a new style of play. ZvP is certainly much better, but I'm waiting for the matchup to settle into the new patch before making any real comment on it. My only real complaint is that they still haven't addressed ZvZ, but the matchup is slowly making progress on its own so patching might be unnecessary in the long run. of course hes pleased, they made his race stronger than the other two races overall. Idras idea of balanced has always revolved around his own success. Idra also said in that interview at dallas that it was well known that the only way to stop him was with cheese. really? An 8 minute timing push is now somehow cheese? How about when he lost to nony? quick expand into 5 gate timing push is cheese? In other words, anything that beats him is cheese and if somehow the game goes standarad and he doesnt win its imbalanced. Idras the most overrated foreigner around. | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On November 14 2010 02:52 Jayrod wrote: Idras idea of balanced has always revolved around his own success. I removed everything else, because it was mindless dribble that has nothing to do with anything he posted. As for the line above, IdrA has not complained once about balance since 1.1.2, even after losing multiple times. So qq more please. | ||
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Sitizen
United States34 Posts
On November 14 2010 02:52 Jayrod wrote: of course hes pleased, they made his race stronger than the other two races overall. Idras idea of balanced has always revolved around his own success. Idra also said in that interview at dallas that it was well known that the only way to stop him was with cheese. really? An 8 minute timing push is now somehow cheese? How about when he lost to nony? quick expand into 5 gate timing push is cheese? In other words, anything that beats him is cheese and if somehow the game goes standarad and he doesnt win its imbalanced. Idras the most overrated foreigner around. I've only been following him since beta but he's idea of balance does not seemed balanced at all, I'd have to agree with you. | ||
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Unsight
United States24 Posts
On November 14 2010 05:53 Sitizen wrote: I've only been following him since beta but he's idea of balance does not seemed balanced at all, I'd have to agree with you. IdrA is just like every other player--he wants what's best for his race and his MU's. Sometimes his complaints are genuine balance issues and other times they're just qq in a moment of frustration. The only difference between him and everyone else is that there are more eyes and ears on him due to his success, notoriety, etc. Despite that, IdrA has changed a lot since beta or is working on changing his image at least. He's not screaming about balance issues or raging in public anymore, and he sounds a lot cooler and even tempered in recent interviews I've seen/read. Maybe that's a reflection of the state of the game, maybe he's changed as a person recently, or maybe he's just bottling it up and we're going to see an IdrA-splosion down the road. Either way, it's all good. | ||
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ghostnuke1234
164 Posts
On November 14 2010 04:12 Fa1nT wrote: I removed everything else, because it was mindless dribble that has nothing to do with anything he posted. As for the line above, IdrA has not complained once about balance since 1.1.2, even after losing multiple times. So qq more please. Not much for Idra to complain about since the last two winners of GSL were Zerg. It would be like Idra complaining about Terran balance in BW when Flash was winning OSL/MSL as a Terran player. | ||
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ghostnuke1234
164 Posts
On November 14 2010 01:24 Moonling wrote: This thread went from Boxer going to random, to Zerg is imba thread and all the people arguing have low post counts lol not saying that means anything, but anyways The finals of the GSL+ Show Spoiler + had a terran vs a zerg and it went 3-3 what elce could you want? both are great players as well but yes here will still need to be some balance changes just stop arguing it on this thread go to b.net + Show Spoiler + The problem isn't with the GSL finals going 3-3, it is how it went 3-3: Foxer's strategy was to finish the game before the midway point because the game is broken for Terran late game. Nestea knows that Terran late game is broken so it is in Nestea's interest to prolong the game past the midway point. That is a broken game. Terran should be viable late game but sadly, Terran is not viable late game. | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
On November 14 2010 09:04 ghostnuke1234 wrote: + Show Spoiler + The problem isn't with the GSL finals going 3-3, it is how it went 3-3: Foxer's strategy was to finish the game before the midway point because the game is broken for Terran late game. Nestea knows that Terran late game is broken so it is in Nestea's interest to prolong the game past the midway point. That is a broken game. Terran should be viable late game but sadly, Terran is not viable late game. Exactly. Gsl spoiler: + Show Spoiler + The people who are saying the matchup is balanced have to just be looking at the final scores and ignoring the actual games. Every single game from the GSL and from personal experience has shown that Terran has no chance to win the game as it goes later. Winning 3 games by allining and being hyper-aggressive at the start doesn't show balance. Every time Foxer tried to macro (scrap, xel naga) he got crushed horribly. The entire matchup is incredibly broken, probably more broken than any RTS matchup I've seen in many, many years. As for IdrA's comment, mutas could shoot bouncing nukes and he would say the matchup is balanced. There will never, ever be a situation where idrA says his own race is overpowered. Ever. | ||
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
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Toads
Canada1795 Posts
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liaf
Norway318 Posts
On November 14 2010 05:53 Sitizen wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 14 2010 02:52 Jayrod wrote: of course hes pleased, they made his race stronger than the other two races overall. Idras idea of balanced has always revolved around his own success. Idra also said in that interview at dallas that it was well known that the only way to stop him was with cheese. really? An 8 minute timing push is now somehow cheese? How about when he lost to nony? quick expand into 5 gate timing push is cheese? In other words, anything that beats him is cheese and if somehow the game goes standarad and he doesnt win its imbalanced. Idras the most overrated foreigner around. I've only been following him since beta but he's idea of balance does not seemed balanced at all, I'd have to agree with you. In beta he complained about protoss being too strong against terran while he played protoss | ||
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fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
On November 14 2010 09:35 StoLiVe wrote: I disagree. Terran need to change his late game mind. i mean I only see terran with big mass army but terran's army is way more effectif in little number Terran need to learn how to play now since the game is balance I think people who play 12 hrs of SC2 a day know what they are talking about. I have seen posts like this in the pre patch threads where terran players wanted zerg players to "learn" to play early game because game is balance. | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
Zerg wants to prolong game because his early aggresion is so limited, unless T doesnt have any defence like it was in these games. I dont think T is broken late game. If he is not 2 or more base behind, he should be ok. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
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eoLithic
Norway221 Posts
Has completly moved off-topic and has turned into a somewhat unconstructive post imo. As for BoxeR going random. I wouldn`t really mind. Would be extremely interesting to see a random player doing well(knock on wood). Would be a nice chance to show that he has a superior understanding of the game than most other one-race players. | ||
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
TLO switched to zerg after zerg became more powerful so if anything him going to random is better than that even because he's not just going right to zerg which undeniabley is the strong race right now in terms of performance anyways. + Show Spoiler + 2 GSLs. 2 zerg champs. One going basically undefeated until the finals like man. I mean TvZ is functioning very cool right now and definitley in the right direction but until siege tanks are made less gas heavy and supply heavy it and TvP will always be tough for terran late game in that they will never ahve enough tanks AND there is less gas to spend on essential things liek Ravens which i believe is an essential unit to TvZ that you just cannot afford with siege tank production although without siege tanks terrans gunna die to banes. TvP would also be better with some more tanks too and i think maybe thats the whole problem that SlayerSBoxeR see's with Terran in that siege tanks arent nearly as iconic and useful and potent as in BW. they were the backbone. | ||
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Bull-Demon
United States582 Posts
On November 14 2010 09:09 iEchoic wrote: Exactly. Gsl spoiler: + Show Spoiler + The people who are saying the matchup is balanced have to just be looking at the final scores and ignoring the actual games. Every single game from the GSL and from personal experience has shown that Terran has no chance to win the game as it goes later. Winning 3 games by allining and being hyper-aggressive at the start doesn't show balance. Every time Foxer tried to macro (scrap, xel naga) he got crushed horribly. The entire matchup is incredibly broken, probably more broken than any RTS matchup I've seen in many, many years. As for IdrA's comment, mutas could shoot bouncing nukes and he would say the matchup is balanced. There will never, ever be a situation where idrA says his own race is overpowered. Ever. Man that sounds a lot like PvT in BW and we all know how much of a broken game that was. | ||
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
On November 14 2010 09:52 Bull-Demon wrote: Man that sounds a lot like PvT in BW and we all know how much of a broken game that was. lol ye i guess goliaths were a bit imbalanced but TvP up until late was tough as hell in BW. XD | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 14 2010 09:52 Bull-Demon wrote: Man that sounds a lot like PvT in BW and we all know how much of a broken game that was. lol Iechoic is shooting this WAY WAY out of proportion. For starters if you think this is soo imbalanced you haven't played RTS games very much at all or a variety. If you have played at least 5 RTS games the "imbalances" you see are nothing. Also to note terran does have a chance just because you are struggling in tvz doesn't mean oh its bad now maybe its your playing not balance? + Show Spoiler + Fake boxer has beaten zergs in macro games just because he didn't win the finals doesn't mean zerg is imba fake boxer when he has played macro games against zerg has won more then he's lost just like Nada in tvz as well. I know from watching some top terran players in tvz they seem to be winning just fine I dont' see them getting stomped in tournaments. I still see terrans win more tournaments then the other races so its really not anywhere near as bad as you think. I have seen many games where the terran has beaten a zerg in macro I think its about time you guys stop QQ'ing and actually improve your game rather then blame balance. The mindset of blaming your losses on balance are pathetic and its no wonder you can't beat xxx race because you think its imba so whatever I dont' know why I bother to reply to Iechoic as I know he's like Avilo in where terran is UP and blames balance instead of himself. | ||
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