• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:59
CEST 19:59
KST 02:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3
Community News
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)10BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2) feardragon: Blizzards biggest blunder with SC was… TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 3
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 28057 users

New Top 200 List (10/25/10 post patch 1.1.2 data) - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Knutzi
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway664 Posts
October 26 2010 03:02 GMT
#21
honestly i feel one of the most balanced patches was during the end of beta, then they decided too buff stimpack, grenades and combat shield and it all went downhill from there.
thundertoss
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1166 Posts
October 26 2010 03:04 GMT
#22
I don't know for sure about that. Void rays are stronger with a level 1 charge. This means vs Z 2 void rays now beat 2 queens whereas prepatch i believe they lost. They gain some other advantages although I have yet to test them out fully. Roaches didn't change very much except for the range buff. This is a huge change mind you but they weren't liked very much prepatch. It drastically changes stuff like the cannon rush wall in and being able to put cannons 1 space behind your protoss buildings but I think the main difference that that zergs are now able to hatch first and build up a much stronger economy. Thus roach pushes can come earlier or with more forces, making the roach appear much stronger when it is really just that the race as a whole has changed fairly dramatically.
Underneath David Kims banelings is another control group of banelings.
mikell
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia352 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 03:07:21
October 26 2010 03:05 GMT
#23
On October 26 2010 11:50 SaDGoWu wrote:
This is the most imbalanced Patch to date. Roach are outrageously OP. Void Ray has been removed from the game which means BC and Thors have no counter (Blizzard insured this by removing feedback) , Ultralisks now have no counter. Patch 1.0 was more balanced than this shit. This is coming from someone whose consistantly been top 200, and went up 22 ranks this patch, but in terms of Real Skill level, i should have gone up 40+ but this patch handicaps my skill. This game has devolved into Uncounterable Ball 1a.


no. are you one of those people that turn every thread into a whining balance thread?

every unit composition has a counter. its another evenly balanced unit composition.
drone hard
GraphsAndShit
Profile Joined October 2010
United States4 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 03:39:37
October 26 2010 03:07 GMT
#24
On October 26 2010 11:50 SaDGoWu wrote:
This is the most imbalanced Patch to date. Roach are outrageously OP. Void Ray has been removed from the game which means BC and Thors have no counter (Blizzard insured this by removing feedback) , Ultralisks now have no counter. Patch 1.0 was more balanced than this shit. This is coming from someone whose consistantly been top 200, and went up 22 ranks this patch, but in terms of Real Skill level, i should have gone up 40+ but this patch handicaps my skill. This game has devolved into Uncounterable Ball 1a.


Open the top 200.
control+f SaD - DING NO RESULTS FOUND.

If you think counters exist then you probably aren't even in diamond.
If you think BC's don't still get owned by feedback, you aren't even in diamond.
If you can't beat an opponent with 3 BC's and zero ground army, you aren't even in diamond.
If you put all your units in one control group, you aren't even in diamond.
Ultras got nerfed in this last patch by the way, because their splash was reduced.
Learn to spell consistency.
Stop being a butthurt protoss. If you actually massed voidrays against battlecruisers, you must have never played someone who researched yamato. Voidrays are the most expensive unit in the game to be oneshot by yamato.

Be dumb somewhere else. Try GameFAQs.

User was warned for this post
"Looks like this thread needs some graphs and shit."
mikell
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia352 Posts
October 26 2010 03:09 GMT
#25
nice to see mOOnGLaDe representing SEA at number 16 on the NA server now :O
drone hard
goony
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia28 Posts
October 26 2010 03:10 GMT
#26
The statistics speak of themselves, and I think we all know what needs to be done.

Buff random.

I think 1.1.2 will turn out to be a good patch for balance, but as said before, we need to wait a bit longer before we jump to conclusions.
Windmonk
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada93 Posts
October 26 2010 03:18 GMT
#27
Even if a lot of players switched to zerg, it didnt have enough time to affect the numbers... Some of the top players havent been playing lately and they are still in the top 200...

I would rather look at a *since X patch* data, that removes every games played prior to the X patch.
~Watch and Learn~
thundertoss
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1166 Posts
October 26 2010 03:22 GMT
#28
haha. that would be interesting. someone should write a program that goes through the match history of the top X players since patch 1.1.2 and see how the data turns out.
Underneath David Kims banelings is another control group of banelings.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
October 26 2010 04:03 GMT
#29
Strifecro made a HUGE jump and I'm glad to see that #1 ranked zerg in american now, and Axslav is right behind him at #6.
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 04:06:17
October 26 2010 04:06 GMT
#30
rank15 zerg aloOla 123 - 39, still pulling off the impressive 3:1 ratio, anyone find out who this smurf is yet?
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
mikell
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia352 Posts
October 26 2010 04:08 GMT
#31
On October 26 2010 13:06 Zelniq wrote:
rank15 zerg aloOla 123 - 39, still pulling off the impressive 3:1 ratio, anyone find out who this smurf is yet?


from SEA top 200 , mOOnGLaDe got 183-39
drone hard
Lunchbox
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada34 Posts
October 26 2010 04:09 GMT
#32
On October 26 2010 11:50 SaDGoWu wrote:
This is the most imbalanced Patch to date. Roach are outrageously OP. Void Ray has been removed from the game which means BC and Thors have no counter (Blizzard insured this by removing feedback) , Ultralisks now have no counter. Patch 1.0 was more balanced than this shit. This is coming from someone whose consistantly been top 200, and went up 22 ranks this patch, but in terms of Real Skill level, i should have gone up 40+ but this patch handicaps my skill. This game has devolved into Uncounterable Ball 1a.

Someone had a bad day? Shut the fuck up and take your crying elsewhere.

Annoying whiners.

User was banned for this post.
MusiK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States302 Posts
October 26 2010 04:09 GMT
#33
On October 26 2010 11:50 SaDGoWu wrote:
This is the most imbalanced Patch to date. Roach are outrageously OP. Void Ray has been removed from the game which means BC and Thors have no counter (Blizzard insured this by removing feedback) , Ultralisks now have no counter. Patch 1.0 was more balanced than this shit. This is coming from someone whose consistantly been top 200, and went up 22 ranks this patch, but in terms of Real Skill level, i should have gone up 40+ but this patch handicaps my skill. This game has devolved into Uncounterable Ball 1a.


I think Roach Range isn't the problem, but rather the supply requirement. It was just an easy fix to stop early cheese, but that makes this SOOO easy for the 14 hatch every time against terran. There is no fear of being attacked early while Terran has to fear 6pools (not saying it's valid, but they CAN still do it). The option that the Terran had for aggression in the beginning made it so that the 14 hatch was something that the Zerg had to take a chance on, and if proxied, then use skill to defend correctly.

Maybe it was more of an issue against Toss, but in TvZ I feel like this new addition takes away a lot of early game options for BOTH Terran AND Zerg.
BOOM!!! ~ Tasteless
Windd
Profile Joined May 2010
United States161 Posts
October 26 2010 04:09 GMT
#34
On October 26 2010 11:47 Antoine wrote:
KR one is out too
http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/blog/413527#blog
Z 51 (+1 since last week)
T 79 (-3)
P 66 (+2)
R 3

Idra 13
Jinro 62
Haypro 74
TLO 193


I believe you mislinked. That is for last weeks.
http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/blog/429671#blog
^ that should be correct. Edit it if you get a chance.
"I interviewed the sun, he said the future's lookin' bright, I interviewed the rain, he claimed the sun's truly an *******, I'was suposed to interview the snow today but of course he flaked, So I let my frigid demeanor teeter and take his vacant place" AR
kidcrash89
Profile Joined August 2010
198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 04:11:33
October 26 2010 04:11 GMT
#35
Having all three races have an equal representation in the top 200 is bad IMO. I think Blizz should try to strive for proportional balance (i.e. if only 20% of people play Zerg, then we should expect 20% Zerg in top 200 rather than ~33%). If they try to balance it based on having equal representation and consequently buff/nerf somethings a bit much then it will lead to imbalances eventually as players get better.

Balancing matchups is more important to me than balancing the top 200.
Dazer
Profile Joined September 2010
239 Posts
October 26 2010 04:12 GMT
#36
On October 26 2010 13:11 kidcrash89 wrote:
Having all three races have an equal representation in the top 200 is bad IMO. I think Blizz should try to strive for proportional balance (i.e. if only 20% of people play Zerg, then we should expect 20% Zerg in top 200 rather than ~33%). If they try to balance it based on having equal representation and consequently buff/nerf somethings a bit much then it will lead to imbalances eventually as players get better.

Balancing matchups is more important to me than balancing the top 200.


Blizzard hasn't release any new data about the number of Zerg players yet.

Have you seen the amount of ZvZ we have on the ladder these days?
Neeka
Profile Joined October 2010
United States49 Posts
October 26 2010 04:13 GMT
#37
On October 26 2010 11:59 GraphsAndShit wrote:


Divisions don't matter whatsoever. This guy is a moran who just doesn't know what he's talking about.



Misspelling "moron" in this context is priceless.
"To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems." -Homer Simpson
Dazer
Profile Joined September 2010
239 Posts
October 26 2010 04:15 GMT
#38
On October 26 2010 13:13 Neeka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2010 11:59 GraphsAndShit wrote:


Divisions don't matter whatsoever. This guy is a moran who just doesn't know what he's talking about.



Misspelling "moron" in this context is priceless.


HaHaHaHa
xAPOCALYPSEx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1418 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 04:20:33
October 26 2010 04:19 GMT
#39
That graph in the OP looks pretty reasonable... Dare I say that 1.1.2 achieved almost complete balance? Only thing I can see is that P should be represented a little more, since # of P Players > #T > #Z (I believe)

Edit: Though I do not like the fact that reapers and marauders have been murdered by blizz
bcw
Profile Joined September 2010
6 Posts
October 26 2010 04:21 GMT
#40
random needs buffs
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 2m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EnDerr 103
BRAT_OK 74
NoRegreT_ 51
MindelVK 33
UpATreeSC 3
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 26004
Calm 3585
firebathero 348
Hyuk 202
Dewaltoss 43
sas.Sziky 42
Yoon 42
sSak 41
scan(afreeca) 25
IntoTheRainbow 7
Dota 2
Gorgc5644
qojqva2053
Counter-Strike
fl0m5670
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0589
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu386
Other Games
tarik_tv57708
gofns41255
Grubby1801
FrodaN1428
Beastyqt335
B2W.Neo326
crisheroes322
Lowko198
ArmadaUGS130
Trikslyr66
XaKoH 65
FunKaTv 24
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream7705
Other Games
BasetradeTV7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 23 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 48
• Adnapsc2 32
• HeavenSC 13
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 16
• Michael_bg 9
• FirePhoenix3
• blackmanpl 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2514
League of Legends
• Nemesis8465
• TFBlade941
Other Games
• imaqtpie613
• Shiphtur287
• WagamamaTV101
Upcoming Events
BSL 2v2 ProLeague S3
1h 2m
Korean StarCraft League
9h 2m
SOOP
15h 2m
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
16h 2m
WardiTV Invitational
17h 2m
ByuN vs MaNa
MaxPax vs Solar
Reynor vs Creator
Gerald vs Spirit
Cheesadelphia
21h 2m
CSO Cup
23h 2m
BSL: ProLeague
1d
Hawk vs UltrA
Sziky vs spx
TerrOr vs JDConan
GSL Code S
1d 14h
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 16h
[ Show More ]
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
Cross vs Doodle
MadiNho vs Dragon
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
4 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.