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Blizzard just released their latest update for the Top 200 players on NA servers which can be found at top 200 list
I was really interested to see how the recent patch (1.1.2) changed the balance at the high levels of SC2. So I threw together the stats in a spread sheet so you guys can see the breakdown/ race distribution. (shows top 5, 10, 30, 50, 100, and 200) I also made graphs for the top 50, 100, and 200 so those of us more visually inclined can have an idea of how each race is represented.
That information can be found here: spread sheet analysis
Shameless self plug: There was a ton of shifting on the list and if you are one of the new players to the top 200 list make sure you check out the sponsored top 200 KOTH that I host : Thunder's Top 200 KOTH
But back to the original data... what do you TL'ers think?
Is patch 1.1.2 a step in the right direction (towards 'ideal' balance)?
Are we going to see more Zerg representation in the top 200 now that more and more people are seeing Zergs tear up recent tournaments (mlg, gsl, etc)?
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I think we need to wait a bit longer before the patch affects the Terran/Zerg % numbers.
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I'm on it finally! :D
Was thinking about posting it but wasn't sure if I should. Should see more zergs soon but I don't think it's a good way to tell balance.
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United States12240 Posts
It's worth noting that the weekly Top 200 lists are generated without division weighting factored in. Because divisions are not all equal, points cannot be directly compared across divisions, however the Top 200 lists are produced by points.
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they forgot my name again... jeeeeez.. :D fu pokebunny, congrats :D
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On October 26 2010 11:33 Excalibur_Z wrote:
It's worth noting that the weekly Top 200 lists are generated without division weighting factored in. Because divisions are not all equal, points cannot be directly compared across divisions, however the Top 200 lists are produced by points.
Are you sure? The ordering of the list is not at all the same as the ordering of points.
How are divisions weighted? I thought MMR was equal across all divisions and that it determined your point win/loss.
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Woo, more than 1 random! Thanks for the pie chart.
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On October 26 2010 11:33 Excalibur_Z wrote:
It's worth noting that the weekly Top 200 lists are generated without division weighting factored in. Because divisions are not all equal, points cannot be directly compared across divisions, however the Top 200 lists are produced by points.
Do divisions matter? I always thought divisions were artifacts and didn't affect who you play.
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On October 26 2010 11:32 Pokebunny wrote:
I'm on it finally! :D
Was thinking about posting it but wasn't sure if I should. Should see more zergs soon but I don't think it's a good way to tell balance.
just missed top 100 suckaa
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Definitely. It will take a while for things to settle and for a new set of 'standard' strategies to arise before we see how much this patch actually affected balance but I was surprised at how much the list actually changed from the pre-patch list. It will take people a long time to actually switch races if they were previously playing T or P because they felt Z was too hard/underpowered (plus time for them to get good with Zerg) but the distribution already shows we are headed towards more Zergs being represented.
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hooray im on it, aiming for top 100 next week.
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+ Show Spoiler +the counter to zerg is 12 rax+reactor core/hellion imo. try it out ahahah its gay but funny. just a side note a rax with reactor core = 2 barracks from sc1, so 12 rax+reactor is actually 24 rax, ive never tried this btw, just a theory.
i will be on this list one day!
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And blizzard Top 200 lists are not purely point based like sc2ranks. They take into account win percentage. (not sure how elo/divisions are factored in but isn't just pure points)
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On October 26 2010 11:33 Excalibur_Z wrote:
It's worth noting that the weekly Top 200 lists are generated without division weighting factored in. Because divisions are not all equal, points cannot be directly compared across divisions, however the Top 200 lists are produced by points.
The top 200 lists are not generated based on points. It's based on your MMR.
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I can't understand how Zerg players can be almost the same number as Terran and Protoss in top200 when distrubution of races is like Z: 23% P: 38% T:38%
And after only 2 weeks or something like that after the patch? Wtf o_O
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United States7481 Posts
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Well this data is at the very highest level. If we have thousands of people playings its not hard for the very best of the zergs to be at a similar level to the top terran and protoss players. It should be fairly independent of the actual total distribution.
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This is the most imbalanced Patch to date. Roach are outrageously OP. Void Ray has been removed from the game which means BC and Thors have no counter (Blizzard insured this by removing feedback) , Ultralisks now have no counter. Patch 1.0 was more balanced than this shit. This is coming from someone whose consistantly been top 200, and went up 22 ranks this patch, but in terms of Real Skill level, i should have gone up 40+ but this patch handicaps my skill. This game has devolved into Uncounterable Ball 1a.
User was warned for this post
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On October 26 2010 11:33 Excalibur_Z wrote:
It's worth noting that the weekly Top 200 lists are generated without division weighting factored in. Because divisions are not all equal, points cannot be directly compared across divisions, however the Top 200 lists are produced by points.
Divisions don't matter whatsoever. This guy is a moran who just doesn't know what he's talking about.
The ratings are entirely based on MMR. That's the cross division, cross league, matchmaking rating that you don't get to see. Actual MMR is short term, taking into acount probably your recent 15-20 games, but for this purposes of this list, blizzard could easily look at a week or month.
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