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StarSense
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
206 Posts
October 24 2010 05:34 GMT
#221
From: Liquid`Nazgul [ 13440 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: your topic
Date: 10/24/10 12:35
yes and mlg dallas

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Original Message From StarSense:
Will he be switching in time for GSL3?
Alphaes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States651 Posts
October 24 2010 05:38 GMT
#222
Interesting. I'll hold any judgment for or against him till I see more of his new zerg in action though.
What this
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
October 24 2010 05:39 GMT
#223
On October 24 2010 14:34 StarSense wrote:
From: Liquid`Nazgul [ 13440 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: your topic
Date: 10/24/10 12:35
yes and mlg dallas

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From StarSense:
Will he be switching in time for GSL3?

OMFG OMFG OMFG YAY
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
October 24 2010 05:45 GMT
#224
Awesome! I always loved his Z play. He's got quite a bit of catching up to do though in terms of practice. Didn't seem to do too well at Blizzcon. T_T
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
bendez
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada283 Posts
October 24 2010 05:45 GMT
#225
On October 24 2010 14:33 Grond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 11:41 Lucid90 wrote:
I never liked TLO. Honestly I don't think he has the natural talent needed to succeed against the best in korea. I don't even think he's good enough to beat top foreigners. To me he's always been a flashy player with a big fanbase because of stupid shit like "TLOwnage" or his "creative" play, but when it comes to actual straight up matches he falls flat. I guess the reason for his switch is that now terran isn't as strong against zerg say a month ago, so makes more sense switching to zerg. To me this is still pretty stupid because IMO PvZ is still broken in high levels and zerg is by far the hardest race to play because it's mostly defensive, so he should do even worse in tournament results now.

Sorry to hurt anyone's feelings but this is just how I feel.


This sounds like a person who's only knowledge of TLO's play is from the TLOwnage video. He showed exceptional creativity as Random all throughout the Beta. I guess you think Battle of the Timing Attacks is the epitome of strategy. I don't comprehend how you label creative play as stupid shit.


Well to be fair, his "creative" play will only get him so far with zerg. You NEED to have strong macro mechanics to back up that "creativity" and TLO's macro is well...decent at best.

Don't get me wrong. I like TLO style of play but in professional league, I agree with Lucid90 to some degree.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 24 2010 05:45 GMT
#226
On October 24 2010 14:45 Ownos wrote:
Awesome! I always loved his Z play. He's got quite a bit of catching up to do though in terms of practice. Didn't seem to do too well at Blizzcon. T_T


Download the replay for G2 vs Sen.
whatsgrackalackin420
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
October 24 2010 05:47 GMT
#227
I wish him good luck, but I think that he should've remained terran. I have the feeling that terran fits his play style better, but who am I to judge
Be Nice, Be Fair, Be Mannered.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 24 2010 05:47 GMT
#228
On October 24 2010 14:45 bendez wrote:
Well to be fair, his "creative" play will only get him so far with zerg. You NEED to have strong macro mechanics to back up that "creativity" and TLO's macro is well...decent at best.

Don't get me wrong. I like TLO style of play but in professional league, I agree with Lucid90 to some degree.


His macro is fine. Nearly all the big losses I've seen lately have come from simple scouting mistakes. It just seems like nerves.
whatsgrackalackin420
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
October 24 2010 05:47 GMT
#229
On October 24 2010 14:45 bendez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 14:33 Grond wrote:
On October 24 2010 11:41 Lucid90 wrote:
I never liked TLO. Honestly I don't think he has the natural talent needed to succeed against the best in korea. I don't even think he's good enough to beat top foreigners. To me he's always been a flashy player with a big fanbase because of stupid shit like "TLOwnage" or his "creative" play, but when it comes to actual straight up matches he falls flat. I guess the reason for his switch is that now terran isn't as strong against zerg say a month ago, so makes more sense switching to zerg. To me this is still pretty stupid because IMO PvZ is still broken in high levels and zerg is by far the hardest race to play because it's mostly defensive, so he should do even worse in tournament results now.

Sorry to hurt anyone's feelings but this is just how I feel.


This sounds like a person who's only knowledge of TLO's play is from the TLOwnage video. He showed exceptional creativity as Random all throughout the Beta. I guess you think Battle of the Timing Attacks is the epitome of strategy. I don't comprehend how you label creative play as stupid shit.


Well to be fair, his "creative" play will only get him so far with zerg. You NEED to have strong macro mechanics to back up that "creativity" and TLO's macro is well...decent at best.

Don't get me wrong. I like TLO style of play but in professional league, I agree with Lucid90 to some degree.

I think he thoroughly showed that in GSL1, and to a lesser extent GSL2.
Marl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States694 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 05:48:15
October 24 2010 05:47 GMT
#230
Dang I don't got any fellow foreign terrans to fanboy for anymore except for qxc, who probably isn't going to gsl anytime soon
Straught
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico157 Posts
October 24 2010 05:48 GMT
#231
I am a bit sad, because my decision to play Terran was somewhat based on TLO, and his style. But it makes sense, now that Terran has no harass options, nor any possibility of rushing at all.
MadULol
Profile Joined October 2010
Argentina19 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 05:49:50
October 24 2010 05:48 GMT
#232
On October 24 2010 14:33 Grond wrote:
This sounds like a person who's only knowledge of TLO's play is from the TLOwnage video. He showed exceptional creativity as Random all throughout the Beta. I guess you think Battle of the Timing Attacks is the epitome of strategy. I don't comprehend how you label creative play as stupid shit.


Doesn't take an astronaut to figure out TLO favors cheesy wins over drawn-out games. Aside from fast rushes and the roaches, zerg play is mainly unchanged from what is was vs terran; It's still a pain in the @#% to defend a fast marine+tank push, especially if you went FE.

People who were bad with zerg before the patch will still suck hard with zerg now. The roach range will help a little but in the long run ? Nah.

Aside from that, GREAT... We'll get EVEN MORE "rerolled terrans" who will play zerg the same way all of these failed players do in zvz : 1 base spam 30 roaches a-move, something that basically forces the opponent to do the same... It's even more retarded than the old tank/viking TvTs and that's quite an achievement !
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 05:49:58
October 24 2010 05:49 GMT
#233
On October 24 2010 14:48 MadULol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 14:33 Grond wrote:
This sounds like a person who's only knowledge of TLO's play is from the TLOwnage video. He showed exceptional creativity as Random all throughout the Beta. I guess you think Battle of the Timing Attacks is the epitome of strategy. I don't comprehend how you label creative play as stupid shit.


Doesn't take an astronaut to figure out TLO favors cheesy wins over drawn-out games. Aside from fast rushes and the roaches, zerg play is mainly unchanged from what is was vs terran; It's still a pain in the @#% to defend a fast marine+tank push, especially if you went FE.

People who were bad with zerg before the patch will still suck hard with zerg now. The roach range will help a little but in the long run ? Nah.

Aside from that, GREAT... We'll get EVEN MORE "rerolled terrans" who will play zerg the same way all of these failed players do in zvz : 1 base spam 30 roaches a-move, something that basically forces the opponent to do the same...
Watch his GSL games and tell me he favors "cheesy wins".
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
October 24 2010 05:51 GMT
#234
On October 24 2010 14:48 MadULol wrote:



People who were bad with zerg before the patch will still suck hard with zerg now. The roach range will help a little but in the long run ? Nah.
[/QUOTE]

Uhhh, TLO's zerg was better than his terran in beta and before he switched to terran full-time.
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
October 24 2010 05:51 GMT
#235
On October 24 2010 14:49 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 14:48 MadULol wrote:
On October 24 2010 14:33 Grond wrote:
This sounds like a person who's only knowledge of TLO's play is from the TLOwnage video. He showed exceptional creativity as Random all throughout the Beta. I guess you think Battle of the Timing Attacks is the epitome of strategy. I don't comprehend how you label creative play as stupid shit.


Doesn't take an astronaut to figure out TLO favors cheesy wins over drawn-out games. Aside from fast rushes and the roaches, zerg play is mainly unchanged from what is was vs terran; It's still a pain in the @#% to defend a fast marine+tank push, especially if you went FE.

People who were bad with zerg before the patch will still suck hard with zerg now. The roach range will help a little but in the long run ? Nah.

Aside from that, GREAT... We'll get EVEN MORE "rerolled terrans" who will play zerg the same way all of these failed players do in zvz : 1 base spam 30 roaches a-move, something that basically forces the opponent to do the same...
Watch his GSL games and tell me he favors "cheesy wins".

You are referring to the series where he Thor rushed and followed it up with cloaked banshees?
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 24 2010 05:52 GMT
#236
On October 24 2010 14:48 MadULol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 14:33 Grond wrote:
This sounds like a person who's only knowledge of TLO's play is from the TLOwnage video. He showed exceptional creativity as Random all throughout the Beta. I guess you think Battle of the Timing Attacks is the epitome of strategy. I don't comprehend how you label creative play as stupid shit.


Doesn't take an astronaut to figure out TLO favors cheesy wins over drawn-out games. Aside from fast rushes and the roaches, zerg play is mainly unchanged from what is was vs terran; It's still a pain in the @#% to defend a fast marine+tank push, especially if you went FE.

People who were bad with zerg before the patch will still suck hard with zerg now. The roach range will help a little but in the long run ? Nah.

Aside from that, GREAT... We'll get EVEN MORE "rerolled terrans" who will play zerg the same way all of these failed players do in zvz : 1 base spam 30 roaches a-move, something that basically forces the opponent to do the same... It's even more retarded than the old tank/viking TvTs and that's quite an achievement !


Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. He was never a Terran main race before GSL. He was a Random whose strong races were T and Z.

And to call TLO a cheesy player is retarded. He's not some rush-oriented one baser, jesus. The games that made him famous were all late-game macro games where he won with incredibly entertaining and creative strategies.

It's like the only game you ever saw was the GSL2 thor push on Steppes.
whatsgrackalackin420
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
October 24 2010 05:52 GMT
#237
On October 24 2010 14:51 HollowLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 14:48 MadULol wrote:

People who were bad with zerg before the patch will still suck hard with zerg now. The roach range will help a little but in the long run ? Nah.


Uhhh, TLO's zerg was better than his terran in beta and before he switched to terran full-time.

Yep, TLO was by no means "bad" with zerg.
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
October 24 2010 05:53 GMT
#238
On October 24 2010 14:51 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 14:49 MythicalMage wrote:
On October 24 2010 14:48 MadULol wrote:
On October 24 2010 14:33 Grond wrote:
This sounds like a person who's only knowledge of TLO's play is from the TLOwnage video. He showed exceptional creativity as Random all throughout the Beta. I guess you think Battle of the Timing Attacks is the epitome of strategy. I don't comprehend how you label creative play as stupid shit.


Doesn't take an astronaut to figure out TLO favors cheesy wins over drawn-out games. Aside from fast rushes and the roaches, zerg play is mainly unchanged from what is was vs terran; It's still a pain in the @#% to defend a fast marine+tank push, especially if you went FE.

People who were bad with zerg before the patch will still suck hard with zerg now. The roach range will help a little but in the long run ? Nah.

Aside from that, GREAT... We'll get EVEN MORE "rerolled terrans" who will play zerg the same way all of these failed players do in zvz : 1 base spam 30 roaches a-move, something that basically forces the opponent to do the same...
Watch his GSL games and tell me he favors "cheesy wins".

You are referring to the series where he Thor rushed and followed it up with cloaked banshees?

1/9 games does not a player make.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 24 2010 05:53 GMT
#239
On October 24 2010 14:51 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 14:49 MythicalMage wrote:
On October 24 2010 14:48 MadULol wrote:
On October 24 2010 14:33 Grond wrote:
This sounds like a person who's only knowledge of TLO's play is from the TLOwnage video. He showed exceptional creativity as Random all throughout the Beta. I guess you think Battle of the Timing Attacks is the epitome of strategy. I don't comprehend how you label creative play as stupid shit.


Doesn't take an astronaut to figure out TLO favors cheesy wins over drawn-out games. Aside from fast rushes and the roaches, zerg play is mainly unchanged from what is was vs terran; It's still a pain in the @#% to defend a fast marine+tank push, especially if you went FE.

People who were bad with zerg before the patch will still suck hard with zerg now. The roach range will help a little but in the long run ? Nah.

Aside from that, GREAT... We'll get EVEN MORE "rerolled terrans" who will play zerg the same way all of these failed players do in zvz : 1 base spam 30 roaches a-move, something that basically forces the opponent to do the same...
Watch his GSL games and tell me he favors "cheesy wins".

You are referring to the series where he Thor rushed and followed it up with cloaked banshees?


Obviously one game in a Bo3 is indicative of his style. Might as well call FruitDealer a cheesy onebaser for six pooling at the GSL1.
whatsgrackalackin420
Archduke
Profile Joined May 2010
United States119 Posts
October 24 2010 05:59 GMT
#240
On October 24 2010 02:22 MetalSlug wrote:
I dont care waht race he plays aslong as he keeps entertaining us with inovative builds.


You said it. It is a sad day for Terran fans though. NostraDario can't use nukes anymore!
"Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines."
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