EPTTLO Switches to Zerg - Page 10
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jstar
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stk01001
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majesticlamb
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On October 24 2010 12:51 tardygamer wrote: Well race doesn't win you tournaments. Players do. Fruitdealer winning GSL is the proof. Race hopping shows at least TLO has no confidence in himself no matter how you sugar coat it. Bull. He was a random player to begin with - he's comfortable playing multiple races (less comfortable with toss, though) race-switching is DIFFICULT, it takes an exceptional player to be able to swap and not take a huge hit to their performance (E.G. look at MorroW's switch to zerg - he dropped 600 points or so on the ladder!) When you're playing tournaments, you play to win. You don't pick race for loyalty or whatever, you pick the race that you can win with. | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
Funny how that works, eh? | ||
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Beneather
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MythicalMage
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On October 24 2010 12:53 SubtleArt wrote: lol morrow's not that good and idra has been quite vocal about it. thats absolutely stupid reasoning. You can't take 1 anomaly / outlier and say it's proof or racial balance. I saw Flash rape the shit out of Kal at WCG...TvP is easy right? Have you ever taken any course in school that deals with statistics in the slightest? "1 person won with an inferior race, therefore there is no racial imbalance" is grade 3 reasoning, come on. in the same GSL you speak of 2nd 3rd and 4th were all terrans who were definitely not as skilled as some of the people they left behind. Over the last few months so many crappy terran players (not to say all of them suck because thats not true, but a lot of them were) have been placing high because of the strength of their race. Race may not win you tourneys, but it sure as hell helps you place farther. I believe TLO changed because he liked zerg's style (usually his most creative plays have been with zerg) but he definitely played terran for such a long time because of their strength He isn't saying balace doesn't matter. It certainly effects the game. But he's saying that players matter a lot MORE. If TLO wasn't good with Terran he won't be with Zerg. If Cool wasn't good with Zerg he wouldn't be with Terran and so on. | ||
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MythicalMage
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On October 24 2010 13:11 kojinshugi wrote: He didn't switch to Zerg because it's suddenly the strongest race. He switched to Zerg because it's suddenly on par with the other races, and also because Terran is really constrained in all non-mirror matchups. Some people like doing the exact same shit in every game, where the only variables are timing. Some people don't. But it's cool that you felt you had to make a TL account just so you could bitch about TLO. If anything, he switched because Terran was suddenly the weakest, or rather the changes severely affected his play (the lack of the ability to apply early pressure, most notably.) | ||
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MythicalMage
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On October 24 2010 13:38 Beneather wrote: AWW TLO was my Terran Hero when I first saw him playing in the TL SC2 Open that was casted by Husky. I was his fan. Him switching to Zerg brings hope down to me. Have you guys noticed it has gotten harder to beat zerg. Like I play standard and don't ever proxy. But it has gotten, a lot harder. The TL SC2 Open was casted by Day[9], iirc, the HDH was casted by Husky. | ||
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MisterPuppy
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Mike941
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Adsee
United States221 Posts
On October 24 2010 13:41 MythicalMage wrote: If anything, he switched because Terran was suddenly the weakest, or rather the changes severely affected his play (the lack of the ability to apply early pressure, most notably.) According to what I read froim Heosat, TLO had been practicing Zerg for a month before the patch, the patch itself just accelerated the change. | ||
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MythicalMage
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On October 24 2010 13:46 Adsee wrote: According to what I read froim Heosat, TLO had been practicing Zerg for a month before the patch, the patch itself just accelerated the change. Was he planning on playing Zerg at Blizzcon I wonder? Or was that a snap decision based on the patch? | ||
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paltadase
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lofi01
Australia52 Posts
link above with TLO playing zerg :D muahaha go the swarm!! gona love seeing some TLO zerg play This is not to diss TLO but i love how all the #@$ terrans are switching races after zerg started winning after patch lol!! i bet you they were the same terrans that told all the zerg players to stop crying and learn how to play!!! P.S... wow theres alot more zvz on ladder :D | ||
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pieisamazing
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On October 24 2010 13:37 Nimic wrote: When Fruitdealer spoke of switching from Zerg before GSL, he was a hero, a rebel, someone who told it like it was - and it was an act which said something profoundly about the state of the Zerg balance. When TLO switches to Zerg, he's an opportunist, a profiteer, riding the success of zerg heroes like the aforementioned Fruitdealer. Funny how that works, eh? Because saying something and doing something are the same thing... | ||
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dukethegold
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 24 2010 13:39 MythicalMage wrote: He isn't saying balace doesn't matter. It certainly effects the game. But he's saying that players matter a lot MORE. If TLO wasn't good with Terran he won't be with Zerg. If Cool wasn't good with Zerg he wouldn't be with Terran and so on. The idea that only the player matters is ridiculous. What matters is the player's strengths working together with the race's strengths. Idra would probably make a very mediocre SC2 Terran on the tournament level, Artosis's stories notwithstanding. That doesn't mean Idra's bad, it means Idra's playstyle works best with Z, and he is near-godlike at that playstyle. TLO thrives on variation, his protoss was always poor because protoss has always been very rigid. Zerg now has variation, Terran no longer doesn't. It's always mech in TvZ and always MMM/vikings in TvP. Look at any TvP on Xel'naga Caverns, it's always the same two builds taking the same three bases that ends in a mexican standoff by the third base PF. | ||
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MythicalMage
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On October 24 2010 13:57 On_Slaught wrote: Because saying something and doing something are the same thing... Still seems backwards. And then a player like Morrow switches to, at the time, the underpowered race and gets totally flamed for it. I'm surprised there hasn't been a greater reaction to last shadows race change. | ||
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