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Heosat
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia481 Posts
October 24 2010 03:43 GMT
#161
On October 24 2010 12:38 JBright wrote:
I hope he does well whichever race he picks.

Now I wonder who TLAF-TL might pick up to strengthen its terran lineup. With TLO off to zerg, it's only Jinro left, right?


Rumour has it that Nazgul is switching to Terran. jk
Liquid ftw!
Horse != player. I'm from TLAF.
tardygamer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States20 Posts
October 24 2010 03:51 GMT
#162
Well race doesn't win you tournaments. Players do. Fruitdealer winning GSL is the proof. Race hopping shows at least TLO has no confidence in himself no matter how you sugar coat it.
I am so banned.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 04:01:56
October 24 2010 03:53 GMT
#163
On October 24 2010 02:20 Punkstar wrote:
Morrow and TLO are now zergs? lol im sure that if Idra has some emotions he would be grinning like crazy now ...

lol morrow's not that good and idra has been quite vocal about it.

On October 24 2010 12:51 tardygamer wrote:
Well race doesn't win you tournaments. Players do. Fruitdealer winning GSL is the proof. Race hopping shows at least TLO has no confidence in himself no matter how you sugar coat it.


thats absolutely stupid reasoning. You can't take 1 anomaly / outlier and say it's proof or racial balance. I saw Flash rape the shit out of Kal at WCG...TvP is easy right? Have you ever taken any course in school that deals with statistics in the slightest? "1 person won with an inferior race, therefore there is no racial imbalance" is grade 3 reasoning, come on. in the same GSL you speak of 2nd 3rd and 4th were all terrans who were definitely not as skilled as some of the people they left behind. Over the last few months so many crappy terran players (not to say all of them suck because thats not true, but a lot of them were) have been placing high because of the strength of their race. Race may not win you tourneys, but it sure as hell helps you place farther.

I believe TLO changed because he liked zerg's style (usually his most creative plays have been with zerg) but he definitely played terran for such a long time because of their strength
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
October 24 2010 03:55 GMT
#164
On October 24 2010 12:51 tardygamer wrote:
Well race doesn't win you tournaments. Players do. Fruitdealer winning GSL is the proof. Race hopping shows at least TLO has no confidence in himself no matter how you sugar coat it.

Or perhaps he has enough confidence that he's willing to change to an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT RACE with limited practice and then enter a tournament.
tardygamer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States20 Posts
October 24 2010 04:07 GMT
#165
On October 24 2010 12:53 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 02:20 Punkstar wrote:
Morrow and TLO are now zergs? lol im sure that if Idra has some emotions he would be grinning like crazy now ...

lol morrow's not that good and idra has been quite vocal about it.

Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 12:51 tardygamer wrote:
Well race doesn't win you tournaments. Players do. Fruitdealer winning GSL is the proof. Race hopping shows at least TLO has no confidence in himself no matter how you sugar coat it.


thats absolutely stupid reasoning. You can't take 1 anomaly / outlier and say it's proof or racial balance. I saw Flash rape the shit out of Kal at WCG...TvP is easy right? in the same GSL you speak of 2nd 3rd and 4th were all terrans who were definitely not as skilled as some of the people they left behind. Over the last few months so many crappy terran players (not to say all of them suck because thats not true, but a lot of them were) have been placing high because of the strength of their race


I am sure I am stupid. But then I guess you don't think TLO has Fruitdealer's potential to be an extraordinary player. Sure you can probably win a little more just to follow the race buffs. But you don't go far by doing so.
I am so banned.
tardygamer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States20 Posts
October 24 2010 04:10 GMT
#166
On October 24 2010 12:55 MythicalMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 12:51 tardygamer wrote:
Well race doesn't win you tournaments. Players do. Fruitdealer winning GSL is the proof. Race hopping shows at least TLO has no confidence in himself no matter how you sugar coat it.

Or perhaps he has enough confidence that he's willing to change to an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT RACE with limited practice and then enter a tournament.


I hope you are right. I'll be happy if he can go further in GSL 3 with zerg. Hell, I'll even settle if he can qualify again. Let's see.
I am so banned.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 24 2010 04:11 GMT
#167
On October 24 2010 13:07 tardygamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 12:53 SubtleArt wrote:
On October 24 2010 02:20 Punkstar wrote:
Morrow and TLO are now zergs? lol im sure that if Idra has some emotions he would be grinning like crazy now ...

lol morrow's not that good and idra has been quite vocal about it.

On October 24 2010 12:51 tardygamer wrote:
Well race doesn't win you tournaments. Players do. Fruitdealer winning GSL is the proof. Race hopping shows at least TLO has no confidence in himself no matter how you sugar coat it.


thats absolutely stupid reasoning. You can't take 1 anomaly / outlier and say it's proof or racial balance. I saw Flash rape the shit out of Kal at WCG...TvP is easy right? in the same GSL you speak of 2nd 3rd and 4th were all terrans who were definitely not as skilled as some of the people they left behind. Over the last few months so many crappy terran players (not to say all of them suck because thats not true, but a lot of them were) have been placing high because of the strength of their race


I am sure I am stupid. But then I guess you don't think TLO has Fruitdealer's potential to be an extraordinary player. Sure you can probably win a little more just to follow the race buffs. But you don't go far by doing so.


He didn't switch to Zerg because it's suddenly the strongest race.

He switched to Zerg because it's suddenly on par with the other races, and also because Terran is really constrained in all non-mirror matchups. Some people like doing the exact same shit in every game, where the only variables are timing. Some people don't.

But it's cool that you felt you had to make a TL account just so you could bitch about TLO.
whatsgrackalackin420
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
October 24 2010 04:12 GMT
#168
well, either way, he proved that he has chosen a less preferred race because of its strength at least once.

if zerg suits his playstyle best, then he only chose terran in the beginning because they were OP at that time.

but i still wish him gl. im just sad i wont see inspiring T play from him anymore.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
October 24 2010 04:13 GMT
#169
In the matches against Sen I saw him doing some wacky stuff with Tunneling Claws, so I'm looking forward to seeing him bring some creativity out in the Swarm.
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Qweasdzxc
Profile Joined July 2010
215 Posts
October 24 2010 04:15 GMT
#170
I agree that zerg better suits TLO's play-style... but we're not gonna have any more nukes this way = (
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
October 24 2010 04:15 GMT
#171
On October 24 2010 13:12 Black Gun wrote:
well, either way, he proved that he has chosen a less preferred race because of its strength at least once.

if zerg suits his playstyle best, then he only chose terran in the beginning because they were OP at that time.

but i still wish him gl. im just sad i wont see inspiring T play from him anymore.

completely missing the point
Heosat's saying that he liked Terran for its potential for early variation, and it doesn't have that as much any more. I don't know whether it's true, but your logic is just terrible.
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
October 24 2010 04:16 GMT
#172
him switching looks bad on his ability to break through that mental block of I'm doing badly and need to rethink my strategies' relearning a race requires so much more time and commitment than looking at why you lose and tweeking the timings of your builds and overall strategy. Nice to have another zerg but I can't say TLO or Morrow will come close to impressing me to the original zergs out there, should stick to terran and keep the fan base happy.
FlashDave.999 aka Star
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
October 24 2010 04:17 GMT
#173
wow cant wait to see TLO as Z
Nerf MMMT!!! Liquid`Ret Hwaiting!!!
universalwill
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States654 Posts
October 24 2010 04:18 GMT
#174
back in the beta, all of his best and most creative play was with zerg. he single-handedly changed the zerg metagame so much throughout the beta. he was responsible for mass queens in response to fast air, was one of the first to do ling/infestor builds, he brought the ultralisk into the spotlight, and after he said "hydralisks are useless off creep", nobody ever made a hydralisk again. i would have been surprised that he picked terran if it wasn't so insanely overpowered at the time.

now that zerg is more balanced, i think he feels safe switching races. terran just wasn't the race for him. he has not been doing very well at all since release. i still <3 u though, TLO
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
October 24 2010 04:22 GMT
#175
i do feel bad for TLO after the most recent patch. blizz made early game terran so one dimensional and boring that he can no longer play the way he enjoys.

it's good to try out different races, but i don't think the game has matured enough for progamers to fully commit to terran anyway. blizzard has already announced their patch jihad on them.
The Show of a Lifetime
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 24 2010 04:23 GMT
#176
I'll luv TLO w/e race he plays

it'd be awesome if there was a random player playing as random in tourneys at this point though
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 24 2010 04:23 GMT
#177
On October 24 2010 13:12 Black Gun wrote:
well, either way, he proved that he has chosen a less preferred race because of its strength at least once.

if zerg suits his playstyle best, then he only chose terran in the beginning because they were OP at that time.

but i still wish him gl. im just sad i wont see inspiring T play from him anymore.


You'd think he chose Terran because Zerg was constrained in the early game.

If I know anything about TLO it's that he doesn't want to use these supposedly OP cookie cutter strategies like 5 rax reaper.

Just look at the replay from Blizzcon, game 2 with Sen.

+ Show Spoiler +
He 10 pools into a really early Roach Burrow/movement build, and then moves into Infestors and Ultras. He actually got pretty well ahead of Sen, defeating a much bigger army with great fungals and micro and doing some really nice drone killing with burrowed infestors. The only problem was that he fell behind in upgrades and Sen's mass roach was so much more effective vs the Ultras thanks to the range buff. If he was still playing pre-buff Zerg he would have almost certainly won.
whatsgrackalackin420
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
October 24 2010 04:24 GMT
#178
On October 24 2010 02:53 Cyanocyst wrote:
Honestly i feel once hes practiced, TLO will be within the Top 5 Zerg players.

Fruitdealer, Sen, Idra, CheckPrime, TLO

I know it sounds crazy to rate him so high, but do you guys really think TLO's Zerg is worse than Zenio, The Wind, Slush, Dimaga, Artosis, Machine, Ret, Haypro, Ogs Cezenna, NesTea, Luffy,

Or am i just being too much of a Fan Boy?


You are a fanboy.

He definitely isn't better than Zenio/theWind/Dimaga at zerg for sure.
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Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
October 24 2010 04:24 GMT
#179
Wow this is unexpected but great news for me! Fruitdealer has inpired me in the practical and mechanical part of the game. Now TLO can inspire the creative part. <3
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 24 2010 04:24 GMT
#180
On October 24 2010 13:16 aka_star wrote:
him switching looks bad on his ability to break through that mental block of I'm doing badly and need to rethink my strategies' relearning a race requires so much more time and commitment than looking at why you lose and tweeking the timings of your builds and overall strategy. Nice to have another zerg but I can't say TLO or Morrow will come close to impressing me to the original zergs out there, should stick to terran and keep the fan base happy.


TLO fans don't think of him as Terran. They think of him as Random.
whatsgrackalackin420
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