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On October 24 2010 14:49 MythicalMage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 14:48 MadULol wrote:On October 24 2010 14:33 Grond wrote: This sounds like a person who's only knowledge of TLO's play is from the TLOwnage video. He showed exceptional creativity as Random all throughout the Beta. I guess you think Battle of the Timing Attacks is the epitome of strategy. I don't comprehend how you label creative play as stupid shit.
Doesn't take an astronaut to figure out TLO favors cheesy wins over drawn-out games. Aside from fast rushes and the roaches, zerg play is mainly unchanged from what is was vs terran; It's still a pain in the @#% to defend a fast marine+tank push, especially if you went FE. People who were bad with zerg before the patch will still suck hard with zerg now. The roach range will help a little but in the long run ? Nah. Aside from that, GREAT... We'll get EVEN MORE "rerolled terrans" who will play zerg the same way all of these failed players do in zvz : 1 base spam 30 roaches a-move, something that basically forces the opponent to do the same... Watch his GSL games and tell me he favors "cheesy wins".
TLO is definitely a macro player. So much so that Hypercheese saw fit to end the game early in the subsequent games, as all players who can't keep up macro-wise do.
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On October 24 2010 14:39 MythicalMage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 14:34 StarSense wrote: From: Liquid`Nazgul [ 13440 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: your topic Date: 10/24/10 12:35 yes and mlg dallas
----------------------------------------- Original Message From StarSense: Will he be switching in time for GSL3? OMFG OMFG OMFG YAY
Pretty sure it was stated that "TL would be coming in full force to mlg dallas" was already stated in maybe the SoTG podcast or some interview, I'm expecting Nony, Huk, Ret, Haypro, Jinro, TLO all to go.
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On October 24 2010 14:51 HollowLord wrote:
Uhhh, TLO's zerg was better than his terran in beta and before he switched to terran full-time.
Hey I never said HE sucked with Z, I was talking about "the general populace". Still I believe going full time terran was a balance oriented "freefrag decision". If you know how to play both races and forced to take a choice when ladder/points REALLY matter, pick the currently overpowered one.
Personally I think it's kind of a crass way of apprehending gaming but hey to each his own; As much as I dislike IdrA for instance you gotta give him points for sticking with zerg instead of taking the easy way and riding the imba train.
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TLO's zvz in the blizzcon tourny was reaalllyyy unorthodox. It was pretty entertaining to watch TLO fend of 40 roaches from Sen with 10 roaches 5 infestors + a few spine crawlers of his own, but his zvz mirrors, while against amazing zergs, seemed rather inconsistent.
Mirror matches are probably the hardest matchups in the game to get timings down for, since you're both often doing the same thing it comes down to tiny decisions and timings that make a much bigger impact than in other matchups. It's hard to judge the strength of his Zerg play so far from just those games, so here's to hoping that his other matchups are stronger and he gets those zvz builds and timings down
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On October 24 2010 15:01 MadULol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 14:51 HollowLord wrote:
Uhhh, TLO's zerg was better than his terran in beta and before he switched to terran full-time. Hey I never said HE sucked with Z, I was talking about "the general populace". Still I believe going full time terran was a balance oriented "freefrag decision". If you know how to play both races and forced to take a choice when ladder/points REALLY matter, pick the currently overpowered one. Personally I think it's kind of a crass way of apprehending gaming but hey to each his own; As much as I dislike IdrA for instance you gotta give him points for sticking with zerg instead of taking the easy way and riding the imba train. Well I don't think him switching full time was a move based on balance, just as I don't think him not playing Protoss later on was a decision based on balance. He just picks what he does best with at the time, regardless of anything else.
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Baah good for TLO. I guess I'll just look up to Boxer's games more. I've always enjoyed watching T being played well, they were too strong before (idk now, tbh I'm not good enough to pass judgement on balance) but it was interesting to see how some Ts played. ^^
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I love zerg, and I love TLO, but the timing just feels like he's jumping on the bandwagon. No hard feelings, it's just weird. Best of luck to him though; I'm sure he'll do well GSL season 3.
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naybe cuz he thinks z is more op than t now
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Wish he'd stick with random or one race rather than switching around.
I still remember his game vs tarson though were he kill 20 reapers with 2 consecutive fungal growth
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On October 24 2010 15:12 Leeoku wrote: naybe cuz he thinks z is more op than t now Can you legitimately blame him? He is a sponsored progamer. His duty, to his sponsors if not himself, is to do whatever it takes to get him the most success.
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On October 24 2010 15:12 crimsonsentinel wrote: I love zerg, and I love TLO, but the timing just feels like he's jumping on the bandwagon. No hard feelings, it's just weird. Best of luck to him though; I'm sure he'll do well GSL season 3. I think its half bandwagon, half going home. Remember, when he stopped playing random he said "I play Z and T" but he always played T because he wanted to be competitive. Now that Z is solid, he can play something he likes and be competitive.
Edit: Also, I plan to be a creepy fanboy and stalk him in Dallas
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So many misunderstood posts. Do you guys actually read the whole thread before posting?
I've always been a huge fan of TLO's playstyle, whether you qualify it as experiments or risky, I find it entertaining and that is what keeps me up at night, hoping to get a glimpse of his games.
So whatever the reason he's switching race, I'll support it nonetheless.
Plus, the games he did lose in GSL weren't that bad (errors that can be easily corrected). Take Loner for example, the first game he played in GSL, he lost badly to a 4 Gate on Scrap Station. We all thought he was done for the tournament, and now he might be a favorite.
That's my two cents.
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That´s cool news. I always enjoyed in his zerg play during beta.
I think there's definitely some silly exaggerating going on with the ease/benefits of switching races, though.
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slightly dissappointed in TLO for going with the FotM.
but its TLO, hes a good player either way so ill reserve my judgement for the time being.
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^^ Agreed. TLO is not switching because of an OP race. His play style is more suited to one race.
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TLO is redic, the innovation will be with terrain. He will answer Raynors call in the future I bet.
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I have no problems with him going for Zerg, play to win! Here's to hoping TLO giving us more sweet victories in GSL3!
TLO Hwaiting!!!!!
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so he already played a lot of Zerg before GSL 2? Or did he only train his Terran then?
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On October 24 2010 02:29 1Eris1 wrote: this is actually kind of sad because he was one of the most innovative terrans = / no room for innovation in terran, i think he lost a lot of games because he was trying to be innovative rather than executing proven builds perfectly
zerg has a little more room to win while being innovative somewhat, so i look forward to seeing what he can do with this race
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I think this is an awesome move for TLO. I am super excited to see all his games!
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