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Korea (South)17174 Posts
I woke up with a wicked hangover at the OGS-TL house wondering why the fuck I was even there.
The day previous to that I originally told spunky come to seoul and lets go out real style, but he said, "fuck tomorrow we have gomtv teamleague finals let's just go out here and then tomorrow after we own everything go back to seoul and celebrate victorious"
(the OGS-TL house is in Bu-cheon on the border of Incheon which is very close to Mok-dong where the GOMtv studios is located, but a 1 hr drive to seoul)
I got in a cab and went there and when I arrived it was already around 12:30 AM. Everyone on the team was still practicing hardcore which is unusual that late as OGS-TL has very comfortable productive practice hours.
TheWind looked at me like WTF? (he knows i come to lead people into the night but they had teamleague the next day so that was impossible) then said "OH HI DAN!"
I looked at everyone then at my watch then a confused look to TheWind I asked him "WTF?"
with a chuckle (he knows going out that late in incheon which is the country side of seoul is only bad news LOL) he replied "we gotta win!"
Me and spunky decided to just have a simple night and drink a bit at a bar then rest up and chill to go watch teamleague the next day.
We drank a bottle at some random bar, I learned a few tricks (sorry, sensitive information cannot release it now), then we called it an early night.
Then back at the OGS-TL sookso for some reason decided to drink 2 huge bottles of beer with TheWind while watching some BS korean movie because I couldn't sleep (hence the wicked hangover beer on top of vodka ugh).
I got woken up at around 3:30 PM with people telling me to get fucking ready for the finals. Thankfully the cooking/cleaning ajuma they have employed at their house is the ultimate cook. I've lived in Korea almost 7 years now and recycled through countless amounts of these ajumas and this lady should be a master chef at a 5 star restaurant. The best part is all you have to say is "Bae go pa" which means "hungry" in korean then she will prepare it, then after you're done you just say "Jal mokossimnida" which means "I ate well" and she'll clean it. Easy life. Except I was still in pain.
I couldn't decide wtf I wanted to do so I just lazy'd around. Then everybody left and before leaving, MinChul told me "Dan Hyung u were snoring like crazy last night I couldn't sleep!!!" I apologized.
Despite the food my hangover was fking terrible, I had barely slept 4 hours because my sleep schedule is screwed up. I then made my mind up to fk the teamleague finals and just stay there and sleep and maybe watch online. Unfortunately for me some computer guys were there fixing some internet problems so TheWind had to stay behind. I screwed around not wanting to go but then TheWind told me "when these guys finish lets go together in an hour!"
I'm not a man to say no to honest requests so, "ok"
Me and Thewind took a cab there and the matches were just starting. We were in some backstage teamroom with a TV that displayed the match live on it (fuck sitting in the metal chairstands next to the stage when u can relax in nice chairs and use another one as a legstand in a backroom with the lights off). Zenio lost his first game. This was particularly funny for me because he's one of the top OGS-TL players in practice but he keeps screwing up in real games. After his loss he left the main area and came into the room I was sitting.
I was alone in that room. He came in and said nothing. I said nothing. Words weren't necessary. I felt some insane negative "FUCK" energy. I found it cute and succeeded at trying not to laugh. I could have attempted to comfort him but I've been there in that same situation (like when I lost wcg usa despite being in korea for a few months). Theres nothing to say really lol.
Then someone from OGS came into the room and made Zenio come back out to the booth because despite losing he still has to sit with the team. I found that hilarious as fuck but at the same time I was dying tired. I got comfortable and passed out at that point.
Suddenly the light got turned on and the prime team came in along with my old friend steve yea who has had success in war3/poker and now is a sc2 player in prime. It was now 1-3 with Werra in the lead and OGS needed a 3-kill to win it.
OGSTL-MC (Min Chul) was on the TV doing this pregame ceremony acting like a rockstar/wrestler basically telling the other guy he's going to fking rape him.
anypro/check/steveyea were all saying 'what the fuck how can he do that before his match? if he loses he'll look like a fucking idiot!'
I guess they didn't know that that MinChul's nickname in the korean community for SC1 was "suicide toss." In sc1 before one of his matches he went up to the camera and took his index finger and did the neck slice motion. Then he lost looking like a complete fool. Hence the term suicide toss was coined.
I knew this, but at the same time, TLO/Jinro had been telling me how good he is, plus in all my time spent at the OGS house I only saw him lose once. I told steve yea: "Okay let's bet. I'll give you 6-1 odds on 10$ I got MinChul. So if Minchul wins I get 10$ and if the werra guy wins u get 60."
He snap called. Thank you easy 10$ as Minchul steamrolled his opponent.
Game 2: "Okay I'll give you 7-1 this time." "Call"
Game 2 if you saw it MinChul opted not to get collusus range and all the prime guys were saying 'GG'
I almost got scared for a second then all the sudden MinChul just walked over the guy (apparently the units group better together and walk together over force fields (one group for collosus/unit and one group for immortal to target their collusus) + the money advantage from not having to invest 200/200 into it so it was good in that situation). Thank you.
I told steve not to fuck with a professional as he paid me 10$ more. Then I offered him 10-1 on the last game. He declined and everyone laughed.
As the suicide toss completed the triple kill I walked out to the main stage area and I could see the glee on every single OGS members' faces in person.
I was overwhelmed with memories. Not that we won very often when I was on hexatron: but the few days we did; it's a feeling that cannot be compared to anything. The best meal of your life, the best sex of your life, making alot of $....
Nothing can compare to that feeling. That feeling of ownage. That feeling of "we did it."
I saw MinChul and jokingly told him I was the reason he won: "If it weren't for me snoring you wouldn't have been able to wake up early and think about all your strategies today!!!!! BTW Thx for the 20$ u won me LOL"
I high fived everyone and they were soon after swarmed by press and fan girls. I stood on the outskirts looking at them proud as hell as they held up their check and trophy, these young boys with Nada on their team standing next to them. I haven't felt such a new fresh feeling in years. I was no longer hungover. I was just happy.
They had a team dinner afterwards and I came a bit late cause I had to do some stuff. I sat down at the far side of a very long table next to TLO and Haypro. Jinro was in the middle mingling with the koreans just like he was one of their very own. I saw everyone overjoyed, talking shit to eachother, clanging soju glasses, devouring good meat, as spunky handed out checks containing almost all 3k of the prize money split up amongst to the players. Thats what progaming is really about. (and P.s. the next day Zenio 7-0 all killed his round 1 of the new team league getting the monkey off his back. He's happy now LOL)
That being said there was no reason that night to go back to Seoul and drink like we always have. Tonight was the real night with the team. We realized there was no reason to go anywhere, and drank the night away in incheon.
Though I've talked about the possibilities with many people and the fact that I'll never be a competitive player again: at that very moment I realized: I want back in. Maybe not as a player. But I will be back.
The gamer pride can never be corrupted.
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o dam does this mean rekrul is back?
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Really nice read, personal and interesting, thanks alot!
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United States7481 Posts
thanks for reading, almost makes me feel like i was there. gonna have to go check out the vods for the ceremony ^^
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Heartwarming story by the one and only Rekrul! I can't wait to see you help out the esports scene in the future. Maybe try commentating?
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brilliant read
he knows i come to lead people into the night
LOL that cracked me up for ages.
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gogo Rekul becomes a progamer again. We need someone to record this on video and you'll be Hyung Joon v2.0 :D
The post was very nice to read and I learned a few things from it.
The 2 most important things I know is
1. If you ever get to hang out with Rekrul, DO NOT SLEEP NEAR HIM :D
2. Never bet against Rekrul or you'll lose too much money TT instead bet with him.
More plz :d
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There's nothing like winning as a team. That and your topics are always awesome rek! Thanks
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United States903 Posts
Oh man, I hope that means you're going to come back to the scene! The first time I ever heard of you was when you had your matches against Artosis.
Excellent read, I love your style of expressing yourself.
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United States7481 Posts
lol rekrul oldboy would be almost as sweet as kang min
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Holy fuck...Artosis vs Rekrul grudematches again?
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WAHAHAHAHA Rekrul come ... to the light side ... where optimism and can-do spirit reign supreme ...
GG dude.
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Ahahaha the part with TheWind made me crack up. Good read and I hope you give us some more back stories of the SC2 proscene. Thanks!
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I wish all TL members would post stories like this. Nice read.
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(and P.s. the next day Zenio 7-0 all killed his round 1 of the new team league getting the monkey off his back. He's happy now LOL)
whoa new team league?
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Wow MinChul..what a baller
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isnt that supposed to be a blog
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Awsome read, keep em coming 
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Damn, I guess everyone has/is waiting for that one time in their life that you can just go "This beats EVERYTHING". Sounds pretty awesome to have experienced that. Great insight to how Progamers treat each other, etc.
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What a great read. and lol, suicide toss
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Suicide Toss ftmothafuckinw. So Rek, any idea as to what you would come back as? Manager, sponsor? :O
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Ahh its back, great read cant wait for more haha.
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Fantastic write up! Would love to see more from you Rek!
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I believe progammers are extremely intelligent and motivated individuals. The author of this post writes like a student in 3rd grade, uses the "fuck" word for no reason, and lives an unproductive life like a useless drunkard. I am not sure why he has been living with the progamers. This guy gives progamming a bad taste.
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haha, nice. Thanks for sharing =]
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On October 18 2010 07:42 tardygamer wrote:
I believe programmers are extremely intelligent and motivated individuals. The author of this post writes like a student in 3rd grade, uses the "fuck" word for no reason, and lives an unproductive life like a useless drunkard. I am sure why he has been living with the programmers. This guy gives programming a bad taste.
troll or by programming you mean progaming?
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Go home and become a progammer man.
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Haha, fun read Rekrul Reading stuff like this just makes me unnaturally happy.
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Good read dude, I always love your blog/posts about the pro-gaming life in Korea!
Please keep them coming, and you'll have fans if you start up again ^^
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On October 18 2010 07:47 valaki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 07:42 tardygamer wrote:
I believe programmers are extremely intelligent and motivated individuals. The author of this post writes like a student in 3rd grade, uses the "fuck" word for no reason, and lives an unproductive life like a useless drunkard. I am sure why he has been living with the programmers. This guy gives programming a bad taste.
troll or by programming you mean progaming?
He edited out the r's, but the double m's still remain.
This seems like it should be a blog, but it's still a nice read. As a blog, a lot of people probably wouldn't have read it.
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On October 18 2010 07:56 vica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 07:47 valaki wrote:On October 18 2010 07:42 tardygamer wrote:
I believe programmers are extremely intelligent and motivated individuals. The author of this post writes like a student in 3rd grade, uses the "fuck" word for no reason, and lives an unproductive life like a useless drunkard. I am sure why he has been living with the programmers. This guy gives programming a bad taste.
troll or by programming you mean progaming? He edited out the r's, but the double m's still remain. This seems like it should be a blog, but it's still a nice read. As a blog, a lot of people probably wouldn't have read it.
Anyone would read a Rekrul blog.
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If Rekrul wasn't a drunk millionaire poker player he could be a writer!
Pretty amazing read Always look forward to the Rekrul posts.
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If rekrul does anything involved with esports my erections (no homo) won't cease.
Great read, unsurprisingly.
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On October 18 2010 07:42 tardygamer wrote:
I believe progammers are extremely intelligent and motivated individuals. The author of this post writes like a student in 3rd grade, uses the "fuck" word for no reason, and lives an unproductive life like a useless drunkard. I am not sure why he has been living with the progamers. This guy gives progamming a bad taste.
That was pretty funny. You do know that is mother fucking rekrul right?
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Awesome NOW im pumped for GSL2 tomorrow.
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This read really made my day : ) ty, gamer pride ftw!
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rekrul you should start a foreigner team! go recruit select (already coming to korea for gsl3) and some top foreigners and give it a shot.
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As usual, a Rekrul thread delivers.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
yes please come back rekrul i miss you
gallavanting about the globe leaves u very little time for fakesteve 
get a us sc2 account so i can slaughter you on account of im easily better than u at sc2 right now
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thx for the great read Rekrul. Its interesting to see games from the other side
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Rekrul's stories are always great reads. I'd love to see you back in the progaming scene in some way.
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How about you get your ban hammer back first and then we'll talk D;
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Rekrul sponsoring the OGSTL House? I hope so ;] Great read <3
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Rekrul is back.
Shut. Everything. Down.
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100$ says Rekrul makes his own progaming team and buys (yep I said it) players and creates the best team. Team Rekrul.
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Ahh so this is what the best Starcraft players in the entire world do with their spare time, even when there is no spare time.
nice story, should post more.
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by the way what does elky think about that topic
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I love the earnest emotions that surface at the end of your debaucherous tales
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A mothership almost like a arbiter. I bet you can come back as a player! I love too see old players play
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Good read, but I was hoping for some juicy gossip.
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sick read rek. if you come back i hope you make smuft and giyom play more as well!! go go practice
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^this, does Jinro wear fantomen-underwear?
Great read, thanks for sharing.
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Rekrul's Oldboy 
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
opened this thread with dread, hoping it wasn't about training house horror stories and why sc2 is doomed. i'm really glad what i read matched what i imagined it was like.
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Rekrul threads are always great. ^__^
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I was feeling shitty when I opened this up. Great stuff man.
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This is the first thread I've ever read from rekrul that doesn't consist of
A ) A pessimistic approach to x subject
B ) Trash talking
C ) Straight up trolling
I'm impressed I gotta say
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United States7166 Posts
what a glorious story, i am envious
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Well Rek, good luck on whatever crazy shit you want to be doing with oGs-TL man.
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Baa?21242 Posts
That was a cool story
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Great story, Rekrul please start a team!!
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REKRUL
IS
BACK
MOTHERFUCKERS
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Really nice read, thanks
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Netherlands1231 Posts
 Amazing read! Especially the suicide toss anecdote, shit's hilarious :D
Imagine someone like FBH doing a preemptive dance and losing afterwards That's why you keep your antics till after the game.
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Rekrul damn right 8D
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a rekrul story. my day is complete!
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a rek thread omggggggggggg ITS BEEN SO LONG >___<
great read ilu rek
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thanks for the write-up, but wasn''t iron playing toss-mirror in his first and third match, while he faced some terran second game?
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Man I loved the read. I cracked up so hard on the "baegopah (Im hungry)" part as I don't even know u but can picture u saying that lol
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Nice read. Are you going to create/sponsor your own team now that you got your gamer bug back
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Russian Federation124 Posts
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Rekrul <3 Great read, hope to see you back in.
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Rekrul... your posts are awesome =D
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Such awesome read, especially the 3k check part!
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this was a great read. you don't even play sc2 and i am already a fan.
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All I can say man is:
GL
HF
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Awesome post, thanks for the read!
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best non-staff writer not named baller.
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Wtf what league are we even talking about...
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On October 18 2010 08:29 NuKedUFirst wrote:
100$ says Rekrul makes his own progaming team and buys (yep I said it) players and creates the best team. Team Rekrul.
He'd make you lose this deal, there's money involved and he can have a win-win situation.
Awesome read Rekrul, with lack of blogs to read from the TL members this was just <3
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Your blogs are always enjoyable for that insight into the pro SC scene, hope to hear more updates in the future!
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I was oGs's fan before, but now I like them more lolz.
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This thread is not getting enough love almost of the 1st page of sc2 already. Nice story, and Rekrul announced that "he'll be back" whatever that means (probably means something awesome is about to happen).
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Amazing story, always a joy reading your posts. Good luck in the industry, whatever you end up doing
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On October 18 2010 13:50 GTR wrote:
best non-staff writer not named baller.
that !
thx for the story
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You should give up all this poker malarkey and start writing full time. You always have the best stories/insight/knowledge. Even though you broke my heart breaking the match fixing story, I always believed, deep down, that you were right.
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Great thread man, all I can say. Really nice to get some personality on the oGs guys. Sounds like a great crew.
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Nice writeup! Expressing the feelings very well there!
but, Rekrul in a game without Lurkers?
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Very nice look into the new scene that's forming, hopefully things keep growing and growing!
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I'm getting some deja vu...
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hahaha love your stories man
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Awesome read. After reading about a lot of the bad conditions for progamers in Korea (largely written by you yourself Rekrul) it's really nice to know that the team our TL boys are on is such a nice group of guys in a nice situation with decent training hours. I'm sure it's awesome for the TL guys having someone else that speaks English around too.
Definitely look forward to more stuff like this if you choose to write more.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On October 18 2010 08:36 FireBlast! wrote:
I love the earnest emotions that surface at the end of your debaucherous tales
lol well put
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I miss inertia, I miss you!
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Rekrul thread always worth reading; thanks for more progaming insight/stories.
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Great read. I've never seen you play, but after reading this I'm a fan of you as a writer. I hope you find a new outlet for your programing wants.
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Thanks for the great read, rek!
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What a feel good story. It's nice learning more about the oGs guys. I really have enjoyed rooting for them and this makes me like them even more. Pretty awesome to know that these are the guys TL is living with.
Thank your for sharing.
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brilliant
this needs front page
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Dude. That was an amazing read.
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Haha sounds like great fun
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rekrul you are a sick hero and I love reading all of your stories, please quit poker and become an sc2 progamer asap.
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On October 18 2010 07:01 Rekrul wrote:
I woke up with a wicked hangover at the OGS-TL house wondering why the fuck I was even there.
I started to giggle just when started reading it. Very nice!
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nice story and read. Give us mooooaaaar ! : )
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Fucking sweet. Always nice to hear from someone on the inside.
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Germany1287 Posts
On October 18 2010 07:27 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +(and P.s. the next day Zenio 7-0 all killed his round 1 of the new team league whoa new team league?
Tell us more about this league!?! Pleeeease?
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Great read, kinda new here so not up to speed with your history but sounds like a pretty chill guy.
And the insights into the players life is really great.
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Gamer pride - Like diamonds, but better.
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Singapore66155 Posts
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MightyAtom and Rekrul to form Team PokerStars SC2. Let's do it.
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Always an enjoyable read Rekrul. Maybe getting involved with the scene again could mean pushing for the return of the lurker
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SUICIDE TOSS HWAITIN! Awesome read...Can I has join you in Korea? Soon maybe <3
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lol - Jal mokossimnida ^_^ nice read~
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Rekrul you need to write an autobiography lol, your storytelling is fucking amazing.
Another fucking baller read, i'd give it 5 stars if it were in blogs but this is beyond a blog for sure.
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Amazing read. I envy you being in the middle of such awesome gaming environment.
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Please keep writing these Rek.
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haha was a good read. i dont usually read blogs but this was good and got me hooked. very nice ~
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Would be awesome to see you more on the scene again
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great great read Living the dream Rekrul.
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Sounds like a fun night and all, but I'm curious as to why people choose this as a profession?
I realize this can be interpreted as a troll post, but I am genuinely curious...so I'll try to be as PC as possible because it is not my intent. I have been wondering this for some time.
I relate the decision most similarly to that of an aspiring professional football player. If you take a look at my name, champ24, you may realize I am an avid football fan. Champ Bailey is my favorite player, even though he is past his prime. However, the situation applies to him as well. What do you do after your short career is done? Most professional NFL athletes last 2-3 years in the NFL before they are done. They have then blown their college experience by taking the easiest major possible, and have no real life experience beyond football...which is pointless in 99.99% of professions.
A Denver Bronco, yes, my team even though they suck, was cut from the team a few years ago. The broncos ran into RB injury problems, so they called the dude back to start in the middle of the season. The guy was selling cell phones at the mall. WTF? He probably made a killing for 3 years or so, but now makes minimum wage pitching Sprint contracts to customers. How could you not think about the transition after your career is over?
The same applies to progaming. You have a short career span of playing video games, screwing hot chicks, going to the bars with your buddies for a few years, and then what? It's not like putting "I'm an expert at the 15 nexus FE" or the "polt timing attack" on your resume is going to land you a dream job that can support a family. It may sound down the road kiddos, but odds are you will have a ball and chain. And she's likely not goin to enjoy you throwing down hours upon hours of gaming every day. My video games turn off when the better half gets home from work, even though I love them. The gaming days are over when I have little munchkins running around.
But that aside, the best example I can think of is mr. Day9 himself. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. If I saw him in the bar the drinks would be on me the whole night. He's hilarious. But I shiver every time he mentions that he made his rent for the month, and how he spends 6 hours a day reviewing funday monday videos. I get the feeling he is a crazy smart guy, but I get the impression he is missing out on life. I'm sure his gaming experience was fun and all, but would a different path have been better?
Like I said, I'm a fan of football but I think choosing it as a career is a terrible idea. I apply the same philosophy to that of pro-gaming. It may sound like this epic ride for a few years, but life is a lot longer than that. And looking at the general consensus of this thread, most people are jealous of it. I don't see it...so why?
TLDR-why do you want to be a pro gamer, and what do you plan to do after the gig is up?
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Day9 has a bachelors from HMC for math, and is getting/got his masters at USC. I think he'll be okay.
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On October 18 2010 09:03 intrigue wrote:
opened this thread with dread, hoping it wasn't about training house horror stories and why sc2 is doomed. i'm really glad what i read matched what i imagined it was like.
i'll sign that.
I was thinking "gom about to drop sc2 " or something similar.
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On October 20 2010 00:36 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Day9 has a bachelors from HMC for math, and is getting/got his masters at USC. I think he'll be okay.
I stand corrected. If he has a viable transition then he's not the best example. But my point overall remains.
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On October 20 2010 00:28 Champ24 wrote:
Sounds like a fun night and all, but I'm curious as to why people choose this as a profession?
I realize this can be interpreted as a troll post, but I am genuinely curious...so I'll try to be as PC as possible because it is not my intent. I have been wondering this for some time.
I relate the decision most similarly to that of an aspiring professional football player. If you take a look at my name, champ24, you may realize I am an avid football fan. Champ Bailey is my favorite player, even though he is past his prime. However, the situation applies to him as well. What do you do after your short career is done? Most professional NFL athletes last 2-3 years in the NFL before they are done. They have then blown their college experience by taking the easiest major possible, and have no real life experience beyond football...which is pointless in 99.99% of professions.
A Denver Bronco, yes, my team even though they suck, was cut from the team a few years ago. The broncos ran into RB injury problems, so they called the dude back to start in the middle of the season. The guy was selling cell phones at the mall. WTF? He probably made a killing for 3 years or so, but now makes minimum wage pitching Sprint contracts to customers. How could you not think about the transition after your career is over?
The same applies to progaming. You have a short career span of playing video games, screwing hot chicks, going to the bars with your buddies for a few years, and then what? It's not like putting "I'm an expert at the 15 nexus FE" or the "polt timing attack" on your resume is going to land you a dream job that can support a family. It may sound down the road kiddos, but odds are you will have a ball and chain. And she's likely not goin to enjoy you throwing down hours upon hours of gaming every day. My video games turn off when the better half gets home from work, even though I love them. The gaming days are over when I have little munchkins running around.
But that aside, the best example I can think of is mr. Day9 himself. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. If I saw him in the bar the drinks would be on me the whole night. He's hilarious. But I shiver every time he mentions that he made his rent for the month, and how he spends 6 hours a day reviewing funday monday videos. I get the feeling he is a crazy smart guy, but I get the impression he is missing out on life. I'm sure his gaming experience was fun and all, but would a different path have been better?
Like I said, I'm a fan of football but I think choosing it as a career is a terrible idea. I apply the same philosophy to that of pro-gaming. It may sound like this epic ride for a few years, but life is a lot longer than that. And looking at the general consensus of this thread, most people are jealous of it. I don't see it...so why?
TLDR-why do you want to be a pro gamer, and what do you plan to do after the gig is up?
And what do you propose ? Getting the job earning the most possible, therefore dedicating your life to it and not experiencing all the things you would have loved to live ? Some people are fine with this and love living this way, but that's also not the case for a lot of people,
I'm not sure if you ask this question from a general point of view, but if people choose this profession that's because that's what they want to do lol, and what makes them happy, which is I should remind you, the most important thing, earning money from your passion is priceless, even if it means you won't have the same income you'dd have by studying/working by today's standards.
You're supposed to work to live, not the contrary.
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On October 20 2010 01:12 cArn- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 00:28 Champ24 wrote:
Sounds like a fun night and all, but I'm curious as to why people choose this as a profession?
I realize this can be interpreted as a troll post, but I am genuinely curious...so I'll try to be as PC as possible because it is not my intent. I have been wondering this for some time.
I relate the decision most similarly to that of an aspiring professional football player. If you take a look at my name, champ24, you may realize I am an avid football fan. Champ Bailey is my favorite player, even though he is past his prime. However, the situation applies to him as well. What do you do after your short career is done? Most professional NFL athletes last 2-3 years in the NFL before they are done. They have then blown their college experience by taking the easiest major possible, and have no real life experience beyond football...which is pointless in 99.99% of professions.
A Denver Bronco, yes, my team even though they suck, was cut from the team a few years ago. The broncos ran into RB injury problems, so they called the dude back to start in the middle of the season. The guy was selling cell phones at the mall. WTF? He probably made a killing for 3 years or so, but now makes minimum wage pitching Sprint contracts to customers. How could you not think about the transition after your career is over?
The same applies to progaming. You have a short career span of playing video games, screwing hot chicks, going to the bars with your buddies for a few years, and then what? It's not like putting "I'm an expert at the 15 nexus FE" or the "polt timing attack" on your resume is going to land you a dream job that can support a family. It may sound down the road kiddos, but odds are you will have a ball and chain. And she's likely not goin to enjoy you throwing down hours upon hours of gaming every day. My video games turn off when the better half gets home from work, even though I love them. The gaming days are over when I have little munchkins running around.
But that aside, the best example I can think of is mr. Day9 himself. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. If I saw him in the bar the drinks would be on me the whole night. He's hilarious. But I shiver every time he mentions that he made his rent for the month, and how he spends 6 hours a day reviewing funday monday videos. I get the feeling he is a crazy smart guy, but I get the impression he is missing out on life. I'm sure his gaming experience was fun and all, but would a different path have been better?
Like I said, I'm a fan of football but I think choosing it as a career is a terrible idea. I apply the same philosophy to that of pro-gaming. It may sound like this epic ride for a few years, but life is a lot longer than that. And looking at the general consensus of this thread, most people are jealous of it. I don't see it...so why?
TLDR-why do you want to be a pro gamer, and what do you plan to do after the gig is up? And what do you propose ? Getting the job earning the most possible, therefore dedicating your life to it and not experiencing all the things you would have loved to live ? Some people are fine with this and love living this way, but that's also not the case for a lot of people, I'm not sure if you ask this question from a general point of view, but if people choose this profession that's because that's what they want to do lol, and what makes them happy, which is I should remind you, the most important thing, earning money from your passion is priceless, even if it means you won't have the same income you'dd have by studying/working by today's standards. You're supposed to work to live, not the contrary.
Well, if you're Rekrul, you become a professional poker player and make shit tons of cash.
There's a reason the progamers are admired: it's because they're able to dedicate themselves to a game without the expectation of any real reward (other than, maybe, being able to make a living off of it, very few get rich off of it) because they love the game and competition so much.
And uh, most progamers don't get to go to bars and screw chicks too often.
It's the same reason musicians practice 8+ hours a day. Not for any major payoff (if you're being realistic, very few musicians get rich or famous, though many do make a decent living), but because they love it. The same amount of energy expended elsewhere might earn them more money, but they have no desire to focus their efforts on anything else.
EDIT: Oh, and oops, I agree with this carn fellow.
DOUBLE EDIT: Have you seen Day9 Daily #100? It explains pretty well why some people dedicate their lives to gaming. Gaming's more than just the game itself, it's also everyone involved.
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On October 19 2010 23:19 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Rekrul you need to write an autobiography lol, your storytelling is fucking amazing.
Another fucking baller read, i'd give it 5 stars if it were in blogs but this is beyond a blog for sure.
He basically has, look him up on the SCBW liquipedia and it has a very long GREAT read covering from when it was a dream of his in high school till about a year and a half ago.
I just got done reading it, it's an amazingly interesting and well written bio.
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As always, rekrul delivers
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Or go to liquidpoker and he's still got his blog on the front page
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Rekrul to oGs-TL That team will be a god lineup if you start playing again dan
...I guess they could add boxer too.
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Oh wow, great read. I got to say, the oGs-TL house and environment sounds really nice. Good to hear you want back in. Good luck.
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I'm sorry to sound ignorant, but could someone please tell me in what circumstances this even happened? what tournament is this? is this a new team league? help please I'm very confused cause I thought at first he was talking about GSL1....
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super blog 
i'm gonna finish this wonderful glass of aberlour now.
cheers alcoholic pgm
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excellent read Rek, keep us posted on your future in progaming!
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On October 20 2010 00:28 Champ24 wrote:
Sounds like a fun night and all, but I'm curious as to why people choose this as a profession?
I realize this can be interpreted as a troll post, but I am genuinely curious...so I'll try to be as PC as possible because it is not my intent. I have been wondering this for some time.
I relate the decision most similarly to that of an aspiring professional football player. If you take a look at my name, champ24, you may realize I am an avid football fan. Champ Bailey is my favorite player, even though he is past his prime. However, the situation applies to him as well. What do you do after your short career is done? Most professional NFL athletes last 2-3 years in the NFL before they are done. They have then blown their college experience by taking the easiest major possible, and have no real life experience beyond football...which is pointless in 99.99% of professions.
A Denver Bronco, yes, my team even though they suck, was cut from the team a few years ago. The broncos ran into RB injury problems, so they called the dude back to start in the middle of the season. The guy was selling cell phones at the mall. WTF? He probably made a killing for 3 years or so, but now makes minimum wage pitching Sprint contracts to customers. How could you not think about the transition after your career is over?
The same applies to progaming. You have a short career span of playing video games, screwing hot chicks, going to the bars with your buddies for a few years, and then what? It's not like putting "I'm an expert at the 15 nexus FE" or the "polt timing attack" on your resume is going to land you a dream job that can support a family. It may sound down the road kiddos, but odds are you will have a ball and chain. And she's likely not goin to enjoy you throwing down hours upon hours of gaming every day. My video games turn off when the better half gets home from work, even though I love them. The gaming days are over when I have little munchkins running around.
But that aside, the best example I can think of is mr. Day9 himself. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. If I saw him in the bar the drinks would be on me the whole night. He's hilarious. But I shiver every time he mentions that he made his rent for the month, and how he spends 6 hours a day reviewing funday monday videos. I get the feeling he is a crazy smart guy, but I get the impression he is missing out on life. I'm sure his gaming experience was fun and all, but would a different path have been better?
Like I said, I'm a fan of football but I think choosing it as a career is a terrible idea. I apply the same philosophy to that of pro-gaming. It may sound like this epic ride for a few years, but life is a lot longer than that. And looking at the general consensus of this thread, most people are jealous of it. I don't see it...so why?
TLDR-why do you want to be a pro gamer, and what do you plan to do after the gig is up?
It's really simple, people choose that lifestyle because they want to. You seem like the kind of person that feels obligated to follow the societal standards; build your career, get married, have kids ... die. And maybe that's exactly what you wanted to do with your life.
It's just sad to me that there are so many people that don't do what they want with their life because they are trying to fulfill some perceived purpose in life. They spend their youth learning their asses off so they can work 9 to 5 shifts for the rest of their lifes climbing the ceremonial ladder and accumulating money that they'll invest in botoxing their face when they're old, retired and unable to do the things they wanted to do in the first place.
These progamers have the balls to do what they wanted with their life instead of becoming a lawyer like dad wanted. They'll probably have good memories of these days for the rest of their lives while the guys working "an honest job" are busy working towards some future happiness (which may or may not come).
In short, life is fucking short ... you can't worry all the time about what other people think. There's no such thing as good or right things to do with your life and no-one's going to get punished or rewarded after they die. People should stop thinking that what 99% of the other people are doing must be the "good way".
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{88}lurker /cheer
lurker vs 4aiur~stings? or E}{iler~Guns!
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Rekrul oldboy go!!!
Nice read!!!
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On October 20 2010 03:27 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 00:28 Champ24 wrote:
Sounds like a fun night and all, but I'm curious as to why people choose this as a profession?
I realize this can be interpreted as a troll post, but I am genuinely curious...so I'll try to be as PC as possible because it is not my intent. I have been wondering this for some time.
I relate the decision most similarly to that of an aspiring professional football player. If you take a look at my name, champ24, you may realize I am an avid football fan. Champ Bailey is my favorite player, even though he is past his prime. However, the situation applies to him as well. What do you do after your short career is done? Most professional NFL athletes last 2-3 years in the NFL before they are done. They have then blown their college experience by taking the easiest major possible, and have no real life experience beyond football...which is pointless in 99.99% of professions.
A Denver Bronco, yes, my team even though they suck, was cut from the team a few years ago. The broncos ran into RB injury problems, so they called the dude back to start in the middle of the season. The guy was selling cell phones at the mall. WTF? He probably made a killing for 3 years or so, but now makes minimum wage pitching Sprint contracts to customers. How could you not think about the transition after your career is over?
The same applies to progaming. You have a short career span of playing video games, screwing hot chicks, going to the bars with your buddies for a few years, and then what? It's not like putting "I'm an expert at the 15 nexus FE" or the "polt timing attack" on your resume is going to land you a dream job that can support a family. It may sound down the road kiddos, but odds are you will have a ball and chain. And she's likely not goin to enjoy you throwing down hours upon hours of gaming every day. My video games turn off when the better half gets home from work, even though I love them. The gaming days are over when I have little munchkins running around.
But that aside, the best example I can think of is mr. Day9 himself. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. If I saw him in the bar the drinks would be on me the whole night. He's hilarious. But I shiver every time he mentions that he made his rent for the month, and how he spends 6 hours a day reviewing funday monday videos. I get the feeling he is a crazy smart guy, but I get the impression he is missing out on life. I'm sure his gaming experience was fun and all, but would a different path have been better?
Like I said, I'm a fan of football but I think choosing it as a career is a terrible idea. I apply the same philosophy to that of pro-gaming. It may sound like this epic ride for a few years, but life is a lot longer than that. And looking at the general consensus of this thread, most people are jealous of it. I don't see it...so why?
TLDR-why do you want to be a pro gamer, and what do you plan to do after the gig is up? It's really simple, people choose that lifestyle because they want to. You seem like the kind of person that feels obligated to follow the societal standards; build your career, get married, have kids ... die. And maybe that's exactly what you wanted to do with your life. It's just sad to me that there are so many people that don't do what they want with their life because they are trying to fulfill some perceived purpose in life. They spend their youth learning their asses off so they can work 9 to 5 shifts for the rest of their lifes climbing the ceremonial ladder and accumulating money that they'll invest in botoxing their face when they're old, retired and unable to do the things they wanted to do in the first place. These progamers have the balls to do what they wanted with their life instead of becoming a lawyer like dad wanted. They'll probably have good memories of these days for the rest of their lives while the guys working "an honest job" are busy working towards some future happiness (which may or may not come). In short, life is fucking short ... you can't worry all the time about what other people think. There's no such thing as good or right things to do with your life and no-one's going to get punished or rewarded after they die. People should stop thinking that what 99% of the other people are doing must be the "good way".
Great post.
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On October 20 2010 03:27 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 00:28 Champ24 wrote:
Sounds like a fun night and all, but I'm curious as to why people choose this as a profession?
I realize this can be interpreted as a troll post, but I am genuinely curious...so I'll try to be as PC as possible because it is not my intent. I have been wondering this for some time.
I relate the decision most similarly to that of an aspiring professional football player. If you take a look at my name, champ24, you may realize I am an avid football fan. Champ Bailey is my favorite player, even though he is past his prime. However, the situation applies to him as well. What do you do after your short career is done? Most professional NFL athletes last 2-3 years in the NFL before they are done. They have then blown their college experience by taking the easiest major possible, and have no real life experience beyond football...which is pointless in 99.99% of professions.
A Denver Bronco, yes, my team even though they suck, was cut from the team a few years ago. The broncos ran into RB injury problems, so they called the dude back to start in the middle of the season. The guy was selling cell phones at the mall. WTF? He probably made a killing for 3 years or so, but now makes minimum wage pitching Sprint contracts to customers. How could you not think about the transition after your career is over?
The same applies to progaming. You have a short career span of playing video games, screwing hot chicks, going to the bars with your buddies for a few years, and then what? It's not like putting "I'm an expert at the 15 nexus FE" or the "polt timing attack" on your resume is going to land you a dream job that can support a family. It may sound down the road kiddos, but odds are you will have a ball and chain. And she's likely not goin to enjoy you throwing down hours upon hours of gaming every day. My video games turn off when the better half gets home from work, even though I love them. The gaming days are over when I have little munchkins running around.
But that aside, the best example I can think of is mr. Day9 himself. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. If I saw him in the bar the drinks would be on me the whole night. He's hilarious. But I shiver every time he mentions that he made his rent for the month, and how he spends 6 hours a day reviewing funday monday videos. I get the feeling he is a crazy smart guy, but I get the impression he is missing out on life. I'm sure his gaming experience was fun and all, but would a different path have been better?
Like I said, I'm a fan of football but I think choosing it as a career is a terrible idea. I apply the same philosophy to that of pro-gaming. It may sound like this epic ride for a few years, but life is a lot longer than that. And looking at the general consensus of this thread, most people are jealous of it. I don't see it...so why?
TLDR-why do you want to be a pro gamer, and what do you plan to do after the gig is up? It's really simple, people choose that lifestyle because they want to. You seem like the kind of person that feels obligated to follow the societal standards; build your career, get married, have kids ... die. And maybe that's exactly what you wanted to do with your life. It's just sad to me that there are so many people that don't do what they want with their life because they are trying to fulfill some perceived purpose in life. They spend their youth learning their asses off so they can work 9 to 5 shifts for the rest of their lifes climbing the ceremonial ladder and accumulating money that they'll invest in botoxing their face when they're old, retired and unable to do the things they wanted to do in the first place. These progamers have the balls to do what they wanted with their life instead of becoming a lawyer like dad wanted. They'll probably have good memories of these days for the rest of their lives while the guys working "an honest job" are busy working towards some future happiness (which may or may not come). In short, life is fucking short ... you can't worry all the time about what other people think. There's no such thing as good or right things to do with your life and no-one's going to get punished or rewarded after they die. People should stop thinking that what 99% of the other people are doing must be the "good way".
Pretty much exactly what I was going to say. Not a fan of the "back-up plan" idea. If you love something, do it.
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On October 20 2010 00:28 Champ24 wrote:
Sounds like a fun night and all, but I'm curious as to why people choose this as a profession?
I realize this can be interpreted as a troll post, but I am genuinely curious...so I'll try to be as PC as possible because it is not my intent. I have been wondering this for some time.
I relate the decision most similarly to that of an aspiring professional football player. If you take a look at my name, champ24, you may realize I am an avid football fan. Champ Bailey is my favorite player, even though he is past his prime. However, the situation applies to him as well. What do you do after your short career is done? Most professional NFL athletes last 2-3 years in the NFL before they are done. They have then blown their college experience by taking the easiest major possible, and have no real life experience beyond football...which is pointless in 99.99% of professions.
A Denver Bronco, yes, my team even though they suck, was cut from the team a few years ago. The broncos ran into RB injury problems, so they called the dude back to start in the middle of the season. The guy was selling cell phones at the mall. WTF? He probably made a killing for 3 years or so, but now makes minimum wage pitching Sprint contracts to customers. How could you not think about the transition after your career is over?
The same applies to progaming. You have a short career span of playing video games, screwing hot chicks, going to the bars with your buddies for a few years, and then what? It's not like putting "I'm an expert at the 15 nexus FE" or the "polt timing attack" on your resume is going to land you a dream job that can support a family. It may sound down the road kiddos, but odds are you will have a ball and chain. And she's likely not goin to enjoy you throwing down hours upon hours of gaming every day. My video games turn off when the better half gets home from work, even though I love them. The gaming days are over when I have little munchkins running around.
But that aside, the best example I can think of is mr. Day9 himself. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. If I saw him in the bar the drinks would be on me the whole night. He's hilarious. But I shiver every time he mentions that he made his rent for the month, and how he spends 6 hours a day reviewing funday monday videos. I get the feeling he is a crazy smart guy, but I get the impression he is missing out on life. I'm sure his gaming experience was fun and all, but would a different path have been better?
Like I said, I'm a fan of football but I think choosing it as a career is a terrible idea. I apply the same philosophy to that of pro-gaming. It may sound like this epic ride for a few years, but life is a lot longer than that. And looking at the general consensus of this thread, most people are jealous of it. I don't see it...so why?
TLDR-why do you want to be a pro gamer, and what do you plan to do after the gig is up?
what an utterly boring way to live life if you dont follow your dreams just because society doesn't reward you properly.
Conform or die huh?
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good read sir
would love to see such "blogs" from TLO/Jinro/Haypro
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Yay! I missed old, involved-in-gaming, Rekrul the first time round.
Not this time though :D
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Holy shit, I just read Rekrul's bio on liquipedia and that was some the most amazing stuff I've ever read. Anyone who hasn't read that yet needs to do it right now. Now if you'll excuse I'm off to read up on poker...
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nice one rekrul haha, made me laugh some
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On October 20 2010 07:37 Mataru wrote:
Holy shit, I just read Rekrul's bio on liquipedia and that was some the most amazing stuff I've ever read. Anyone who hasn't read that yet needs to do it right now. Now if you'll excuse I'm off to read up on poker...
LOL, that's not a biography, it's an autobiography!
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Rekrul
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Fukin sweet read rek! It's been a long time, i missed your entries ! ~
God, you know what ? I'm pretty sure if i've ever gone to korea and i was to meet you we'd chill everywehre. You betcha !
Thanks again for the read, keep'em coming !
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nice! I want to see more Rekrul in sc2!
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rekrul is backk!!!
keep is updated!!
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this is rekrul writing.. you guys haven't seen the drunkrul yes?
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good read.thanks for sharing =)
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I don't like complimenting you because you get so much of it but that really was a super cool read.
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God I hope this means there is more to come.
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Beer on top of Vodka.
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IMHO, it seemed like you were asking for it. :I
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On October 20 2010 00:28 Champ24 wrote:
Sounds like a fun night and all, but I'm curious as to why people choose this as a profession?
I realize this can be interpreted as a troll post, but I am genuinely curious...so I'll try to be as PC as possible because it is not my intent. I have been wondering this for some time.
I relate the decision most similarly to that of an aspiring professional football player. If you take a look at my name, champ24, you may realize I am an avid football fan. Champ Bailey is my favorite player, even though he is past his prime. However, the situation applies to him as well. What do you do after your short career is done? Most professional NFL athletes last 2-3 years in the NFL before they are done. They have then blown their college experience by taking the easiest major possible, and have no real life experience beyond football...which is pointless in 99.99% of professions.
A Denver Bronco, yes, my team even though they suck, was cut from the team a few years ago. The broncos ran into RB injury problems, so they called the dude back to start in the middle of the season. The guy was selling cell phones at the mall. WTF? He probably made a killing for 3 years or so, but now makes minimum wage pitching Sprint contracts to customers. How could you not think about the transition after your career is over?
The same applies to progaming. You have a short career span of playing video games, screwing hot chicks, going to the bars with your buddies for a few years, and then what? It's not like putting "I'm an expert at the 15 nexus FE" or the "polt timing attack" on your resume is going to land you a dream job that can support a family. It may sound down the road kiddos, but odds are you will have a ball and chain. And she's likely not goin to enjoy you throwing down hours upon hours of gaming every day. My video games turn off when the better half gets home from work, even though I love them. The gaming days are over when I have little munchkins running around.
But that aside, the best example I can think of is mr. Day9 himself. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. If I saw him in the bar the drinks would be on me the whole night. He's hilarious. But I shiver every time he mentions that he made his rent for the month, and how he spends 6 hours a day reviewing funday monday videos. I get the feeling he is a crazy smart guy, but I get the impression he is missing out on life. I'm sure his gaming experience was fun and all, but would a different path have been better?
Like I said, I'm a fan of football but I think choosing it as a career is a terrible idea. I apply the same philosophy to that of pro-gaming. It may sound like this epic ride for a few years, but life is a lot longer than that. And looking at the general consensus of this thread, most people are jealous of it. I don't see it...so why?
TLDR-why do you want to be a pro gamer, and what do you plan to do after the gig is up?
I'm not sure which denver bronco player you are describing but that's retarded. Athletes make a ton of money. You make it sound like after they retire from the nfl, they have no other skills and have no other way to earn those skills.
Even the scrubbiest minimium-wage players make a decent amount of money (at least 325k... that's like 10 years worth of wages for some families). That denver bronco working at the cellphone store after retirement probably wasted all his money on stupid shit. If he managed his money remotely well, he'll definitely be able to at LEAST afford community college for 4 years and hopefully get a better job. It's not like football leaves him paralyzed and he's fucked as soon as he retired from football.
I seriously hate how people feels bad for professional athletes after they retire. They have money, a able body, speak fluent English and somehow we're supposed to believe that they can't do anything else besides football.
Back on topic... Thanks rekrul for the good read. I went through your stub in the liquidpedia as well and found it fascinating.
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i wanna see you play again Rekrul
just sign up for some random tournaments or showmatch, would love it
plz plz plz <3
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You got some serious writing skills. Actually I'm not sure whether it's the story oder the style. Either way, gave me something to think about.
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On October 20 2010 00:28 Champ24 wrote:
Sounds like a fun night and all, but I'm curious as to why people choose this as a profession?
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The same applies to progaming. You have a short career span of playing video games, screwing hot chicks, going to the bars with your buddies for a few years, and then what? It's not like putting "I'm an expert at the 15 nexus FE" or the "polt timing attack" on your resume is going to land you a dream job that can support a family. It may sound down the road kiddos, but odds are you will have a ball and chain. And she's likely not goin to enjoy you throwing down hours upon hours of gaming every day. My video games turn off when the better half gets home from work, even though I love them. The gaming days are over when I have little munchkins running around.
But that aside, the best example I can think of is mr. Day9 himself. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. If I saw him in the bar the drinks would be on me the whole night. He's hilarious. But I shiver every time he mentions that he made his rent for the month, and how he spends 6 hours a day reviewing funday monday videos. I get the feeling he is a crazy smart guy, but I get the impression he is missing out on life. I'm sure his gaming experience was fun and all, but would a different path have been better?
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Everyone who accomplished something great or had a lot of fun took a risk somewhere along the line. Sure, maybe a few progamers made a mistake in picking progaming. Maybe a cubicle desk job is the best they could do. But you can't walk a "safe" career path and accomplish truly great things. Did you really go through your twenties thinking "wow what will my future wife think" and "how does this affect my future kids"? At some point in your life you need adventure and for these guys it's progaming.
I hate to keep piling on you because everyone already is replying and criticizing your post, but Day9 is the absolute worst example of "missing out on life" ever. The guy lives the dream. He gets flown to every major Starcraft 2 event every other week. 15,000 people watch him talk, and millions would trade places with him in an instant. He spends the majority of his time doing what he loves. He's a huge celebrity as long as Starcraft lives, and this game will live for decades (if you count the expansions and SC3 behind it). He can probably drop out of school and make a living casting right now but instead finishes his super hard math program at a good university.
If anyone is set up to succeed through the esports industry, it's Day. There's nothing more stable than being the #1 in-demand caster. It's not like his casting performance will disappear or drop away, it will only gain strength and experience with time. Every single time he's flown out to IEM or MLG or Blizzcon his resume is buffed and he becomes even more indispensable for the next event. I'm willing to bet he could cast until age 50 if he wanted, and teach casting all that time as well. It's ridiculous that you chose probably the most successful person in the SC2 esports industry right now (outside of Blizzard's CEO haha) as your example of "missing out on life."
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Thank for the nice read rek.
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Awesome post dude. So...what about Coach Rekrul?
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On October 20 2010 18:34 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 00:28 Champ24 wrote:
Sounds like a fun night and all, but I'm curious as to why people choose this as a profession?
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The same applies to progaming. You have a short career span of playing video games, screwing hot chicks, going to the bars with your buddies for a few years, and then what? It's not like putting "I'm an expert at the 15 nexus FE" or the "polt timing attack" on your resume is going to land you a dream job that can support a family. It may sound down the road kiddos, but odds are you will have a ball and chain. And she's likely not goin to enjoy you throwing down hours upon hours of gaming every day. My video games turn off when the better half gets home from work, even though I love them. The gaming days are over when I have little munchkins running around.
But that aside, the best example I can think of is mr. Day9 himself. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. If I saw him in the bar the drinks would be on me the whole night. He's hilarious. But I shiver every time he mentions that he made his rent for the month, and how he spends 6 hours a day reviewing funday monday videos. I get the feeling he is a crazy smart guy, but I get the impression he is missing out on life. I'm sure his gaming experience was fun and all, but would a different path have been better?
... Everyone who accomplished something great or had a lot of fun took a risk somewhere along the line. Sure, maybe a few progamers made a mistake in picking progaming. Maybe a cubicle desk job is the best they could do. But you can't walk a "safe" career path and accomplish truly great things. Did you really go through your twenties thinking "wow what will my future wife think" and "how does this affect my future kids"? At some point in your life you need adventure and for these guys it's progaming. I hate to keep piling on you because everyone already is replying and criticizing your post, but Day9 is the absolute worst example of "missing out on life" ever. The guy lives the dream. He gets flown to every major Starcraft 2 event every other week. 15,000 people watch him talk, and millions would trade places with him in an instant. He spends the majority of his time doing what he loves. He's a huge celebrity as long as Starcraft lives, and this game will live for decades (if you count the expansions and SC3 behind it). He can probably drop out of school and make a living casting right now but instead finishes his super hard math program at a good university. If anyone is set up to succeed through the esports industry, it's Day. There's nothing more stable than being the #1 in-demand caster. It's not like his casting performance will disappear or drop away, it will only gain strength and experience with time. Every single time he's flown out to IEM or MLG or Blizzcon his resume is buffed and he becomes even more indispensable for the next event. I'm willing to bet he could cast until age 50 if he wanted, and teach casting all that time as well. It's ridiculous that you chose probably the most successful person in the SC2 esports industry right now (outside of Blizzard's CEO haha) as your example of "missing out on life."
I was expecting to get criticized. I'm basically in the hornets nest of pro gaming asking why. Anyways, I rescinded my day9 analogy a few posts later once I learned of his masters program at USC. I'll own that mistake. He isn't a good example.
If you want to do what you love, go for it. I'm certainly not the one to stop you. However, I revert to my NFL analogy; it may seem great, but it leads down a path that may be difficult to get out of. To another curious member, Tatum Bell was the Bronco player selling phones. A chilling related stat, 78% of all NFL player are bankrupt, divorced, or unemployed following their NFL stint. I get the feeling pro gaming falls into the same boat. You learn skills that are not valuable in life when your gaming career ends. But perhaps I'm wrong...it wont be the first time.
I just don't get warm fuzzies when I see teens posting on here about wanting to pack their bags and move to Korea so they can get paid to play video games. If you truly want to, by all means, do it. You only live once. But there are always consequences for your actions, and some are more difficult to see than others. Id hate to see someones life ruined 10 years from now because they had delusions of grandeur about sc2 gaming. The OP exemplifies a bunch of buddies sitting around, drinking beer, playing video games into the wee hours of the night, and blowing tournament cash at restaurants following a victory. Can it happen? Certainly. But it's jut one angle of the big picture. I'm merely attempting to highlight a different side.
But I must say I am slightly biased. I work as an engineer for a living, so not taking unnecessary risks has been pounded into my brain for years.
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On October 20 2010 22:10 Champ24 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 18:34 Hot_Bid wrote:On October 20 2010 00:28 Champ24 wrote:
Sounds like a fun night and all, but I'm curious as to why people choose this as a profession?
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The same applies to progaming. You have a short career span of playing video games, screwing hot chicks, going to the bars with your buddies for a few years, and then what? It's not like putting "I'm an expert at the 15 nexus FE" or the "polt timing attack" on your resume is going to land you a dream job that can support a family. It may sound down the road kiddos, but odds are you will have a ball and chain. And she's likely not goin to enjoy you throwing down hours upon hours of gaming every day. My video games turn off when the better half gets home from work, even though I love them. The gaming days are over when I have little munchkins running around.
But that aside, the best example I can think of is mr. Day9 himself. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. If I saw him in the bar the drinks would be on me the whole night. He's hilarious. But I shiver every time he mentions that he made his rent for the month, and how he spends 6 hours a day reviewing funday monday videos. I get the feeling he is a crazy smart guy, but I get the impression he is missing out on life. I'm sure his gaming experience was fun and all, but would a different path have been better?
... Everyone who accomplished something great or had a lot of fun took a risk somewhere along the line. Sure, maybe a few progamers made a mistake in picking progaming. Maybe a cubicle desk job is the best they could do. But you can't walk a "safe" career path and accomplish truly great things. Did you really go through your twenties thinking "wow what will my future wife think" and "how does this affect my future kids"? At some point in your life you need adventure and for these guys it's progaming. I hate to keep piling on you because everyone already is replying and criticizing your post, but Day9 is the absolute worst example of "missing out on life" ever. The guy lives the dream. He gets flown to every major Starcraft 2 event every other week. 15,000 people watch him talk, and millions would trade places with him in an instant. He spends the majority of his time doing what he loves. He's a huge celebrity as long as Starcraft lives, and this game will live for decades (if you count the expansions and SC3 behind it). He can probably drop out of school and make a living casting right now but instead finishes his super hard math program at a good university. If anyone is set up to succeed through the esports industry, it's Day. There's nothing more stable than being the #1 in-demand caster. It's not like his casting performance will disappear or drop away, it will only gain strength and experience with time. Every single time he's flown out to IEM or MLG or Blizzcon his resume is buffed and he becomes even more indispensable for the next event. I'm willing to bet he could cast until age 50 if he wanted, and teach casting all that time as well. It's ridiculous that you chose probably the most successful person in the SC2 esports industry right now (outside of Blizzard's CEO haha) as your example of "missing out on life." I was expecting to get criticized. I'm basically in the hornets nest of pro gaming asking why. Anyways, I rescinded my day9 analogy a few posts later once I learned of his masters program at USC. I'll own that mistake. He isn't a good example. If you want to do what you love, go for it. I'm certainly not the one to stop you. However, I revert to my NFL analogy; it may seem great, but it leads down a path that may be difficult to get out of. To another curious member, Tatum Bell was the Bronco player selling phones. A chilling related stat, 78% of all NFL player are bankrupt, divorced, or unemployed following their NFL stint. I get the feeling pro gaming falls into the same boat. You learn skills that are not valuable in life when your gaming career ends. But perhaps I'm wrong...it wont be the first time. I just don't get warm fuzzies when I see teens posting on here about wanting to pack their bags and move to Korea so they can get paid to play video games. If you truly want to, by all means, do it. You only live once. But there are always consequences for your actions, and some are more difficult to see than others. Id hate to see someones life ruined 10 years from now because they had delusions of grandeur about sc2 gaming. The OP exemplifies a bunch of buddies sitting around, drinking beer, playing video games into the wee hours of the night, and blowing tournament cash at restaurants following a victory. Can it happen? Certainly. But it's jut one angle of the big picture. I'm merely attempting to highlight a different side. But I must say I am slightly biased. I work as an engineer for a living, so not taking unnecessary risks has been pounded into my brain for years.
Champ I absolutely agree with what you’re saying and I would urge all the people that want to play sc2 for a living to make sure that they can transition out of it if it ever fails. However taking a gap year or two just before you enter university like you can do in the Uk and Europe to spend on progaming or whatever is the right way about it. Even Idra has good qualifications. However spending your life playing this game with no other experience to back you up is a really bad path to travel on and I think a lot of people realize this and therefore most of them are not in Korea .Life can be cold to the ones that are not prepared and I think most people realize this!
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Thanks for the read Rekrul, I always love when you do these!
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Excellent read! Thank you.
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NFL players shouldn't need any other skills after their career seeing how they make millions. But they probably think they can just continue living the same way after their career when their income stops coming in, which leads to bankruptcy i guess.
Also the skills aren't useless, you could become part of an organization somehow, a general manager, coach, assistant, etc. since you'll know the business well. Some also go on to become announcers or analysts too. This can (and does) translate to gaming too.
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Great story. I had no idea you were so involved with Spunky. Getting smashed with progaming managers must be awesome.
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Cheers Dan, its been a while since we had one of these stories
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Nice read, thanks Rekrul!
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Read this through the facebook link. Wonderful story! :D Good to see you motivated, and hope you get back into progaming!
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A really great story, always nice to hear about team closeness and what goes on behind the scenes a bit
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On October 20 2010 22:10 Champ24 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 18:34 Hot_Bid wrote:On October 20 2010 00:28 Champ24 wrote:
Sounds like a fun night and all, but I'm curious as to why people choose this as a profession?
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The same applies to progaming. You have a short career span of playing video games, screwing hot chicks, going to the bars with your buddies for a few years, and then what? It's not like putting "I'm an expert at the 15 nexus FE" or the "polt timing attack" on your resume is going to land you a dream job that can support a family. It may sound down the road kiddos, but odds are you will have a ball and chain. And she's likely not goin to enjoy you throwing down hours upon hours of gaming every day. My video games turn off when the better half gets home from work, even though I love them. The gaming days are over when I have little munchkins running around.
But that aside, the best example I can think of is mr. Day9 himself. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. If I saw him in the bar the drinks would be on me the whole night. He's hilarious. But I shiver every time he mentions that he made his rent for the month, and how he spends 6 hours a day reviewing funday monday videos. I get the feeling he is a crazy smart guy, but I get the impression he is missing out on life. I'm sure his gaming experience was fun and all, but would a different path have been better?
... Everyone who accomplished something great or had a lot of fun took a risk somewhere along the line. Sure, maybe a few progamers made a mistake in picking progaming. Maybe a cubicle desk job is the best they could do. But you can't walk a "safe" career path and accomplish truly great things. Did you really go through your twenties thinking "wow what will my future wife think" and "how does this affect my future kids"? At some point in your life you need adventure and for these guys it's progaming. I hate to keep piling on you because everyone already is replying and criticizing your post, but Day9 is the absolute worst example of "missing out on life" ever. The guy lives the dream. He gets flown to every major Starcraft 2 event every other week. 15,000 people watch him talk, and millions would trade places with him in an instant. He spends the majority of his time doing what he loves. He's a huge celebrity as long as Starcraft lives, and this game will live for decades (if you count the expansions and SC3 behind it). He can probably drop out of school and make a living casting right now but instead finishes his super hard math program at a good university. If anyone is set up to succeed through the esports industry, it's Day. There's nothing more stable than being the #1 in-demand caster. It's not like his casting performance will disappear or drop away, it will only gain strength and experience with time. Every single time he's flown out to IEM or MLG or Blizzcon his resume is buffed and he becomes even more indispensable for the next event. I'm willing to bet he could cast until age 50 if he wanted, and teach casting all that time as well. It's ridiculous that you chose probably the most successful person in the SC2 esports industry right now (outside of Blizzard's CEO haha) as your example of "missing out on life." I was expecting to get criticized. I'm basically in the hornets nest of pro gaming asking why. Anyways, I rescinded my day9 analogy a few posts later once I learned of his masters program at USC. I'll own that mistake. He isn't a good example. If you want to do what you love, go for it. I'm certainly not the one to stop you. However, I revert to my NFL analogy; it may seem great, but it leads down a path that may be difficult to get out of. To another curious member, Tatum Bell was the Bronco player selling phones. A chilling related stat, 78% of all NFL player are bankrupt, divorced, or unemployed following their NFL stint. I get the feeling pro gaming falls into the same boat. You learn skills that are not valuable in life when your gaming career ends. But perhaps I'm wrong...it wont be the first time. I just don't get warm fuzzies when I see teens posting on here about wanting to pack their bags and move to Korea so they can get paid to play video games. If you truly want to, by all means, do it. You only live once. But there are always consequences for your actions, and some are more difficult to see than others. Id hate to see someones life ruined 10 years from now because they had delusions of grandeur about sc2 gaming. The OP exemplifies a bunch of buddies sitting around, drinking beer, playing video games into the wee hours of the night, and blowing tournament cash at restaurants following a victory. Can it happen? Certainly. But it's jut one angle of the big picture. I'm merely attempting to highlight a different side. But I must say I am slightly biased. I work as an engineer for a living, so not taking unnecessary risks has been pounded into my brain for years.
Day is one of the smartest persons you might find online ;(
To play football you just need to ge fat (defense) or fast, you dont need 16 smartasses to be successfull in this game...
For SC everyone must be smart, fast thinking and good in math. If you aren´t good enough you gonna find out latest after one year, and what is one year in your life :D. Or you do it like Dan, play poker, you can play it when you are 60 and if you have money the girls will be still yours
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Really awesome read... Enjoyed every paragraph
You should write a book on SC Esport
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hey dan,
I want to go back to korea, that was so much fun time.
Get Bertrand back into the business too
GOGOG!
Maxime
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Great read! Good luck in your future endeavors Rek.
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Really nice read.
On topic of the guy saying being a progamer is nothing for the future that's wrong, we are a different generation and people don't "grow up" to become the old timers that live today and act as rulers of the corporate world. It will probably be understood in a while that having these skills is really good for loads of other things. Thinking fast is absolutely useful. Developing dynamic strategies on the fly is useful.
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On October 20 2010 22:10 Champ24 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2010 18:34 Hot_Bid wrote:On October 20 2010 00:28 Champ24 wrote:
Sounds like a fun night and all, but I'm curious as to why people choose this as a profession?
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The same applies to progaming. You have a short career span of playing video games, screwing hot chicks, going to the bars with your buddies for a few years, and then what? It's not like putting "I'm an expert at the 15 nexus FE" or the "polt timing attack" on your resume is going to land you a dream job that can support a family. It may sound down the road kiddos, but odds are you will have a ball and chain. And she's likely not goin to enjoy you throwing down hours upon hours of gaming every day. My video games turn off when the better half gets home from work, even though I love them. The gaming days are over when I have little munchkins running around.
But that aside, the best example I can think of is mr. Day9 himself. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. If I saw him in the bar the drinks would be on me the whole night. He's hilarious. But I shiver every time he mentions that he made his rent for the month, and how he spends 6 hours a day reviewing funday monday videos. I get the feeling he is a crazy smart guy, but I get the impression he is missing out on life. I'm sure his gaming experience was fun and all, but would a different path have been better?
... Everyone who accomplished something great or had a lot of fun took a risk somewhere along the line. Sure, maybe a few progamers made a mistake in picking progaming. Maybe a cubicle desk job is the best they could do. But you can't walk a "safe" career path and accomplish truly great things. Did you really go through your twenties thinking "wow what will my future wife think" and "how does this affect my future kids"? At some point in your life you need adventure and for these guys it's progaming. I hate to keep piling on you because everyone already is replying and criticizing your post, but Day9 is the absolute worst example of "missing out on life" ever. The guy lives the dream. He gets flown to every major Starcraft 2 event every other week. 15,000 people watch him talk, and millions would trade places with him in an instant. He spends the majority of his time doing what he loves. He's a huge celebrity as long as Starcraft lives, and this game will live for decades (if you count the expansions and SC3 behind it). He can probably drop out of school and make a living casting right now but instead finishes his super hard math program at a good university. If anyone is set up to succeed through the esports industry, it's Day. There's nothing more stable than being the #1 in-demand caster. It's not like his casting performance will disappear or drop away, it will only gain strength and experience with time. Every single time he's flown out to IEM or MLG or Blizzcon his resume is buffed and he becomes even more indispensable for the next event. I'm willing to bet he could cast until age 50 if he wanted, and teach casting all that time as well. It's ridiculous that you chose probably the most successful person in the SC2 esports industry right now (outside of Blizzard's CEO haha) as your example of "missing out on life." I was expecting to get criticized. I'm basically in the hornets nest of pro gaming asking why. Anyways, I rescinded my day9 analogy a few posts later once I learned of his masters program at USC. I'll own that mistake. He isn't a good example. If you want to do what you love, go for it. I'm certainly not the one to stop you. However, I revert to my NFL analogy; it may seem great, but it leads down a path that may be difficult to get out of. To another curious member, Tatum Bell was the Bronco player selling phones. A chilling related stat, 78% of all NFL player are bankrupt, divorced, or unemployed following their NFL stint. I get the feeling pro gaming falls into the same boat. You learn skills that are not valuable in life when your gaming career ends. But perhaps I'm wrong...it wont be the first time. I just don't get warm fuzzies when I see teens posting on here about wanting to pack their bags and move to Korea so they can get paid to play video games. If you truly want to, by all means, do it. You only live once. But there are always consequences for your actions, and some are more difficult to see than others. Id hate to see someones life ruined 10 years from now because they had delusions of grandeur about sc2 gaming. The OP exemplifies a bunch of buddies sitting around, drinking beer, playing video games into the wee hours of the night, and blowing tournament cash at restaurants following a victory. Can it happen? Certainly. But it's jut one angle of the big picture. I'm merely attempting to highlight a different side. But I must say I am slightly biased. I work as an engineer for a living, so not taking unnecessary risks has been pounded into my brain for years.
I agree with you and with the replies to you
Is Pro-Gaming a good career-choice? Probably not, but neither is musician,dancer or artist. There is usually a point in must young kids life before they go into "higher education" (like a university, in sweden this is around the same time you turn 18 or 19) where they can afford to basicly screw around for a while. Many people around here take a year off to do some crazy shit like hitch-hike around the world or try to make is as a pro in golf/dance/skateboard/whaterver. I myself spent one year "studying" something completely useless, and being honest about it, and pretty much partied and slept the whole time. After that year i got serious and apllied to a real education.
My point is, i dont think it is wrong to pursue ANY dream career as long as A) you dont get yourself into huge debts and B) if things dont work out you change before A occurs.
When I started my serious education (construction engineer) at the Uni the average age in our class of 120 person where around 25 years old. I dont think any of the guys participating in GSL or other big foreign tournaments are to old to change to a serious career after thier gaming career ends/fails. And when that time comes they will be older, hopefully wiser and more mature and should be able to complete thier education easier.
And I imagine "Was a Starcraft 2 professional gamer in Korea 2010-2012" is a pretty awesome thing to have on your resume.
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Rekrul delivers as usual. ^^
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On October 18 2010 07:07 Nuri wrote:
nice read
This.
Can be improved. But still a nice read overall.
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Rekrul, go on State of the Game podcast pretty please with ssamjang on top!
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I'd like to see some Artosis vs Rekrul rivalry in sc2 :D
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Fuck ya rekrul, another baller story, and this time perhaps teasing us with the possibility of seeing you on tv?
I wish Artosis would do an interview with you, would be very interesting.
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Cool post, interesting and funny story.
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Love reading your stories, Rek.
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On October 18 2010 07:01 Rekrul wrote:
The best meal of your life, the best sex of your life, making alot of $....
What would a Rekrul post be without this? I love reading ur stories man. <3
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This is a very enjoyable story. I get the same feeling when I see ACE win. I look forward to seeing you play in the future!
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That was a really nice story, great to hear that you are gaining interest in SC2 =]
I'll be sorry to admit that I'm not very familiar with rekrul, so I took to google to search for "rekrul starcraft". The third item down I saw is a very old post made by rekrul from around 2005, and I thought it provided a rather interesting contrast with the opening post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=22425
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On October 20 2010 12:30 travis wrote:
I don't like complimenting you because you get so much of it but that really was a super cool read.
keke that was honest, ^^
@Avius I told Rek we'd just buy a team from Spunky (money solves most things keke);
This is my conversation with Rek that night:
'Dan!'
'Dave going to watch the team finals, OGS is gonna rape em, you want to go see em, we are going to celebrate after we win'
'Ah, damn, I love to, but I gotta stay in and work, but just call me later and I'll try to make it'
'Ok'
'Ok gogo'
5 hours later.....
'Dan!'
'Dave, omg, OGS almost got killed, the last guy had to win 3 straight, so sick'
'LOL, what happened to the raped?, but that is sick 3 straight'
'Yeah, we gonna get fucked up now'
'Ok, gotta work, but give my love to the boys gogo!'
****
After reading Rek's post, I wish I had gone and passed the night away in a soju stupor keke.
Hope you're having fun in sober land now Rek, love ya!
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On October 18 2010 07:16 Elegy wrote:brilliant read LOL that cracked me up for ages.
OMG Rekrul is the BEST narrator ever! Rivetting read as-per-us...
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