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Ncinerate
Profile Joined October 2010
172 Posts
October 30 2010 17:16 GMT
#781
awesome to hear, thanks bumblebees .
tetracycloide
Profile Joined July 2010
295 Posts
October 30 2010 17:37 GMT
#782
Would it be possible to add an option for Hatcheries in base instead of at expansion? 3 Hatches on two bases is pretty common and it would be nice to work out some expansion timings up to the 6-8 min mark that include the cost of a third Hatch but don't include the increase in mineral collection from having a third expo.
My vanity is justified
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
October 30 2010 19:33 GMT
#783
On October 31 2010 02:37 tetracycloide wrote:
Would it be possible to add an option for Hatcheries in base instead of at expansion? 3 Hatches on two bases is pretty common and it would be nice to work out some expansion timings up to the 6-8 min mark that include the cost of a third Hatch but don't include the increase in mineral collection from having a third expo.

This is basically already taken into account by the program:

1) Look at extractors if <2 then means 2nd hatch is expansion, >2 means in base. <4 means in base, >4 means it took its 3rd.
2) Do that same with mining drones (~24 per base = saturation...)

so at 40 drones, 3 gas, and 3 hatch means 2 base with 1 hatch in base

but

at 60 drones, 2gas, and 3 hatch means 3 base due to minerals

as well,

20 drones, 5 gas, and 3 hatch means 3 base due to needing more gas
If you want to help me out... http://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4b82744b816d3
HanSoo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States17 Posts
October 30 2010 20:08 GMT
#784
On October 30 2010 22:56 HanSoo wrote:
I forgot I left a copy running with 20 muta + econ so I have a build after 1.1+ billion games.

It's obviously not practical verbatim because the first attacking unit is not produced until 7:33, but I figure it's interesting nonetheless because of the used CPU time.

After 38 hours on 6 cores it still found a new order.

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@0:13 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:7/10 BuildDrone
@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
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@0:24 M:52 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@0:30 Spawned: Drone+1
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@0:41 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:43 M:105 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildOverlord
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@1:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:45 Spawned: Larva+1
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@2:16 M:34 G:0 L:0 S:16/18 BuildExtractor
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@2:30 M:140 G:0 L:1 S:15/18 BuildDrone
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@2:45 M:246 G:0 L:1 S:16/18 BuildDrone
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@2:46 M:6 G:0 L:0 S:16/18 MineGas
@2:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:48 Mining: +1 on gas
@2:48 Mining: +1 on gas
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@3:30 M:283 G:74 L:2 S:17/20 BuildDrone
@3:30 M:233 G:74 L:1 S:18/20 BuildDrone
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@3:45 M:295 G:103 L:2 S:18/20 BuildDrone
@3:45 M:245 G:103 L:1 S:19/20 BuildOverlord
@3:45 M:145 G:103 L:0 S:19/20 MineGas
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@3:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:47 Mining: +1 on gas
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@4:00 Spawned: Larva+1
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@4:00 M:240 G:144 L:1 S:20/20 MineGas
@4:00 M:240 G:144 L:1 S:20/20 BuildLair
@4:00 M0 G:44 L:1 S:20/20 MineGas
@4:00 M0 G:44 L:1 S:20/20 MineGas
@4:00 M0 G:44 L:1 S:20/20 MineGas
@4:00 M0 G:44 L:1 S:20/20 MineGas
@4:00 M0 G:44 L:1 S:20/20 BuildExtractor
@4:00 M:65 G:44 L:1 S:19/20 BuildDrone
@4:02 Spawned: Drone+1
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@4:02 Mining: +1 on gas
@4:02 Mining: +1 on gas
@4:02 Mining: +1 on gas
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@4:15 M:62 G:127 L:1 S:21/28 BuildDrone
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@4:17 Spawned: Drone+1
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@4:30 M:78 G:213 L:1 S:23/28 BuildDrone
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@4:45 M:163 G:304 L:2 S:24/28 BuildDrone
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@4:47 Spawned: Drone+1
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@5:00 M:217 G:396 L:2 S:26/28 BuildOverlord
@5:00 M:117 G:396 L:1 S:26/28 BuildOverlord
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@5:02 Spawned: Drone+1
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@5:15 M:192 G:487 L:2 S:26/28 BuildDrone
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@5:20 M:202 G:518 L:1 S:27/28 BuildSpire
@5:20 M:2 G:318 L:1 S:26/28 MineGas
@5:20 M:2 G:318 L:1 S:26/28 MineGas
@5:22 Mining: +1 on gas
@5:22 Mining: +1 on gas
@5:25 Spawned: Overlord+1
@5:25 Spawned: Overlord+1
@5:25 M:51 G:352 L:1 S:26/44 BuildDrone
@5:25 M:1 G:352 L:0 S:27/44 MineGas
@5:27 Mining: +1 on gas
@5:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:31 M:57 G:397 L:2 S:27/44 BuildDrone
@5:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:36 M:55 G:435 L:1 S:28/44 BuildDrone
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@5:45 M5 G:504 L:2 S:29/44 BuildDrone
@5:46 M:56 G:511 L:1 S:30/44 BuildDrone
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@6:00 M:115 G:618 L:1 S:32/44 BuildDrone
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@6:15 M:262 G:732 L:2 S:33/44 BuildDrone
@6:15 M:212 G:732 L:1 S:34/44 BuildQueen
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@6:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:18 M:102 G:755 L:1 S:36/44 BuildOverlord
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@6:45 M:115 G60 L:1 S:36/52 BuildOverlord
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@6:57 Spawned: Overlord+1
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@7:00 M:250 G:1074 L:2 S:36/68 BuildOverlord
@7:00 M:150 G:1074 L:1 S:36/68 BuildMutalisk
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@7:10 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:15 M:286 G:1088 L:2 S:38/84 BuildMutalisk
@7:15 M:186 G88 L:1 S:40/84 BuildMutalisk
@7:25 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:30 M:321 G:1002 L:2 S:42/92 BuildMutalisk
@7:30 M:221 G02 L:1 S:44/92 BuildMutalisk
@7:33 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:45 M:357 G16 L:2 S:46/92 BuildMutalisk
@7:45 M:257 G:816 L:1 S:48/92 BuildMutalisk
@7:48 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:48 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:50 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:50 M:235 G:754 L:4 S:50/92 BuildMutalisk
@7:50 M:135 G:654 L:3 S:52/92 BuildMutalisk
@7:55 M:114 G:592 L:2 S:54/92 BuildMutalisk
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@8:01 M:108 G:537 L:3 S:56/92 BuildMutalisk
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@8:03 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:07 M:102 G:483 L:2 S:58/92 BuildMutalisk
@8:14 M:112 G:436 L:1 S:60/92 BuildMutalisk
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@8:18 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:18 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
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@8:23 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:26 M:100 G:327 L:1 S:64/92 BuildMutalisk
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@8:33 M:110 G:281 L:2 S:66/92 BuildMutalisk
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@8:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:46 M:114 G:179 L:6 S:70/92 BuildMutalisk
@8:47 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:52 M:109 G:125 L:5 S:72/92 BuildMutalisk
@8:53 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:59 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:01 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:02 M:166 G:101 L:6 S:74/92 BuildMutalisk
@9:05 M:113 G:24 L:5 S:76/92 BuildOverlord
@9:06 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:11 M:107 G:69 L:4 S:76/92 BuildOverlord
@9:12 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:17 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:17 M:101 G:115 L:5 S:76/92 BuildOverlord
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@9:20 Spawned: Larva+4
@9:25 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:30 Spawned: Overlord+1
@9:32 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:35 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 91
---Final Output---
At time: 9:35
Minerals: 284 Gas: 252 Supply: 76/100
Drones: 34
Overlords: 12
Queens: 1
Mutalisks: 20
Hatcheries: 1
Lairs: 1
Gas Extractors: 4
Spawning Pools: 1
Spire: 1
------------------
Sat Oct 30 05:55:48 CDT 2010: 634728.5370434785


10 seconds faster after 1.3 billion games. Stopping it now because I need these CPU cycles.

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@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
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@2:38 M:7 G:0 L:0 S:15/18 MineGas
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@3:45 M:54 G:22 L:0 S:18/20 MineGas
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@3:47 Mining: +1 on gas
@3:47 Mining: +1 on gas
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@4:17 Spawned: Drone+1
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@4:32 Spawned: Drone+1
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@4:47 Spawned: Drone+1
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@5:02 Spawned: Drone+1
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@5:17 Spawned: Drone+1
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@5:29 Mining: +1 on gas
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@5:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:32 M:55 G:481 L:2 S:27/28 BuildDrone
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@6:03 Spawned: Drone+1
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@6:17 Spawned: Drone+1
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@6:30 M:224 G22 L:1 S:34/36 BuildOverlord
@6:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:40 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:45 M:357 G:1036 L:2 S:34/44 BuildOverlord
@6:45 M:257 G:1036 L:1 S:34/44 BuildQueen
@6:45 M:107 G:1036 L:1 S:36/44 BuildOverlord
@6:55 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:55 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:07 Spawned: Spire+1
@7:07 M:353 G:1203 L:2 S:36/60 BuildMutalisk
@7:07 M:253 G:1103 L:1 S:38/60 BuildMutalisk
@7:10 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:10 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:15 M:278 G:1064 L:2 S:40/76 BuildMutalisk
@7:15 M:178 G64 L:1 S:42/76 BuildMutalisk
@7:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:30 M:314 G78 L:2 S:44/76 BuildMutalisk
@7:30 M:214 G:878 L:1 S:46/76 BuildMutalisk
@7:35 Spawned: Queen+1
@7:40 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:40 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:45 M:349 G:892 L:2 S:48/76 BuildMutalisk
@7:45 M:249 G:792 L:1 S:50/76 BuildMutalisk
@7:48 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:48 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:00 M:385 G:806 L:2 S:52/76 BuildMutalisk
@8:00 M:285 G:706 L:1 S:54/76 BuildMutalisk
@8:03 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:03 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:15 M:420 G:720 L:2 S:56/76 BuildMutalisk
@8:15 M:320 G:620 L:1 S:58/76 BuildMutalisk
@8:18 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:18 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:20 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:20 M:299 G:558 L:4 S:60/76 BuildMutalisk
@8:20 M:199 G:458 L:3 S:62/76 BuildMutalisk
@8:21 M:115 G:365 L:2 S:64/76 BuildMutalisk
@8:27 M:109 G:311 L:1 S:66/76 BuildMutalisk
@8:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:33 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:33 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:33 M:103 G:257 L:2 S:68/76 BuildMutalisk
@8:40 M:113 G:210 L:1 S:70/76 BuildMutalisk
@8:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:46 M:107 G:155 L:2 S:72/76 BuildMutalisk
@8:48 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:48 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:52 M:101 G:101 L:1 S:74/76 BuildMutalisk
@8:52 M:1 G:1 L:0 S:76/76 MineMineral
@8:52 M:1 G:1 L:0 S:76/76 MineMineral
@8:53 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:53 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:54 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:54 Mining: +1 on mineral
@8:54 Mining: +1 on mineral
@9:00 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:00 M:137 G:54 L:2 S:76/76 BuildOverlord
@9:05 Spawned: Larva+4
@9:06 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:13 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:19 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:25 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:25 Spawned: Overlord+1
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 91
---Final Output---
At time: 9:25
Minerals: 467 Gas: 219 Supply: 76/84
Drones: 34
Overlords: 10
Queens: 1
Mutalisks: 20
Hatcheries: 1
Lairs: 1
Gas Extractors: 4
Spawning Pools: 1
Spire: 1
------------------
Sat Oct 30 13:41:30 CDT 2010: 657071.4186857233
tetracycloide
Profile Joined July 2010
295 Posts
October 30 2010 21:54 GMT
#785
On October 31 2010 04:33 Insanious wrote:
so at 40 drones, 3 gas, and 3 hatch means 2 base with 1 hatch in base

It looks to me like 40 drones are mining on 3 bases in this situation, not on 2 with one hatch in base. The mineral collection rates are too high for them to be on 2 bases only.
My vanity is justified
Bumblebees
Profile Joined August 2010
United States328 Posts
October 30 2010 22:09 GMT
#786
On October 31 2010 06:54 tetracycloide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 04:33 Insanious wrote:
so at 40 drones, 3 gas, and 3 hatch means 2 base with 1 hatch in base

It looks to me like 40 drones are mining on 3 bases in this situation, not on 2 with one hatch in base. The mineral collection rates are too high for them to be on 2 bases only.


No.

You assume it's splitting workers evenly across available mineral patches. So if there's 40 drones and 3 extractors, it's only mining 40 - 3*3 = 31 from minerals. Since the mining rates don't change for for each worker added to a mineral patch until there's 3, that's only 15.5 mineral patches that need to be mined. That is 2 bases.

Culture
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada488 Posts
October 30 2010 23:48 GMT
#787
Anyone with a fast processor check something for me? Get one of each unit/building, and every upgrade. Disable extractor trick and push/pull gas, keep 2 supply minimum for building hatch/ext/pool.

I've been running for a while now and no build order solved, but my slow pc only gets 200~ games per second with these settings.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
October 31 2010 00:10 GMT
#788
On October 31 2010 08:48 Culture wrote:
Anyone with a fast processor check something for me? Get one of each unit/building, and every upgrade. Disable extractor trick and push/pull gas, keep 2 supply minimum for building hatch/ext/pool.

I've been running for a while now and no build order solved, but my slow pc only gets 200~ games per second with these settings.


It's faster if you give the first waypoint a lot of drones, like 20 drones in 5 minutes. I didn't do it, but I did put 20 drones for the final. It found a build after 5 minutes in my machine, was getting around 650 games at the start and then it went up to 700 games a second, and now after 9 minutes it's hovering above 800 games a second.

Here's my best build so far after 12 minutes:
+ Show Spoiler +

@0:00 M:50 G:0 L:3 S:6/10 BuildDrone
@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:24 M:102 G:0 L:3 S:7/10 BuildOverlord
@0:34 M:52 G:0 L:2 S:7/10 BuildDrone
@0:39 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:44 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@0:49 Spawned: Overlord+1
@0:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:54 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:01 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:09 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:19 M:205 G:0 L:3 S/18 BuildSpawningPool
@1:23 M:27 G:0 L:3 S:8/18 BuildExtractor
@1:33 M:52 G:0 L:3 S:7/18 BuildDrone
@1:43 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:8/18 BuildDrone
@1:48 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:50 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:53 Spawned: Extractor+1
@1:53 M:50 G:1 L:2 S/18 BuildDrone
@2:00 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:03 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:06 M:51 G:26 L:2 S:10/18 BuildDrone
@2:10 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:17 M:52 G:47 L:1 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@2:18 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:23 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:24 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@2:27 M:53 G:66 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@2:33 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:34 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:44 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:48 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:03 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:12 M:303 G:152 L:3 S:13/18 BuildHatchery
@3:28 M:105 G:182 L:3 S:12/18 BuildOverlord
@3:43 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:43 M:100 G:210 L:3 S:12/18 BuildBanelingNest
@3:48 M:28 G:170 L:3 S:11/18 BuildExtractor
@3:53 Spawned: Overlord+1
@3:58 M:53 G:189 L:3 S:10/26 BuildDrone
@4:08 M:52 G:208 L:2 S:11/26 BuildDrone
@4:13 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:15 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:18 Spawned: Extractor+1
@4:18 M:51 G:229 L:2 S:12/26 BuildDrone
@4:25 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:28 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:31 M:52 G:278 L:2 S:13/26 BuildDrone
@4:35 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:42 M:53 G:320 L:1 S:14/26 BuildDrone
@4:43 Spawned: Baneling Nest+1
@4:43 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:48 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:52 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@4:52 M:55 G:358 L:1 S:15/28 BuildDrone
@4:58 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:59 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:00 M:53 G:388 L:2 S:16/28 BuildDrone
@5:08 M:56 G:419 L:1 S:17/28 BuildDrone
@5:09 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:13 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:25 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:27 M:150 G:491 L:2 S:18/28 BuildLair
@5:28 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:33 M:52 G:414 L:4 S:18/28 BuildDrone
@5:43 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:45 M:105 G:459 L:5 S:19/28 Metabolic Boost
@5:50 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:51 M:56 G:382 L:5 S:19/28 BuildDrone
@5:56 M:53 G:401 L:4 S:20/28 BuildDrone
@5:58 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:02 M:58 G:424 L:5 S:21/28 BuildDrone
@6:07 M:54 G:443 L:4 S:22/28 BuildDrone
@6:08 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:12 M:53 G:462 L:3 S:23/28 BuildDrone
@6:13 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:13 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:17 M:54 G:481 L:4 S:24/28 BuildDrone
@6:19 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:22 M:58 G:500 L:3 S:25/28 BuildDrone
@6:24 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:26 M:54 G:515 L:2 S:26/28 BuildDrone
@6:28 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:29 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:34 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:34 M:102 G:546 L:3 S:27/28 BuildOverlord
@6:39 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:43 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:43 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:47 Spawned: Lairs+1
@6:58 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:59 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:59 M:363 G:641 L:6 S:27/36 BuildQueen
@6:59 M:213 G:641 L:6 S:29/36 BuildQueen
@7:02 M:108 G:652 L:6 S:31/36 BuildHydraliskDen
@7:35 Evolved: Metabolic Boost
@7:42 Spawned: Hydralisk Den+1
@7:49 Spawned: Queen+1
@7:49 Spawned: Queen+1
@7:49 M:676 G:731 L:6 S:30/36 Burrow
@7:49 M:576 G:631 L:6 S:30/36 BuildSpire
@7:49 M:376 G:431 L:6 S:29/36 BuildInfestationPit
@7:49 M:276 G:331 L:6 S:28/36 Pneumatized Carapace
@7:49 M:176 G:231 L:6 S:28/36 Grooved Spines
@7:54 M:89 G:100 L:6 S:28/36 BuildOverseer
@8:03 M:153 G:34 L:6 S:28/28 BuildRoachWarren
@8:09 M:75 G:57 L:6 S:27/28 BuildEvolutionChamber
@8:11 Spawned: Overseer+1
@8:16 M:78 G:83 L:6 S:26/36 BuildEvolutionChamber
@8:21 M:56 G:102 L:6 S:25/36 BuildDrone
@8:26 M:59 G:121 L:5 S:26/36 BuildDrone
@8:30 M:51 G:136 L:4 S:27/36 BuildDrone
@8:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:35 M:54 G:155 L:11 S:28/36 BuildDrone
@8:36 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:38 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:39 Spawned: Infestation Pit+1
@8:40 M:57 G:174 L:10 S:29/36 BuildDrone
@8:43 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:44 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@8:44 M:52 G:190 L S:30/36 BuildDrone
@8:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:48 M:50 G:205 L:8 S:31/36 BuildDrone
@8:49 Evolved: Pneumatized Carapace
@8:51 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@8:52 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:52 M:51 G:220 L:7 S:32/36 BuildDrone
@8:55 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:56 M:54 G:235 L:6 S:33/36 BuildDrone
@8:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:58 Spawned: Roach Warren+1
@9:00 M:59 G:250 L:5 S:34/36 BuildDrone
@9:01 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:05 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:07 M:113 G:277 L:4 S:35/36 BuildOverlord
@9:09 Evolved: Grooved Spines
@9:09 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:10 M:60 G:288 L:3 S:35/36 BuildDrone
@9:11 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:13 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@9:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@9:26 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:27 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:29 Evolved: Burrow
@9:29 Spawned: Spire+1
@9:32 Spawned: Overlord+1
@9:32 M:397 G:372 L:12 S:36/44 BuildDrone
@9:32 M:347 G:372 L:11 S:37/44 BuildZergling
@9:32 M:297 G:372 L:10 S:38/44 Carapace +1
@9:32 M:147 G:222 L:10 S:38/44 BuildDrone
@9:38 M:208 G:245 L S:39/44 BuildHive
@9:47 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:53 M:290 G:152 L S:39/44 BuildInfestor
@9:56 Spawned: Zergling+2
@10:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@10:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@10:08 Spawned: Larva+1
@10:32 M62 G:150 L:16 S:41/44 Flyer Armor +1
@10:43 Spawned: Infestor+1
@10:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@10:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@10:59 M:1346 G:103 L:24 S:41/44 BuildMutalisk
@11:14 Spawned: Larva+1
@11:18 Spawned: Hives+1
@11:32 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@11:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@11:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@11:51 M:2276 G:200 L:31 S:43/44 BuildNydusNetwork
@11:51 M:2126 G:0 L:31 S:42/44 BuildDrone
@12:06 Spawned: Larva+1
@12:08 Spawned: Drone+1
@12:12 Evolved: Carapace +1
@12:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@12:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@12:41 Spawned: Nydus Network+1
@12:44 M:3114 G:202 L:38 S:43/44 BuildUltraliskCavern
@12:44 M:2964 G:2 L:38 S:42/44 BuildOverlord
@12:51 M:2998 G:28 L:37 S:42/44 BuildBaneling
@12:59 Spawned: Larva+1
@13:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@13:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@13:09 Spawned: Overlord+1
@13:11 Spawned: Baneling+1
@13:12 Evolved: Flyer Armor +1
@13:17 M:3471 G:102 L:45 S:42/52 Flyer Attacks +1
@13:43 M:3868 G:101 L:45 S:42/52 Melee +1
@13:49 Spawned: Ultralisk Cavern+1
@13:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@13:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@14:23 M:4534 G:153 L:53 S:42/52 Pathogen Glands
@14:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@14:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@15:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@15:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@15:57 Evolved: Flyer Attacks +1
@15:57 M:6185 G:360 L:69 S:42/52 Flyer Armor +2
@15:57 M:5960 G:135 L:69 S:42/52 BuildSporeCrawler
@16:01 M:5959 G:150 L:69 S:41/52 Chitinous Plating
@16:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@16:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@16:13 Evolved: Pathogen Glands
@16:23 Evolved: Melee +1
@16:47 Spawned: Spore Crawler+1
@16:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@16:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@17:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@17:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@17:51 Evolved: Chitinous Plating
@18:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@18:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@19:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@19:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@19:07 Evolved: Flyer Armor +2
@19:07 M250 G:707 L:109 S:41/52 Flyer Attacks +2
@19:07 M075 G:532 L:109 S:41/52 BuildCorruptor
@19:07 M:8925 G:432 L:108 S:43/52 Carapace +2
@19:07 M:8700 G:207 L:108 S:43/52 Melee +2
@19:22 Spawned: Larva+1
@19:47 Spawned: Corruptor+1
@19:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@19:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@20:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@20:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@21:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@21:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@22:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@22:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@22:17 Evolved: Flyer Attacks +2
@22:17 Evolved: Carapace +2
@22:17 Evolved: Melee +2
@22:17 M:12065 G:779 L:140 S:43/52 Missile +1
@22:17 M:11965 G:679 L:140 S:43/52 Flyer Attacks +3
@22:17 M:11715 G:429 L:140 S:43/52 BuildCorruptor
@22:17 M:11565 G:329 L:139 S:45/52 Carapace +3
@22:32 Spawned: Larva+1
@22:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@22:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@22:49 M:11857 G:151 L:147 S:45/52 Tunneling Claws
@22:49 M:11707 G:1 L:147 S:45/52 BuildOverlord
@22:49 M:11607 G:1 L:146 S:45/52 BuildOverlord
@22:49 M:11507 G:1 L:145 S:45/52 BuildOverlord
@22:57 Spawned: Corruptor+1
@23:04 Spawned: Larva+1
@23:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@23:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@23:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@23:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@23:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@24:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@24:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@24:39 Evolved: Tunneling Claws
@24:57 Evolved: Missile +1
@25:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@25:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@25:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@25:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@25:57 Evolved: Flyer Attacks +3
@25:57 Evolved: Carapace +3
@25:57 M:14885 G:715 L:176 S:45/76 Flyer Armor +3
@25:57 M:14585 G:415 L:176 S:45/76 BuildRoach
@25:57 M:14510 G:390 L:175 S:47/76 Neural Parasite
@25:57 M:14360 G:240 L:175 S:47/76 Missile +2
@25:57 M:14210 G0 L:175 S:47/76 BuildOverlord
@25:57 M:14110 G0 L:174 S:47/76 BuildOverlord
@25:57 M:14010 G0 L:173 S:47/76 BuildSpineCrawler
@25:57 M:13910 G0 L:173 S:46/76 BuildOverlord
@25:57 M:13810 G0 L:172 S:46/76 BuildOverlord
@25:57 M:13710 G0 L:171 S:46/76 BuildDrone
@26:12 Spawned: Larva+1
@26:14 Spawned: Drone+1
@26:22 Spawned: Overlord+1
@26:22 Spawned: Overlord+1
@26:22 Spawned: Overlord+1
@26:22 Spawned: Overlord+1
@26:24 Spawned: Roach+1
@26:26 M:14184 G:200 L:170 S:47/108 Ventral Sacs
@26:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@26:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@26:47 Spawned: Spine Crawler+1
@27:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@27:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@27:19 M:14965 G:202 L:186 S:47/108 Melee +3
@27:47 Evolved: Neural Parasite
@27:58 M:15486 G:150 L:186 S:47/108 BuildGreaterSpire
@28:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@28:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@28:25 M:15886 G:102 L:194 S:47/108 Glial Reconstitution
@28:36 Evolved: Ventral Sacs
@28:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@28:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@29:07 Evolved: Missile +2
@29:17 M:16748 G:200 L:202 S:47/108 Adrenal Glands
@29:31 M:16807 G:53 L:202 S:47/108 BuildHydralisk
@29:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@29:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@29:37 Evolved: Flyer Armor +3
@29:38 Spawned: Greater Spire+1
@29:46 Spawned: Larva+1
@30:04 Spawned: Hydralisk+1
@30:15 Evolved: Glial Reconstitution
@30:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@30:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@30:23 M:17669 G:201 L:217 S:49/108 Missile +3
@30:59 Evolved: Melee +3
@31:03 M:18209 G:153 L:217 S:49/108 BuildBroodLord
@31:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@31:04 Spawned: Larva+4
@31:27 Evolved: Adrenal Glands
@31:37 Spawned: Brood Lord+1
@31:42 M:18780 G:151 L:225 S:49/108 Centrifugal Hooks
@31:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@31:49 Spawned: Larva+4
@32:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@32:34 Spawned: Larva+4
@32:35 M:19611 G:202 L:241 S:49/108 BuildUltralisk
@32:50 Spawned: Larva+1
@33:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@33:19 Spawned: Larva+4
@33:27 M:20273 G:200 L:248 S:55/108 Melee +3
@33:27 M:20073 G:0 L:248 S:55/108 BuildExtractor
@33:32 Evolved: Centrifugal Hooks
@33:45 Spawned: Ultralisk+1
@33:57 Spawned: Extractor+1
@34:03 Evolved: Missile +3
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 114
---Final Output---
At time: 34:03
Minerals: 20675 Gas: 150 Supply: 54/108
Drones: 31
Overlords: 12
Overseers: 1
Queens: 2
Zerglings: 1
Banelings: 1
Roaches: 1
Hydralisks: 1
Infestors: 1
Mutalisks: 1
Corruptors: 1
Ultralisks: 1
Brood Lords: 1
Hatcheries: 1
Hives: 1
Gas Extractors: 3
Spawning Pools: 1
Baneling Nest: 1
Roach Warrens: 1
Hydralisk Den: 1
Infestation Pit: 1
Ultralisk Cavern: 1
Greater Spire: 1
Evolution Chambers: 2
Spine Crawlers: 1
Spore Crawlers: 1
Nydus Networks: 1
Melee +1
Melee +2
Melee +3
Missile +1
Missile +2
Missile +3
Armor +1
Armor +2
Armor +3
Flyer Attack +1
Flyer Attack +2
Flyer Attack +3
Flyer Armor +1
Flyer Armor +2
Flyer Armor +3
Metabolic Boost
Adrenal Glands
Glial Reconstitution
Tunneling Claws
Burrow
Pneumatized Carapace
Ventral Sacs
Centrifugal Hooks
Grooved Spines
Neural Parasite
Pathogen Glands
Chitinous Plating
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And in simple format:
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7 Overlord M:102 G:0
9 SpawningPool M:205 G:0
8 Extractor M:27 G:0
13 Hatchery M:303 G:152
12 Overlord M:105 G:182
12 BanelingNest M:100 G:210
11 Extractor M:28 G:170
18 Lair M:150 G:491
19 MetabolicBoost M:105 G:459
27 Overlord M:102 G:546
27 Queen M:363 G:641
29 Queen M:213 G:641
31 HydraliskDen M:108 G:652
30 Burrow M:676 G:731
30 Spire M:576 G:631
29 InfestationPit M:376 G:431
28 PneumatizedCarapace M:276 G:331
28 GroovedSpines M:176 G:231
28 Overseer M:89 G:100
28 RoachWarren M:153 G:34
27 EvolutionChamber M:75 G:57
26 EvolutionChamber M:78 G:83
34 Overlord M:102 G:262
37 Zergling M:269 G:357
38 Carapace1 M:219 G:357
39 Hive M:204 G:245
39 Infestor M:290 G:152
41 FlyerArmor1 M62 G:150
41 Mutalisk M:1347 G:103
43 NydusNetwork M:2277 G:200
43 UltraliskCavern M:3114 G:202
42 Overlord M:2964 G:2
42 Baneling M:2998 G:28
42 FlyerAttacks1 M:3471 G:102
42 Melee1 M:3869 G:101
42 PathogenGlands M:4535 G:153
42 FlyerArmor2 M:6185 G:360
42 SporeCrawler M:5960 G:135
41 ChitinousPlating M:5959 G:150
41 FlyerAttacks2 M250 G:707
41 Corruptor M075 G:532
43 Carapace2 M:8925 G:432
43 Melee2 M:8700 G:207
43 Missile1 M:12065 G:779
43 FlyerAttacks3 M:11965 G:679
43 Corruptor M:11715 G:429
45 Carapace3 M:11565 G:329
45 TunnelingClaws M:11857 G:151
45 Overlord M:11707 G:1
45 Overlord M:11607 G:1
45 Overlord M:11507 G:1
45 FlyerArmor3 M:14885 G:715
45 Roach M:14585 G:415
47 NeuralParasite M:14510 G:390
47 Missile2 M:14360 G:240
47 Overlord M:14210 G0
47 Overlord M:14110 G0
47 SpineCrawler M:14010 G0
46 Overlord M:13910 G0
46 Overlord M:13810 G0
47 VentralSacs M:14185 G:200
47 Melee3 M:14965 G:202
47 GreaterSpire M:15487 G:150
47 GlialReconstitution M:15886 G:102
47 AdrenalGlands M:16748 G:200
47 Hydralisk M:16807 G:53
49 Missile3 M:17669 G:201
49 BroodLord M:18209 G:153
49 CentrifugalHooks M:18781 G:151
49 Ultralisk M:19611 G:202
55 Melee3 M:20273 G:200
55 Extractor M:20073 G:0


9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
tetracycloide
Profile Joined July 2010
295 Posts
October 31 2010 01:41 GMT
#789
On October 31 2010 07:09 Bumblebees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 06:54 tetracycloide wrote:
On October 31 2010 04:33 Insanious wrote:
so at 40 drones, 3 gas, and 3 hatch means 2 base with 1 hatch in base

It looks to me like 40 drones are mining on 3 bases in this situation, not on 2 with one hatch in base. The mineral collection rates are too high for them to be on 2 bases only.


No.

You assume it's splitting workers evenly across available mineral patches. So if there's 40 drones and 3 extractors, it's only mining 40 - 3*3 = 31 from minerals. Since the mining rates don't change for for each worker added to a mineral patch until there's 3, that's only 15.5 mineral patches that need to be mined. That is 2 bases.


And if it's at 0 gas and 40 drones it automatically assumes I want a 3rd base, no? I'd like a way to say get a hatch in base, not at an expo, regardless of the saturation level. Why am I being fought on this? It seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to ask for given how common the situation is.
My vanity is justified
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
October 31 2010 03:44 GMT
#790
On October 31 2010 10:41 tetracycloide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 07:09 Bumblebees wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:54 tetracycloide wrote:
On October 31 2010 04:33 Insanious wrote:
so at 40 drones, 3 gas, and 3 hatch means 2 base with 1 hatch in base

It looks to me like 40 drones are mining on 3 bases in this situation, not on 2 with one hatch in base. The mineral collection rates are too high for them to be on 2 bases only.


No.

You assume it's splitting workers evenly across available mineral patches. So if there's 40 drones and 3 extractors, it's only mining 40 - 3*3 = 31 from minerals. Since the mining rates don't change for for each worker added to a mineral patch until there's 3, that's only 15.5 mineral patches that need to be mined. That is 2 bases.


And if it's at 0 gas and 40 drones it automatically assumes I want a 3rd base, no? I'd like a way to say get a hatch in base, not at an expo, regardless of the saturation level. Why am I being fought on this? It seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to ask for given how common the situation is.

So tell me please, in what situation in a game, will you ever be at 3 hatch only lings, no speed? Just Wondering...

There is not a point in a game where you will get to 44 food(40 drones + 2 queens) in drones and get no gas (so no teching, only lings, no speed, no upgs... ya...) Now say you get to 44 drones (full gas, full 16 on mins each) Now what? Well at 48 food (44 drones + 2 queens) in economy I'm hoping you have a bit of an army, and are thinking of taking a 3rd anyway...

Really, the way that I described for whether to take an expo or build in base makes sence for an in game perspective...

Take another base if:
1) Need more gas
2) Need more mins

Make in base if:
1) Just need more larva

Just like in a real game and as such... you will take an expo when you are at 44 drones, below that you still make in base, and continue like this for a while...
If you want to help me out... http://signup.leagueoflegends.com/?ref=4b82744b816d3
Zerebreat
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany32 Posts
October 31 2010 09:06 GMT
#791
Would it be possible to manually create seeds for this algorithm?
shublar
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Korea (South)264 Posts
October 31 2010 10:39 GMT
#792
is the sourcecode public? I'd like to try and possibly modify this to include zerg and terran?
@eugmak - www.twitch.tv/shublar - www.ausproleague.com
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
October 31 2010 10:52 GMT
#793
On October 31 2010 19:39 shublar wrote:
is the sourcecode public? I'd like to try and possibly modify this to include zerg and terran?


I think you meant to say protoss and terran. Yes the sourcecode is public, see the first post in this thread. Please do make a protoss and terran version, lots of us are waiting for them.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
sk`
Profile Joined November 2008
Japan442 Posts
October 31 2010 14:35 GMT
#794
Is there any place were the builds this thing have found are compiled?
www.pureesports.com
Zerebreat
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany32 Posts
October 31 2010 17:58 GMT
#795
I would also like the option of saving all successful builds. Mainly because i like to watch things like this develop. It went from 7 Hatch 9 Pool or smth to 14 Hatch 13 Pool in one example which was pretty fun to see.
AmaZing
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Nepal299 Posts
October 31 2010 19:06 GMT
#796
has anyone talked about queen placing down creep tumors as well? i would like that to be implemented. Sometimes Creep is more important than larva
ಠ_ಠ
Stone
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom155 Posts
October 31 2010 19:18 GMT
#797
can the the "deadline" be reduced automaticly after the first sucessful build time to a second or two above this time to increase played/second rate.

someone mentioned earlier that they were getting */200 pop, excessive overlord production. i also have this issue when i set 48 drones and change no other settings.
Bumblebees
Profile Joined August 2010
United States328 Posts
October 31 2010 19:29 GMT
#798
On November 01 2010 04:06 AmaZing wrote:
has anyone talked about queen placing down creep tumors as well? i would like that to be implemented. Sometimes Creep is more important than larva


I'm adding that today.
Bumblebees
Profile Joined August 2010
United States328 Posts
October 31 2010 19:30 GMT
#799
On November 01 2010 04:18 Stone[MB] wrote:
can the the "deadline" be reduced automaticly after the first sucessful build time to a second or two above this time to increase played/second rate.

someone mentioned earlier that they were getting */200 pop, excessive overlord production. i also have this issue when i set 48 drones and change no other settings.


I committed a fix for the overlord overmaking last night. It should help, but it needs to be tested.
Nomi
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2 Posts
November 01 2010 08:37 GMT
#800
The only thing I would like to see if it can go faster (to make it more dynamically usable in games >:D)

I really really like this though. Good Job :B
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