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Mushin

United Kingdom15 Posts

October 27 2010 18:23 GMT

#741

On October 28 2010 01:36 Mushin wrote:

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How soon do you want the lings?

I'm running it now to get 4 lings @ 3:30 and spire final.

Here's the build order:

4 lings @ 3:30, spire and 30 drones at final
After 100 million games
http://pastebin.com/Hz1Z9kmQ

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10 Extractor M:106 G:0
10 SpawningPool M:201 G:0
9 Overlord M:103 G:0
10 +1 Drone on gas M:3 G:0
10 +1 Drone on gas M:3 G:0
15 Zergling M:187 G

2
16 Lair M:190 G:100
16 +1 Drone on gas M:40 G:0
16 Zergling M:118 G:17
18 Hatchery M:301 G:80
18 Overlord M:106 G:114
19 Queen M:184 G:161
21 Spire M:230 G:201
20 +1 Drone on minerals M:30 G:1
25 +1 Drone on minerals M:177 G:54
25 Overlord M:177 G:54
25 Queen M:155 G:59
28 ExtractorTrick M:76 G:65
32 +1 Drone on gas M:166 G:80
32 Overlord M:166 G:80
36 +1 Drone on gas M:253 G:113

jdelator

United States89 Posts

October 27 2010 18:56 GMT

#742

On October 27 2010 19:15 Grimmy wrote:

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You're just throwing keywords around that you heard somewhere. Minmax is nowhere near suitable for this. Minmax evaluates your gain vs your opponents gain for each choice. Graphs have loops in them which is not what you want here, you want a tree.

You want to use either GA (like the OP has) or you want a tree with A* heuristic expansion.

Hey let's not be hostile because you know some words too. I'm not throwing words out there. I'm fully aware what these words mean. GA is not optimal. Minmax looks way faster. Each decision is based on what you need to build next. The cost is time to get the new thing built/ (whether building or unit). The cost is also dependent based on your current situation. It should be obvious how you can initially bound the search space. The specific algorithm is alpha beta pruning.

And yes we all have our extensive backgrounds and presitigous jobs, there is no need berate anyone.

And yes words don't mean anything. I'll get a prototype (by the end of this week) of what I think is optimal.

Bumblebees

United States328 Posts

October 27 2010 19:29 GMT

#743

On October 28 2010 03:56 jdelator wrote:

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It was discussed lightly earlier, but including a PVS initially will provide significant gains for this particular problem. The 'position' of all states have a fairly determinate principal variation given the fairly linear nature of income and tech-trees.

Dudemeister

Sweden314 Posts

October 27 2010 21:30 GMT

#744

Fake fast expand in to 7RR:

10 Overlord M:106 G:0
10 ExtractorTrick M:76 G:0
14 Extractor M:83 G:0
14 SpawningPool M:203 G:0
13 +1 Drone on gas M:64 G:0
13 Hatchery M:302 G:18
12 Overlord M:104 G:27
12 +1 Drone on gas M:122 G:38
12 RoachWarren M:150 G:43
11 +1 Drone on gas M:350 G:120
11 Roach M:350 G:120
13 Roach M:286 G

8
15 Roach M:211 G:73
17 Roach M:210 G:73
19 Roach M:135 G:48
21 Roach M:150 G:51
23 Roach M:75 G:26

Time: 4:53
Terrible economy (11d) but possibility to just add drones while you push without getting the diminishing returns that you would off one base. Potential to catch the opponent off guard.

Bumblebees

United States328 Posts

October 27 2010 22:44 GMT

#745

On October 28 2010 06:30 Dudemeister wrote:
Fake fast expand in to 7RR:

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10 Overlord M:106 G:0
10 ExtractorTrick M:76 G:0
14 Extractor M:83 G:0
14 SpawningPool M:203 G:0
13 +1 Drone on gas M:64 G:0
13 Hatchery M:302 G:18
12 Overlord M:104 G:27
12 +1 Drone on gas M:122 G:38
12 RoachWarren M:150 G:43
11 +1 Drone on gas M:350 G:120
11 Roach M:350 G:120
13 Roach M:286 G

8
15 Roach M:211 G:73
17 Roach M:210 G:73
19 Roach M:135 G:48
21 Roach M:150 G:51
23 Roach M:75 G:26

Time: 4:53

Terrible economy (11d) but possibility to just add drones while you push without getting the diminishing returns that you would off one base. Potential to catch the opponent off guard.

It can be done much better.

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10 Overlord M:106 G:0
10 ExtractorTrick M:76 G:0
14 SpawningPool M:203 G:0
16 Extractor M:142 G:0
16 Overlord M:370 G:0
16 +1 Drone on gas M:270 G:0
16 RoachWarren M:310 G:2
15 Queen M:160 G:2
17 +1 Drone on gas M:119 G

18 +1 Drone on gas M:69 G

18 Hatchery M:307 G:59
18 Overlord M:103 G

2
18 Roach M:83 G:109
20 Roach M:82 G

9
22 Roach M:136 G:101
24 +1 Drone on minerals M:107 G:85
24 Roach M:146 G

1
26 Roach M:81 G:67
28 Roach M:75 G:52
30 Roach M:80 G:38

Dudemeister

Sweden314 Posts

October 27 2010 22:58 GMT

#746

Whats the time?
And thats a roach warren before hatch so can't fool your opponent as easily

Derin

Ukraine6 Posts

October 28 2010 01:16 GMT

#747

So I'm still having issues with 0017 version.
This time I chose really simple requirements with a couple of waypoints.

WP2 - 2 muta - 9:0
WP3 - 5 muta - 12:0
Final - 10 muta with +1 attack - 120:0

I ran both 0017 and 0015 for about 10 hours.

0015 did just fine
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@0:00 M:50 G:0 L:3 S:6/10 BuildDrone
@0:12 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:7/10 BuildDrone
@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:23 M:53 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@0:29 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:32 M:50 G:0 L:2 S

/10 BuildDrone
@0:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:49 M:104 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildOverlord
@0:59 M:75 G:0 L:1 S:10/10 ExtractorTrick
@0:59 M:50 G:0 L:1 S

/10 BuildDrone
@1:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:01 Spawned: Extractor Trick Finished, Drone Restored
@1:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@1:14 M:124 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@1:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:15 M:81 G:0 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@1:16 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:30 M:149 G:0 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@1:31 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:41 M:200 G:0 L:0 S:14/18 BuildSpawningPool
@1:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:45 M:35 G:0 L:1 S:13/18 BuildExtractor
@1:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:50 M:52 G:0 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@1:53 M:28 G:0 L:0 S:13/18 BuildExtractor
@2:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:00 M:58 G:0 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@2:07 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:15 Spawned: Extractor+1
@2:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:15 M:130 G:1 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@2:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:23 Spawned: Extractor+1
@2:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:30 M:168 G:45 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:45 M:202 G:102 L:1 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@2:46 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@2:46 M:157 G:106 L:0 S:16/18 BuildLair
@2:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:01 M:103 G:63 L:1 S:16/18 BuildOverlord
@3:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:15 M:102 G:116 L:1 S:16/18 BuildDrone
@3:26 Spawned: Overlord+1
@3:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:30 M:159 G:173 L:1 S:17/26 BuildDrone
@3:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:45 M:226 G:230 L:1 S:18/26 BuildDrone
@3:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:00 M:304 G:287 L:1 S:19/26 BuildDrone
@4:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:06 Spawned: Lairs+1
@4:06 M:309 G:310 L:0 S:20/26 BuildSpire
@4:11 M:152 G:129 L:0 S:19/26 BuildQueen
@4:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:17 M:54 G:152 L:1 S:21/26 BuildDrone
@4:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:34 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:48 M:300 G:270 L:2 S:22/26 BuildHatchery
@4:54 M:56 G:292 L:2 S:21/26 BuildDrone
@4:59 M:52 G:311 L:1 S:22/26 BuildDrone
@5:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:01 Spawned: Queen+1
@5:05 M:58 G:334 L:1 S:23/26 BuildDrone
@5:11 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:15 M:103 G:372 L:1 S:24/26 BuildOverlord
@5:16 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:22 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:30 M:167 G:429 L:1 S:24/26 BuildDrone
@5:40 Spawned: Overlord+1
@5:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:45 M:285 G:486 L:1 S:25/34 BuildDrone
@5:46 Spawned: Spire+1
@5:46 Spawned: Larva+4
@5:46 M:247 G:490 L:4 S:26/34 BuildDrone
@5:46 M:197 G:490 L:3 S:27/34 BuildDrone
@5:46 M:147 G:490 L:2 S:28/34 Flyer Attacks +1
@5:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:47 M:58 G:394 L:2 S:28/34 BuildDrone
@5:51 M:54 G:409 L:1 S:29/34 BuildDrone
@6:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:00 M:106 G:443 L:1 S:30/34 BuildDrone
@6:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:03 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:03 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:04 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:08 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:15 M:243 G:500 L:1 S:31/34 BuildDrone
@6:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:17 M:219 G:508 L:0 S:32/34 BuildExtractor
@6:28 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@6:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:30 M:369 G:557 L:2 S:31/36 BuildDrone
@6:30 M:319 G:557 L:1 S:32/36 BuildDrone
@6:31 Spawned: Larva+4
@6:31 M:285 G:561 L:4 S:33/36 BuildDrone
@6:31 M:235 G:561 L:3 S:34/36 BuildOverlord
@6:31 M:135 G:561 L:2 S:34/36 BuildDrone
@6:31 M:85 G:561 L:1 S:35/36 BuildDrone
@6:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:45 M:265 G:614 L:2 S:36/36 BuildOverlord
@6:45 M:165 G:614 L:1 S:36/36 ExtractorTrick
@6:45 M:140 G:614 L:1 S:35/36 BuildDrone
@6:47 Spawned: Extractor+1
@6:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:47 Spawned: Extractor Trick Finished, Drone Restored
@6:48 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:48 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:48 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:56 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:00 M:373 G:698 L:2 S:37/44 BuildOverlord
@7:00 M:273 G:698 L:1 S:37/44 BuildMutalisk
@7:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:10 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:15 M:450 G:683 L:2 S:39/52 BuildMutalisk
@7:15 M:350 G:583 L:1 S:41/52 BuildMutalisk
@7:16 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:16 M:268 G:489 L:4 S:43/52 BuildMutalisk
@7:16 M:168 G:389 L:3 S:45/52 BuildMutalisk
@7:18 M:105 G:300 L:2 S:47/52 BuildOverlord
@7:24 M:116 G:335 L:1 S:47/52 BuildMutalisk
@7:25 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:30 M:127 G:269 L:2 S:49/60 BuildMutalisk
@7:33 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:34 M:101 G:192 L:1 S:51/60 BuildMutalisk
@7:43 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:45 M:205 G:154 L:2 S:53/68 BuildMutalisk
@7:48 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:48 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:49 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:49 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:53 M:253 G:100 L:1 S:55/68 BuildMutalisk
@7:57 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:00 M:282 G:40 L:2 S:57/68 BuildDrone
@8:00 M:232 G:40 L:1 S:58/68 BuildDrone
@8:01 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:01 M:201 G:45 L:4 S:59/68 BuildOverlord
@8:01 M:101 G:45 L:3 S:59/68 BuildOverlord
@8:03 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:04 M:56 G:63 L:2 S:59/68 BuildDrone
@8:07 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:07 M:62 G:80 L:1 S:60/68 BuildDrone
@8:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:18 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:21 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:24 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:26 Evolved: Flyer Attacks +1
@8:26 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:26 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:26 Spawned: Overlord+1
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 75
---Final Output---
At time: 8:26
Minerals: 382 Gas: 188 Supply: 61/84
Drones: 39
Overlords: 10
Queens: 1
Mutalisks: 10
Hatcheries: 1
Lairs: 1
Gas Extractors: 3
Spawning Pools: 1
Spire: 1
Flyer Attack +1

0017 didn't build any extractors for some reason and failed
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@0:00 M:50 G:0 L:3 S:6/10 BuildDrone
@0:13 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:7/10 BuildDrone
@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:24 M:52 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@0:30 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:41 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:43 M:105 G:0 L:2 S

/10 BuildOverlord
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:51 M:56 G:0 L:2 S

/10 BuildDrone
@1:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:08 Spawned: Overlord+1
@1:08 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:08 M:114 G:0 L:2 S:10/18 BuildDrone
@1:08 M:64 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@1:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:15 M:63 G:0 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@1:25 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:25 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:50 M:308 G:0 L:2 S:13/18 BuildHatchery
@1:55 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@2:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:01 M:53 G:0 L:2 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@2:07 M:54 G:0 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:12 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:15 M:74 G:0 L:1 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@2:18 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:24 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:30 M:174 G:0 L:1 S:16/18 BuildDrone
@2:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:45 M:290 G:0 L:1 S:17/18 BuildOverlord
@2:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:00 M:360 G:0 L:1 S:17/18 BuildDrone
@3:00 M:310 G:0 L:0 S:18/18 BuildHatchery
@3:10 Spawned: Overlord+1
@3:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:15 M:178 G:0 L:1 S:17/26 BuildDrone
@3:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:30 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@3:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:30 M:299 G:0 L:2 S:18/28 BuildDrone
@3:30 M:249 G:0 L:1 S:19/28 BuildDrone
@3:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:45 M:387 G:0 L:2 S:20/28 BuildDrone
@3:45 M:337 G:0 L:1 S:21/28 BuildDrone
@3:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:00 M:496 G:0 L:2 S:22/28 BuildDrone
@4:00 M:446 G:0 L:1 S:23/28 BuildDrone
@4:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:15 M:627 G:0 L:2 S:24/28 BuildDrone
@4:15 M:577 G:0 L:1 S:25/28 BuildSpawningPool
@4:15 M:377 G:0 L:1 S:24/28 BuildHatchery
@4:15 M:77 G:0 L:1 S:23/28 BuildDrone
@4:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:30 M:258 G:0 L:2 S:24/28 BuildDrone
@4:30 M:208 G:0 L:1 S:25/28 BuildOverlord
@4:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:40 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@4:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:45 M:359 G:0 L:3 S:25/30 BuildDrone
@4:45 M:309 G:0 L:2 S:26/30 BuildDrone
@4:45 M:259 G:0 L:1 S:27/30 BuildDrone
@4:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:55 Spawned: Overlord+1
@5:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:00 M:470 G:0 L:3 S:28/38 BuildDrone
@5:00 M:420 G:0 L:2 S:29/38 BuildDrone
@5:00 M:370 G:0 L:1 S:30/38 BuildDrone
@5:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:15 M:610 G:0 L:3 S:31/38 BuildDrone
@5:15 M:560 G:0 L:2 S:32/38 BuildOverlord
@5:15 M:460 G:0 L:1 S:32/38 BuildDrone
@5:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:20 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@5:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:30 M:734 G:0 L:3 S:33/38 BuildDrone
@5:30 M:684 G:0 L:2 S:34/38 BuildQueen
@5:30 M:534 G:0 L:2 S:36/38 BuildDrone
@5:30 M:484 G:0 L:1 S:37/38 BuildDrone
@5:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:40 Spawned: Overlord+1
@5:40 M:665 G:0 L:0 S:38/46 BuildQueen
@5:40 M:515 G:0 L:0 S:40/46 BuildQueen
@5:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:45 M:483 G:0 L:3 S:42/46 BuildDrone
@5:45 M:433 G:0 L:2 S:43/46 BuildDrone
@5:45 M:383 G:0 L:1 S:44/46 BuildOverlord
@5:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:55 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@6:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:00 M:661 G:0 L:4 S:44/48 BuildOverlord
@6:00 M:561 G:0 L:3 S:44/48 BuildOverlord
@6:00 M:461 G:0 L:2 S:44/48 BuildOverlord
@6:00 M:361 G:0 L:1 S:44/48 BuildOverlord
@6:00 M:261 G:0 L:0 S:44/48 BuildQueen
@6:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:08 M:321 G:0 L:0 S:46/48 BuildHatchery
@6:10 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:19 M:309 G:0 L:4 S:45/56 BuildHatchery
@6:20 Spawned: Queen+1
@6:23 M:111 G:0 L:4 S:44/56 BuildOverlord
@6:25 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:25 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:25 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:25 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:29 M:163 G:0 L:3 S:44/88 BuildQueen
@6:30 Spawned: Queen+1
@6:30 Spawned: Queen+1
@6:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:33 M:115 G:0 L:7 S:46/88 BuildOverlord
@6:39 M:167 G:0 L:6 S:46/88 BuildQueen
@6:43 M:119 G:0 L:6 S:48/88 BuildOverlord
@6:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:47 M:120 G:0 L

S:48/88 BuildOverlord
@6:48 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:50 Spawned: Queen+1
@6:53 M:173 G:0 L:8 S:48/96 BuildQueen
@6:58 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:58 M:150 G:0 L:8 S:50/104 BuildQueen
@7:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:02 M:101 G:0 L:12 S:52/104 BuildOverlord
@7:05 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:06 M:103 G:0 L:15 S:52/104 BuildOverlord
@7:08 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:12 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:15 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:15 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:17 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:18 M:308 G:0 L:22 S:52/120 BuildHatchery
@7:19 Spawned: Queen+1
@7:22 M:106 G:0 L:22 S:51/120 BuildOverlord
@7:27 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:28 M:154 G:0 L:21 S:51/128 BuildQueen
@7:29 Spawned: Queen+1
@7:31 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:32 M:103 G:0 L:21 S:53/136 BuildOverlord
@7:35 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:37 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:38 M:151 G:0 L:24 S:53/136 BuildQueen
@7:43 Spawned: Queen+1
@7:43 M:124 G:0 L:24 S:55/136 BuildOverlord
@7:47 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:48 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@7:48 Spawned: Queen+1
@7:49 M:172 G:0 L:23 S:55/146 BuildQueen
@7:50 Spawned: Larva+4
@7:55 M:170 G:0 L:27 S:57/146 BuildQueen
@7:57 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:58 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:59 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@8:00 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:00 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:01 M:170 G:0 L:35 S:59/156 BuildQueen
@8:07 M:171 G:0 L:35 S:61/156 BuildQueen
@8:08 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:11 M:122 G:0 L:35 S:63/164 BuildOverlord
@8:15 M:122 G:0 L:34 S:63/164 BuildOverlord
@8:18 Spawned: Queen+1
@8:19 M:123 G:0 L:33 S:63/164 BuildOverlord
@8:20 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:23 M:123 G:0 L:36 S:63/164 BuildOverlord
@8:26 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:27 M:124 G:0 L:35 S:63/164 BuildOverlord
@8:28 Spawned: Queen+1
@8:30 M:100 G:0 L:34 S:63/164 BuildOverlord
@8:33 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:35 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:36 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:39 Spawned: Queen+1
@8:40 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:42 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:44 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:44 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:45 Spawned: Queen+1
@8:45 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:45 Spawned: Larva+4
@8:48 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:51 Spawned: Queen+1
@8:52 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:55 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:57 Spawned: Queen+1
@8:58 Spawned: Hatchery+1
Failed to meet waypoint. BuildLair
At time: 9:00
Minerals: 755 Gas: 0 Supply: 63/200
Drones: 35
Overlords: 25
Queens: 14
Hatcheries: 7
Spawning Pools: 1

Am I doing something wrong or it's just a bug?

Edit: And when I removed waypoints and left just the final portion it found a build pretty quickly

Dionyseus

United States2068 Posts

October 28 2010 07:46 GMT

#748

On October 28 2010 10:16 Derin wrote:
So I'm still having issues with 0017 version.
This time I chose really simple requirements with a couple of waypoints.

WP2 - 2 muta - 9:0
WP3 - 5 muta - 12:0
Final - 10 muta with +1 attack - 120:0

I ran both 0017 and 0015 for about 10 hours.

0015 did just fine
+ Show Spoiler +

/10 BuildDrone
@0:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:49 M:104 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildOverlord
@0:59 M:75 G:0 L:1 S:10/10 ExtractorTrick
@0:59 M:50 G:0 L:1 S

0017 didn't build any extractors for some reason and failed
+ Show Spoiler +

/10 BuildOverlord
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:51 M:56 G:0 L:2 S

Am I doing something wrong or it's just a bug?

Edit: And when I removed waypoints and left just the final portion it found a build pretty quickly

Seems to be working for me, 10 mutas with +1 flyer attack at 9:02:
+ Show Spoiler +

/10 BuildDrone
@0:41 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:51 M:106 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildOverlord
@1:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:16 Spawned: Overlord+1
@1:16 M:182 G:0 L:3 S:10/18 BuildDrone
@1:26 M:203 G:0 L:2 S:11/18 BuildSpawningPool
@1:30 M:29 G:0 L:2 S:10/18 BuildExtractor
@1:31 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:33 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:38 M:52 G:0 L:3 S

/18 BuildDrone
@1:42 M:27 G:0 L:2 S:10/18 BuildExtractor
@1:53 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:55 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:00 Spawned: Extractor+1
@2:00 M:106 G:0 L:3 S

/18 BuildOverlord
@2:00 M:6 G:0 L:2 S

/18 MineGas
@2:02 Mining: +1 on gas
@2:08 M:51 G:4 L:2 S

/18 BuildDrone
@2:08 M:1 G:4 L:1 S:10/18 MineGas
@2:10 Mining: +1 on gas
@2:12 Spawned: Extractor+1
@2:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:18 M:50 G:18 L:2 S:10/18 BuildDrone
@2:18 M:0 G:18 L:1 S:11/18 MineGas
@2:18 M:0 G:18 L:1 S:11/18 MineGas
@2:20 Mining: +1 on gas
@2:20 Mining: +1 on gas
@2:25 Spawned: Overlord+1
@2:25 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:31 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@2:31 M:51 G:53 L:2 S:11/26 BuildDrone
@2:35 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:42 M:52 G:83 L:1 S:12/26 BuildDrone
@2:42 M:2 G:83 L:0 S:13/26 MineGas
@2:42 M:2 G:83 L:0 S:13/26 MineGas
@2:44 Mining: +1 on gas
@2:44 Mining: +1 on gas
@2:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:48 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:59 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:16 M:154 G:212 L:3 S:13/26 BuildLair
@4:36 Spawned: Lairs+1
@4:36 M:400 G:416 L:3 S:13/26 BuildSpire
@6:16 Spawned: Spire+1
@6:16 M:630 G:596 L:3 S:12/26 BuildMutalisk
@6:16 M:530 G:496 L:2 S:14/26 BuildOverlord
@6:16 M:430 G:496 L:1 S:14/26 BuildMutalisk
@6:16 M:330 G:396 L:0 S:16/26 Flyer Attacks +1
@6:31 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:31 M:295 G:353 L:1 S:16/26 BuildMutalisk
@6:41 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:46 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:46 M:259 G:310 L:1 S:18/34 BuildMutalisk
@6:49 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@6:49 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:01 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:01 M:224 G:267 L:1 S:20/34 BuildMutalisk
@7:04 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:16 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:16 M:188 G:224 L:1 S:22/34 BuildMutalisk
@7:19 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:31 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:31 M:153 G:181 L:1 S:24/34 BuildMutalisk
@7:34 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@7:46 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:46 M:117 G:138 L:1 S:26/34 BuildMutalisk
@7:49 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:01 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:04 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:06 M:103 G:114 L:1 S:28/34 BuildMutalisk
@8:16 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:19 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:29 M:102 G:101 L:1 S:30/34 BuildMutalisk
@8:31 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:39 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:41 M:54 G:47 L:1 S:32/34 BuildDrone
@8:46 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:56 Evolved: Flyer Attacks +1
@8:58 Spawned: Drone+1
---Waypoint 0---
At time: 9:00
Minerals: 86 Gas: 119 Supply: 33/34
Drones: 13
Overlords: 4
Mutalisks: 9
Lairs: 1
Gas Extractors: 2
Spawning Pools: 1
Spire: 1
Flyer Attack +1
----------------
@9:01 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:02 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 40
---Final Output---
At time: 9:02
Minerals: 96 Gas: 127 Supply: 33/34
Drones: 13
Overlords: 4
Mutalisks: 10
Lairs: 1
Gas Extractors: 2
Spawning Pools: 1
Spire: 1
Flyer Attack +1
------------------
Thu Oct 28 03:45:43 EDT 2010: 394416.8952484443

and in simple format:
10 Overlord M:106 G:0
11 SpawningPool M:203 G:0
10 Extractor M:29 G:0
10 Extractor M:27 G:0
9 Overlord M:106 G:0
9 +1 Drone on gas M:6 G:0
10 +1 Drone on gas M:1 G:4
11 +1 Drone on gas M:0 G:18
11 +1 Drone on gas M:0 G:18
13 +1 Drone on gas M:2 G:83
13 +1 Drone on gas M:2 G:83
13 Lair M:154 G:212
13 Spire M:400 G:416
12 Mutalisk M:630 G:596
14 Overlord M:530 G:496
14 Mutalisk M:430 G:496
16 FlyerAttacks1 M:330 G:396
16 Mutalisk M:295 G:353
18 Mutalisk M:259 G:310
20 Mutalisk M:224 G:267
22 Mutalisk M:188 G:224
24 Mutalisk M:153 G:181
26 Mutalisk M:117 G:138
28 Mutalisk M:103 G:114
30 Mutalisk M:102 G:101

goldrush

Canada709 Posts

October 28 2010 17:13 GMT

#749

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Overseer

According to that site, the Overseer provides the same unit command as the Overlord that it evolves from (in other words, the supply cap doesn't change).

This might be taken into account in the final stats but it doesn't display it when showing the build order.

Lomilar

United States130 Posts

October 28 2010 18:58 GMT

#750

Hey all. I am going to Washington DC this weekend and will be out for part of the next week, so I'll be around sparingly until then, and then very little during the trip. Keep finding those bugs, and keep breaking the metagame! Sorry I haven't been around, busy busy.

We have a very good group of people implementing enhancements and fixing bugs, so my next goal (after implementing a starting configuration, so you can see how to transition from one build to another build, and create something resembling build 'trees') is to start coding up terran/protoss.

Cheers!

Bumblebees

United States328 Posts

October 28 2010 19:22 GMT

#751

On October 28 2010 07:58 Dudemeister wrote:
Whats the time?
And thats a roach warren before hatch so can't fool your opponent as easily

Time was 5:00

I don't see how it "fools" better, since it gets the hatchery less than a minute later, but is making more drones. Either way a scout is going to see extra drones on the way in, and a hatchery on the way out.

Telefonmann

Germany111 Posts

October 29 2010 08:22 GMT

#752

Hi Guys,

I think its my first time posting so plz apologize if i brake any Rules :-)

I am very excited about the amazing stuff you build. I tried it at my home pc and got addicted to it right away. Remindes my of my old Spreedsheet studiing times in warcraft.

I would like to install it now at my office. As a media Guy i work with a Mac and there goes my Problem.

When i try to run the app i will give me an error code. I updated to latest of Mac´s Java version.
So is this a known Problem or am i the only one or am i missing some 3rdd party software i need to run.

Anyways Keep up your stuff and big thx for this awesome tool

metigue

United Kingdom24 Posts

October 29 2010 13:13 GMT

#753

6 Hydralisks at 5 minutes :D

Bumblebees

United States328 Posts

October 29 2010 14:33 GMT

#754

On October 29 2010 17:22 Telefonmann wrote:
Hi Guys,

I think its my first time posting so plz apologize if i brake any Rules :-)

I am very excited about the amazing stuff you build. I tried it at my home pc and got addicted to it right away. Remindes my of my old Spreedsheet studiing times in warcraft.

I would like to install it now at my office. As a media Guy i work with a Mac and there goes my Problem.

When i try to run the app i will give me an error code. I updated to latest of Mac´s Java version.
So is this a known Problem or am i the only one or am i missing some 3rdd party software i need to run.

Anyways Keep up your stuff and big thx for this awesome tool

We need to know the error to help you.

DoubleReed

United States4130 Posts

October 29 2010 17:54 GMT

#755

Minor adjustment: It would be nice to know how much larva (if any) you have at the final output.

Roaming

United States239 Posts

October 29 2010 18:40 GMT

#756

Does this take spawn larva into account when the queen pops?

Bumblebees

United States328 Posts

October 29 2010 20:25 GMT

#757

On October 30 2010 03:40 Roaming wrote:
Does this take spawn larva into account when the queen pops?

Yes.

There was a bug that let it let it spawn larva "forever" with a queen, but I fixed that today. Should be in the next update.

Jaal

United States61 Posts

October 29 2010 21:38 GMT

#758

Would it be possible to include the number of creep tumors in waypoints and final output?

mulander

Poland19 Posts

October 29 2010 23:31 GMT

#759

On October 30 2010 06:38 Jaal wrote:
Would it be possible to include the number of creep tumors in waypoints and final output?

This feature request has already been reported. If you want to see it implemented follow the link and click the star next to the issue name. The number of stars an issue gets allows us to prioritize our work on what people actually want.

schisch

Germany123 Posts

October 29 2010 23:33 GMT

#760

thank you for this great tool!

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