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Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
October 11 2010 09:16 GMT
#1
So, someone has finally gotten every achievement in the game so far.

http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/305393/1/잉여/achievements/category/4325394

He has 800 FFA wins, 3000 Solo wins, 3000 team wins, all Co-op.. everything.

Is that messed up or what? The guy must of been sharing the account with 2-3 people, theres no way one person could do all this in the short time span the games been out (and wasnt it later in korea?) .. Just the 800 FFA alone must of took forever, considering the average FFA game is ~30 mins, thats 200+ hours right there.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
October 11 2010 09:17 GMT
#2
Holy Check!!
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
October 11 2010 09:17 GMT
#3
I can't believe people actually care about achievements, he's probably like "shit, now what?"
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
October 11 2010 09:18 GMT
#4
what about the combat achievments and stuff like that? i Cant read koren
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
October 11 2010 09:18 GMT
#5
On October 11 2010 18:17 mierin wrote:
Holy Check!!

OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 09:21:25
October 11 2010 09:19 GMT
#6
On October 11 2010 18:17 mierin wrote:
Holy Check!!

you said it man! nobody fucks with the holy check
oh man how can this guy play so much!
i dunno lol
Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
October 11 2010 09:26 GMT
#7
i herd achievements meant something ya?

he just has a lot of time on his hands.
I'm like badass squared | KeitZer.489
awha
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1358 Posts
October 11 2010 09:26 GMT
#8
that is pretty amazing, what an accomplishment!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 11 2010 09:27 GMT
#9
Ohhh boy. I wonder if he did this alone. Can't be. Right?
I had a good night of sleep.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 11 2010 09:30 GMT
#10
Impressive. XD
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Kazam
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia21 Posts
October 11 2010 09:32 GMT
#11
HACKS!!! lol jk i'm not boxcutter
it is called Starc Raft Tew, not StarCraft 2...
SiDX
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand1975 Posts
October 11 2010 09:35 GMT
#12
A prime example of WoW grinders switching to SC2
gn1k
Profile Joined July 2010
United States441 Posts
October 11 2010 09:35 GMT
#13
He should get a special achievement for this. Also SC2 came out in Korea hours before it did in the US. Your math is a pretty off saying 800 FFA games at 30 minutes each adds up to 200 hours. That would add up to 400 hours.
Creator of Street Empires and APM TD
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
October 11 2010 09:36 GMT
#14
He's diamond on 1v1,2v2,3v3 and 4v4 too. T_T
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
October 11 2010 09:37 GMT
#15
On October 11 2010 18:36 yongming wrote:
He's diamond on 1v1,2v2,3v3 and 4v4 too. T_T


you say it like it's hard ROFL
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
October 11 2010 09:37 GMT
#16
The avatars made it all worth it..
SoJu.WeRRa
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)820 Posts
October 11 2010 09:37 GMT
#17
Thats toally insane!
나를 찢어갈겨이씨발놈아왜나를미치게만들어니가뭘아는데?
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
October 11 2010 09:38 GMT
#18
On October 11 2010 18:37 backtoback wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 18:36 yongming wrote:
He's diamond on 1v1,2v2,3v3 and 4v4 too. T_T


you say it like it's hard ROFL

just means he probably isn't doing the joining team games and leaving right away or the worker rushes in 1v1 bronze
Jaehoon - Master strategist
kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
October 11 2010 09:38 GMT
#19
so, what exactly did the dude get in return?
Bair
Profile Joined May 2010
United States698 Posts
October 11 2010 09:38 GMT
#20
He will enjoy his 5 minutes of feeling good and move on to his next OCD-induced hobby.
In Roaches I Rust.
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 09:39:29
October 11 2010 09:39 GMT
#21
On October 11 2010 18:37 backtoback wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 18:36 yongming wrote:
He's diamond on 1v1,2v2,3v3 and 4v4 too. T_T


you say it like it's hard ROFL

I think you missed the point. Most people with the 1000/1000/1000/1000 wins achievement have worker-rushed every game and hence stay in bronze. This guy has obviously done it properly.
weltraumMonster
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany62 Posts
October 11 2010 09:40 GMT
#22
how boring the Insane AI Romp 100 Achievment must have been... 100x cannon rushagainst two insane AIs... my god
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
October 11 2010 09:46 GMT
#23
On October 11 2010 18:39 stafu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 18:37 backtoback wrote:
On October 11 2010 18:36 yongming wrote:
He's diamond on 1v1,2v2,3v3 and 4v4 too. T_T


you say it like it's hard ROFL

I think you missed the point. Most people with the 1000/1000/1000/1000 wins achievement have worker-rushed every game and hence stay in bronze. This guy has obviously done it properly.


Couldn't he just play the last 20-50 games seriously? Or is it harder to get to diamond after so many games?
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
October 11 2010 09:47 GMT
#24
why didn't blizzard make it 5000?
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
TheFinalWord
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia790 Posts
October 11 2010 09:48 GMT
#25
Wow thats ridiculous. I call account sharing or a really really big problem. It must have taken untold hundreds of hours to get all of these.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
October 11 2010 09:50 GMT
#26
Nothing wrong with account sharing.
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
October 11 2010 09:52 GMT
#27
On October 11 2010 18:46 11cc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 18:39 stafu wrote:
On October 11 2010 18:37 backtoback wrote:
On October 11 2010 18:36 yongming wrote:
He's diamond on 1v1,2v2,3v3 and 4v4 too. T_T


you say it like it's hard ROFL

I think you missed the point. Most people with the 1000/1000/1000/1000 wins achievement have worker-rushed every game and hence stay in bronze. This guy has obviously done it properly.


Couldn't he just play the last 20-50 games seriously? Or is it harder to get to diamond after so many games?

good point. But i was more impressed in the fact he's diamond in all RTs.
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
hoovehand
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 10:00:29
October 11 2010 09:59 GMT
#28
getting achievements like 3000 wins so soon is not impressive.

most people who play that much will win tournaments and aim to be one of the best players in their country or even the world.

sacrificing your life to get an achievement is the result of some kind of illness.
slam
Profile Joined May 2010
United States923 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 10:00:09
October 11 2010 09:59 GMT
#29
Didn't somebody say that they would give a decent sum of cash to the person who got solo zen master first? I think it was Fayth?
I get it.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
October 11 2010 10:00 GMT
#30
I like how nearly every post in this thread involves people bashing the guy.

You guys could really stand to get over yourselves.
twitch.tv/cratonz
justmoon
Profile Joined September 2010
Switzerland10 Posts
October 11 2010 10:01 GMT
#31
On October 11 2010 18:40 weltraumMonster wrote:
how boring the Insane AI Romp 100 Achievment must have been... 100x cannon rushagainst two insane AIs... my god


I have that achievement and once I got it I was like, now why exactly did I just spend six hours on that?! o_O

But honestly 100 cannon rushes against AI (which essentially works 100% of the time, plus it's chilled enough so you can do other stuff in the meantime) are nothing compared to 3000 worker rushes in ladder.

(And a minor correction, you cannon rush only one insane AI and you play as random to get the the 100 random AI romp, plus ~33 towards the race AI romps at the same time. So you cannon rush, bunker rush or 6pool depending on what race you get.)
Starfox
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria699 Posts
October 11 2010 10:02 GMT
#32
The envyness in most of the posts in this thread seems so reach critical levels.
Greek Mythology 2.0: Imagine Sisyphos as a man who wants to watch all videos on youtube... and Tityos as one who HAS to watch all of them.
gozima
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada602 Posts
October 11 2010 10:03 GMT
#33
There is no way [or is there?] that the guy did it by himself. I'm almost certain he is sharing that account.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 11 2010 10:06 GMT
#34
On October 11 2010 18:59 hoovehand wrote:
getting achievements like 3000 wins so soon is not impressive.

most people who play that much will win tournaments and aim to be one of the best players in their country or even the world.

sacrificing your life to get an achievement is the result of some kind of illness.


Oh dear god.

Two months.

This is how long the game has been out. That's how much of his life he "sacrificed".

Why do I have to read this kind of "lulz u haz no life" garbage on a serious progaming forum? People here idolize Korean kids who tie WEIGHTS TO THEIR WRISTS TO IMPROVE APM, and you have to play the "no life" card?

Jesus fuck.
whatsgrackalackin420
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
October 11 2010 10:09 GMT
#35
He doesn't have the Collector's Edition Feat of Strength. Not quite the perfect score
I am down but I am far from over
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
October 11 2010 10:14 GMT
#36
On October 11 2010 18:16 Skyze wrote:
So, someone has finally gotten every achievement in the game so far.

http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/305393/1/잉여/achievements/category/4325394

He has 800 FFA wins, 3000 Solo wins, 3000 team wins, all Co-op.. everything.

Is that messed up or what? The guy must of been sharing the account with 2-3 people, theres no way one person could do all this in the short time span the games been out (and wasnt it later in korea?) .. Just the 800 FFA alone must of took forever, considering the average FFA game is ~30 mins, thats 200+ hours right there.


Dude there was thread a month or so ago guaranteeing a cash reward. Hook a guy up already!
There's no S in KT. :P
abrasion
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia722 Posts
October 11 2010 10:15 GMT
#37
Yeah but look at his Avatar? Is that the reward? That is sick, yo!
derpmods
MICHELLE
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)199 Posts
October 11 2010 10:15 GMT
#38
On October 11 2010 18:37 backtoback wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 18:36 yongming wrote:
He's diamond on 1v1,2v2,3v3 and 4v4 too. T_T


you say it like it's hard ROFL


It's much more hard on the korean server than on the US server....
Artosis, he's like that moss that grows on a tree that lets you know where the sun is
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
October 11 2010 10:16 GMT
#39
i bet it's a group of 3 young people, perhaps college aged (or perhaps younger). each one plays 8 hrs a day. non stop gaming.

who knows? maybe there's some similar kind of offer on some korean website that will reward one who gets all the achievements.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
MaReK
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Australia446 Posts
October 11 2010 10:19 GMT
#40
Amazing....pointless but still amazing.
"My wife only has sex with me for a purpose. Last night it was to time an egg "
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
October 11 2010 10:49 GMT
#41
Haha
I would never try to do this but seriously, wtf?! If he really gets some money for it, this would be cool!

pointless but congrats to this guy! He must be happy (and probably pretty bored) now
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
October 11 2010 10:52 GMT
#42
the fayth thread specifically mentioned no korean allowed. so he won't get the money
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
October 11 2010 10:56 GMT
#43
On October 11 2010 19:52 dtz wrote:
the fayth thread specifically mentioned no korean allowed. so he won't get the money


Why is that? I didnt read the fayth thread, so why does this not count for Koreans? Because they dont have to payfor the game?
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Ash
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Malaysia1978 Posts
October 11 2010 10:57 GMT
#44
I prefer my Baneling avatar better :D
Borked
Profile Joined October 2010
221 Posts
October 11 2010 10:58 GMT
#45
Do you guys remember South Park episode on WoW, the last scene was :

-So.. What are we going to do now?
-What do you mean "what are we going to do now?" , we can finally play the game...
Thou shall not crave thy neighbor.
Fadetowhite
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)302 Posts
October 11 2010 11:05 GMT
#46
all i can say is O_O
메신저
norlock
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands918 Posts
October 11 2010 11:07 GMT
#47
Well it is normal he can get diamond after 2000 games with worker rushes. Imagine his insane micro now he must be a real threat to play aggainst now
Are you human?
xylos
Profile Joined September 2010
Switzerland61 Posts
October 11 2010 11:15 GMT
#48
this guys really needs to get a life, fucking sad

User was temp banned for this post.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 11 2010 11:18 GMT
#49
On October 11 2010 20:15 xylos wrote:
this guys really needs to get a life, fucking sad


Guy's spent the last two months playing SC2 24/7.

Whereas you and I are sitting at work reading TL.net.

I think he's just fine in the life department.
whatsgrackalackin420
BnK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States538 Posts
October 11 2010 11:19 GMT
#50
wow just notice that sc2 has some icons that look like sharingans.
PsykoMantis
Profile Joined June 2010
United States203 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 11:38:13
October 11 2010 11:36 GMT
#51
On October 11 2010 20:15 xylos wrote:
this guys really needs to get a life, fucking sad

I don't really understand why some people have to give someone shit for doing something they wanted to do with their time...seriously why can't they just appreciate things.

I'd say its pretty impressive do have even been able to fit that many games at diamond level on kr servers within ~2months of release.
FetTerBender
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany1393 Posts
October 11 2010 11:40 GMT
#52
Big props to the effort, now real skill improvement begins =)
There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
Airwaffle
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden50 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 11:42:59
October 11 2010 11:42 GMT
#53
[Meh whatver]


Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
October 11 2010 11:44 GMT
#54
Haha awesome, props for being first.
Gaxton
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden2328 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 11:46:44
October 11 2010 11:46 GMT
#55
On October 11 2010 20:15 xylos wrote:
this guys really needs to get a life, fucking sad

User was temp banned for this post.


Im so mad!
People who i dont know/isnt effecting me in any way at all, is doing stuff!
Arrrgh!




Also, congrats to the guy. All he have to do now is to wait for next expansionpack
Carefoot
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada410 Posts
October 11 2010 11:57 GMT
#56
I'm just over 4k and if I were him I'd be sad because heart of the swarm isn't until 2012
The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day venture to the stars
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 11 2010 11:59 GMT
#57
On October 11 2010 20:57 Carefoot wrote:
I'm just over 4k and if I were him I'd be sad because heart of the swarm isn't until 2012


Yes but Cataclysm comes out in December so he should be set for at least 3 weeks.
whatsgrackalackin420
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
October 11 2010 11:59 GMT
#58
Seems like kind of a waste.. but hey.. maybe he likes avatars
RoK Ot7Er
Profile Joined June 2010
United States219 Posts
October 11 2010 12:08 GMT
#59
Ignoring the time period that it was done in (roughly 2.5 months), someone had to be first right? Might as well congratulate the guy.
carebear91
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore236 Posts
October 11 2010 12:14 GMT
#60
now that's what you call dedication.
kXn
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
October 11 2010 12:26 GMT
#61
On October 11 2010 19:58 Borked wrote:
Do you guys remember South Park episode on WoW, the last scene was :

-So.. What are we going to do now?
-What do you mean "what are we going to do now?" , we can finally play the game...


ROFL
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
October 11 2010 12:31 GMT
#62
Woah... Wonder how good he would be in 1v1, if he used all that time on it =P
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Zeroes
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
October 11 2010 12:33 GMT
#63
On October 11 2010 20:18 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 20:15 xylos wrote:
this guys really needs to get a life, fucking sad


Guy's spent the last two months playing SC2 24/7.

Whereas you and I are sitting at work reading TL.net.

I think he's just fine in the life department.


Who said it was just one guy? It could have been many people sharing one account
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z00t
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia976 Posts
October 11 2010 12:33 GMT
#64
Damn that is crazy - WOW!

Shame on all you guys who belittle this achievement and the person who accomplished it. We're all nerds here, after all.
Skeyser
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada219 Posts
October 11 2010 12:52 GMT
#65
On October 11 2010 19:02 Starfox wrote:
The envyness in most of the posts in this thread seems so reach critical levels.


What is there to envy? It's just useless achievements that took hundreds of hours to get.
cocosoft
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1068 Posts
October 11 2010 12:52 GMT
#66
On October 11 2010 18:37 backtoback wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 18:36 yongming wrote:
He's diamond on 1v1,2v2,3v3 and 4v4 too. T_T


you say it like it's hard ROFL
Depends if it's random or not.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 12:56:58
October 11 2010 12:54 GMT
#67
wow, thats pretty impressive. I am pacing myself to get the 3k wins in about 3-4 years.

EDIT: I just checked his achievements. He got 400 FFA wins in 3 days. Thats crazy.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
October 11 2010 13:02 GMT
#68
Very Impressive to me.
Deadlift
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States358 Posts
October 11 2010 13:03 GMT
#69
Gonna assume over 90% of the people making fun of this guy for getting the achievements also spend at least 20 hours per week playing SC2 and have 0% chance of "getting anything in return" for all their time playing. The guy wanted all the achievements and it's no worse than playing 1v1s all day.

The same people saying achievements are meaningless are the same people who complained that it took them too long to get promoted to Diamond even though they were already playing Diamond level competition but just didn't have the pretty Diamond next to their name to show off. Guess what? They're the same thing.

Get a hobby that doesn't involve putting other people down for doing what they enjoy and let the guy have his fun.
Makrel
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark150 Posts
October 11 2010 13:07 GMT
#70
How can he have over 6000 1v1 games played, and only 800 points?
PTZ.
Profile Joined September 2010
72 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 13:13:35
October 11 2010 13:10 GMT
#71
On October 11 2010 18:37 backtoback wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 18:36 yongming wrote:
He's diamond on 1v1,2v2,3v3 and 4v4 too. T_T


you say it like it's hard ROFL


It's not too bad getting there per se but mass rushing/cheesing at diamond level to farm wins IS hard. Unless of course he got to Diamond after he finished grinding (I doubt he actually played out all those games).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Also, while a lot of the achievements are extremely lengthy and tedious, I feel that 800FFA wins is by far the worst since it's the only mode you can't get lucky to win in a few minutes in.

As for me personally, I'm currently sitting at 3800 and am somewhat interested to push myself to grind out to 4k (which is some kind of magic number in my head ) and then I'm done playing anything in this game with achievements in mind as the primary goal. Just not worth it - I totally learned that while grinding out 300solo wins vs AIs which is actually the easiest of the win-grind achievements .
parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1080 Posts
October 11 2010 13:13 GMT
#72
On October 11 2010 18:38 Bair wrote:
He will enjoy his 5 minutes of feeling good and move on to his next OCD-induced hobby.

OCD Hobbies are the best hobbies
mostly harmless
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 13:24:12
October 11 2010 13:14 GMT
#73
Before I get excited, I'd like some trusted confirmation that the guy didn't hack or something. I'm not sure this is doable in this period of time, even with 3 people alternating 8 hours to make the account 24/7 active.

If the account is indeed legit, I expect to see it featured in a blue article on battle.net soon. I'd love also if they find a way to contact the real people involved with the account, and interview them. It's interesting to hear the thoughts of those who got all the achievements, about which ones were hard / easy, and in general about the design of the game.

p.s. There's a NEXJenny in his division. I wonder if NEX have a female progamer. (: Haven't heard about that, would be cool.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 11 2010 13:14 GMT
#74
I knew this was going to show up

eventually

but props to him on being the first
PTZ.
Profile Joined September 2010
72 Posts
October 11 2010 13:15 GMT
#75
On October 11 2010 22:13 parkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 18:38 Bair wrote:
He will enjoy his 5 minutes of feeling good and move on to his next OCD-induced hobby.

OCD Hobbies are the best hobbies


Too bad the "high" lasts so short and then you don't care anymore about it/think to yourself how stupid it was to waste all that time. I'm not too hardcore in this department but I'm well familiar with this OCD completionst thing from own experience. >.>
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
October 11 2010 13:28 GMT
#76
On October 11 2010 21:52 Skeyser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 19:02 Starfox wrote:
The envyness in most of the posts in this thread seems so reach critical levels.


What is there to envy? It's just useless achievements that took hundreds of hours to get.

Not anymore useless than being diamond on a ladder that means nothing.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Kao
Profile Joined July 2010
24 Posts
October 11 2010 13:29 GMT
#77
impressive, was probably a shared account
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
October 11 2010 13:36 GMT
#78
Why can't people grow up and stop being so rude towards this guy? If you don't think it was worth the time and effort, then don't bother posting here. TeamLiquiders were much more nice pre-StarCraft 2
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
October 11 2010 13:39 GMT
#79
wow. that was fast. must be a shared account else my mind is just blown away.
Delarchon
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland132 Posts
October 11 2010 13:41 GMT
#80
Something seriously odd here or something I just don't understand.

SC2 been out for 76 days.

This guy has over 12 000 games altogether. With 15min a game it would make 125 days non-stop playing. So way over the time SC2 has actually been out.
With cheesy 7 min a game it would still be about 62 days.

And this is just league games.

What kind of sorcery is this?
Z-R0E
Profile Joined April 2009
United States147 Posts
October 11 2010 13:43 GMT
#81
I'll give the guy(s) the benefit of the doubt and assume they didn't hack to get there. If it was multiple guys, so what? They accomplished a goal they set out to do, and probably had fun doing it. Grats to them.

I don't get people bashing with the "what a waste of time" or "achievements are meaningless". Here's a news flash, all video games are "meaningless" unless you're getting paid. Your 1600 diamond rating is just as meaningless. It's all a form of entertainment. Maybe your entertainment comes from trying to get a higher rating, maybe their entrainment comes from completing achievements.

I'll never understand people who play videogames bashing on people who play the same game just in a different way.
The Z-g0d http://atZinc.org
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
October 11 2010 13:46 GMT
#82
lol, talk about completionist obsession...
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 11 2010 13:46 GMT
#83
Can somebody who speaks Korean check this guy on sc2ranks.com and give me the link? I would love to see when this guy promoted to diamond in 1vs1 2vs2 3vs3 4vs4.

Maybe he promoted only in his last 50 games from bronze to diamond.
I had a good night of sleep.
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
October 11 2010 13:48 GMT
#84
yeh, the "achievements are meaningless" guys are comical.. All games are meaningless.

I like achievements for the most part, fun little side-game to the super intense 1v1 sessions I play. So while I have 4250 achievement score, I also have 1700 in diamond 1v1, disproving the "people who get achievements only do it cause they suck at the game" bullcrap.

Anyways, Yeh, im pretty sure this was a team of people. thats the only way. I feel like ive wasted WAY too much time on sc2 so far and im not even anywhere near close to this guys hourly rate. Insane.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
October 11 2010 13:49 GMT
#85
On October 11 2010 22:46 Koshi wrote:
Can somebody who speaks Korean check this guy on sc2ranks.com and give me the link? I would love to see when this guy promoted to diamond in 1vs1 2vs2 3vs3 4vs4.

Maybe he promoted only in his last 50 games from bronze to diamond.


If you really care, why not check for yourself? He played legit in 1v1. In 2v2, he played with various people so sometimes he was in bronze, sometimes he was in gold, and I guess for 1 he was in diamond. But that was in 2v2.
rip passion
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
October 11 2010 13:50 GMT
#86
Someone above pointed it out best, Some of us are just "completionists".. When I start something, I want to finish it. That is what drives me to finish all the achievements.

Although Im drawing the line at 1000 solo wins for each race.. Just gonna do my main race, and thats mainly because I dont want to do the worker rush crap, it'd take forever/totally fuck my rating if I played 1000 games of T and Z lol
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
chumpchous
Profile Joined September 2010
68 Posts
October 11 2010 13:50 GMT
#87
How do you say poopsock in korean?
out4blood
Profile Joined July 2010
United States313 Posts
October 11 2010 14:12 GMT
#88
Getting all of the achievements that fast is sort of an anti-achievement. Just shows how much time he's wasted.
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Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
October 11 2010 14:43 GMT
#89
On October 11 2010 23:12 out4blood wrote:
Getting all of the achievements that fast is sort of an anti-achievement. Just shows how much time he's wasted.


Well the same could be said for every SC2 "progamer" who hasnt won any cash tournaments so far. people like Machine, Inka, InControl, etc. Even people who've only won like $100 so far, have most likely spent over 40 hours a week for that.. Times 40 hours a week by what; ~12 weeks the games been out? Not including beta.

My point is, sure its "wasted time", but if you are going to spend that kind of time, mise well "achieve" something.. being the first person to max out on achievements is pretty huge.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
Bensio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom621 Posts
October 11 2010 14:47 GMT
#90
How can you kill that which has no life? :O
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
October 11 2010 14:51 GMT
#91
On October 11 2010 18:17 superbabosheki wrote:
I can't believe people actually care about achievements, he's probably like "shit, now what?"


Shrug, people who don't play games can't believe we actually watch streams of pros playing games. Different strokes for different folks.
Daxten
Profile Joined October 2009
Germany127 Posts
October 11 2010 14:52 GMT
#92
Nice Job, congrats to him.. I'm not so much into the achievement thing so I dont think I will ever achieve this
JQL
Profile Joined July 2010
United States214 Posts
October 11 2010 14:59 GMT
#93
what an achievement, got my respect.
no way
Skeyser
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada219 Posts
October 11 2010 15:01 GMT
#94
On October 11 2010 22:28 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 21:52 Skeyser wrote:
On October 11 2010 19:02 Starfox wrote:
The envyness in most of the posts in this thread seems so reach critical levels.


What is there to envy? It's just useless achievements that took hundreds of hours to get.

Not anymore useless than being diamond on a ladder that means nothing.


So you envy people in the diamond league(lol) or what? Not sure why you're bringing that up.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
October 11 2010 15:12 GMT
#95
On October 11 2010 18:38 kawatan wrote:
so, what exactly did the dude get in return?

A whole bunch of posters calling him a no life and an achievement whore out of jealousy
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
TurtlePerson2
Profile Joined October 2010
United States218 Posts
October 11 2010 15:17 GMT
#96
I'm surprised that he isn't ranked higher given the fact that he's played so many games. I'd like to think that if I played that much, I'd be a pro.
torturis exuvias eunt
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 15:23:31
October 11 2010 15:20 GMT
#97
On October 11 2010 18:36 yongming wrote:
He's diamond on 1v1,2v2,3v3 and 4v4 too. T_T

....that was probably the easiest part of his achievement.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
2WeaK
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada550 Posts
October 11 2010 15:21 GMT
#98
On October 11 2010 18:17 superbabosheki wrote:
I can't believe people actually care about achievements, he's probably like "shit, now what?"


"I can't believe people actually care about what league they're in"

These kind of arguments are irrelevant and don't serve much than to be condescending towards people who are better than you/more devoted to something than others. Achievements are a fun addition and don't do any bad to anyone.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
October 11 2010 15:24 GMT
#99
I would guess this guy shares his account.
Really, thats the only thing that makes sense.
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11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
October 11 2010 15:24 GMT
#100
Meaningless or not, playing 1v1 and getting better is actually a lot of fun for me atleast. And to massing 3000 games to get an achivement some random blizzard employee came up with during his coffee break doesn't sound like a lot of fun.

But maybe he enjoyed it.

On October 11 2010 22:48 Skyze wrote:
yeh, the "achievements are meaningless" guys are comical.. All games are meaningless.

I like achievements for the most part, fun little side-game to the super intense 1v1 sessions I play. So while I have 4250 achievement score, I also have 1700 in diamond 1v1, disproving the "people who get achievements only do it cause they suck at the game" bullcrap.

Anyways, Yeh, im pretty sure this was a team of people. thats the only way. I feel like ive wasted WAY too much time on sc2 so far and im not even anywhere near close to this guys hourly rate. Insane.


Who are you to say what is meaningless and what is meaningfull, except for yourself? Games aren't meaningless for me.
PangO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Chile1870 Posts
October 11 2010 15:26 GMT
#101
Lol just noticed he does not have the collector edition
In Economics, the majority is always wrong. aka: MattRz
JustPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
United States211 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 15:34:42
October 11 2010 15:29 GMT
#102
You can worker rush and get in to diamond. Easily.

Pick zerg, drone to 10 food, worker rush your opponent. Micro. Abuse mineral walking and drone hp regen. If they sent a scout worker the worker count will initially be even. If they are terran and scouted + are building something you will be ahead workers. If they are zerg it's trickier, but most people don't expect it and I have found the large majority of low-mid diamond SC2 players don't have the micro to handle to a worker brawl.

WC3 220apm microing 5 units finally pays off in SC2. Also, thumbs down the maps with the largest travel distances.
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
October 11 2010 15:33 GMT
#103
Add an achievement called "Win the GSL" imo
take dat achievement whores
@KawaiiRiceLighT
Galaxy77
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Hong Kong256 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 15:33:48
October 11 2010 15:33 GMT
#104
I personally think this is pretty cool, considering chat rooms will be coming pretty soon, im sure profiles will be even more customizible (thanks to achievements).

I think he had people symaltaniously logged in, or a team of people who "hope" to get in his game and leave for the FFA wins.

I too go for achievements, i do other stuff at the same time whilst comp stomping, e.g. work, emails, facebook etc.

I also have no problem playing some 1v1s, im currently ranked in the top 8 on SEA server, and i have a nice score on NA server too

Also, since you cant smurf unless youve got money to spare, your profile is gonna be with you for the next 10 years, why not make it a bit more unique?
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
October 11 2010 15:35 GMT
#105
On October 12 2010 00:24 11cc wrote:
Who are you to say what is meaningless and what is meaningfull, except for yourself? Games aren't meaningless for me.

That's exactly the point; getting all the achievements might sound pointless to you, but maybe this guy (or guys) had fun doing it. Who are we to judge?
EnderCN
Profile Joined May 2010
United States499 Posts
October 11 2010 15:35 GMT
#106
Didn't really seem like he had enough team games to have all the team achievements.
Joetoney
Profile Joined October 2010
United States4 Posts
October 11 2010 15:35 GMT
#107
Does it say he got the FFA 400 achievement on 10.10.2010 and then the 800 achiev on 10.11? in one day?
IAttackYou
Profile Joined August 2010
United States330 Posts
October 11 2010 15:37 GMT
#108
Congrats on his achievements and I love how everyone just straight up tries to put him down XD.
I'm not a nub, I'm gosu of tomorrow
Angry_Fetus
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada444 Posts
October 11 2010 15:38 GMT
#109
The entire concept of achievements depends on certain individuals needs to attain false success - a short-lived sense of fulfillment if you will. At least if you're attempting to get high on the ladder, you're directly competing with real people. Your rank does mean something, you improve, become superior in skill to others. If you wish to chase after virtual achievements, go right ahead. But I sure won't be congratulating you.
Congism
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Scotland123 Posts
October 11 2010 15:42 GMT
#110
Congratulations Mr.잉여
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 11 2010 15:52 GMT
#111
On October 12 2010 00:38 Angry_Fetus wrote:
The entire concept of achievements depends on certain individuals needs to attain false success - a short-lived sense of fulfillment if you will. At least if you're attempting to get high on the ladder, you're directly competing with real people. Your rank does mean something, you improve, become superior in skill to others. If you wish to chase after virtual achievements, go right ahead. But I sure won't be congratulating you.



Skill in SC2 doesn't translate to real life. Your rank is just as meaningless as his achievements unless you can win cash with it. The objective of a video game is to have fun wasting time.

You guys seriously sound like a bunch of religious bigots on a bully pulpit trying to ram your views of what is meaningful or not down others people's throats.
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
October 11 2010 15:58 GMT
#112
On October 12 2010 00:35 Joetoney wrote:
Does it say he got the FFA 400 achievement on 10.10.2010 and then the 800 achiev on 10.11? in one day?


Yeah, I noticed that too. 400 games in 24 hrs. Thats 20 wins an hour. Maybe he was just Qing with friends?
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
October 11 2010 16:02 GMT
#113
If this has been mentioned already I apologize

There's a script thats out right now that allows u to join games and instantly leave them, thereby giving u losses until 0 bronze. However, once you reach that point you'll continually get matched against other people using the same script. This results in 50% of the time you get free wins. I know a guy who used this to grind up both zen masters. Pretty lame, I guess some people care about portraits
tok
Profile Joined April 2010
United States691 Posts
October 11 2010 16:02 GMT
#114
Was actually watching him get close to the end, checked the achievement part of sc2 ranks every time i checked out the ladder.

Grats to him, hope doesn't get bored and quit or sell his account.
Phant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States737 Posts
October 11 2010 16:24 GMT
#115
It takes dedication to do the wins vs. AI stuff. It's so boring!
Zack1900
Profile Joined January 2010
United States211 Posts
October 11 2010 16:25 GMT
#116
On October 12 2010 00:42 Congism wrote:
Congratulations Mr.잉여


You sexist sob.

Seriously though that takes some dedication. I feel sorry for the second person to get it done.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
October 11 2010 16:30 GMT
#117
How are you guys not doubting this achievement ?
Hes probably account sharing or cheating in some way.

Do a little math and you will find out its impossble do this since the launch. You would have to play under 10 min games over 10 hours a day and still not do this in such a short amount of time.
Ashera
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada202 Posts
October 11 2010 16:31 GMT
#118
That's sick, maybe he'll get every icon first too.
Viva la Vida
Effen
Profile Joined September 2010
227 Posts
October 11 2010 16:32 GMT
#119
any of you ever heard of a lan center before?
MatronStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2010
35 Posts
October 11 2010 16:35 GMT
#120
Achievements are just another way to play the game. You saw it in WoW once they were released, some people became pretty obsessed with them. But to each his own.
kioskmongo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden33 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 16:37:38
October 11 2010 16:36 GMT
#121
And here I am with 4 different avatars...

On October 12 2010 00:33 KawaiiRice wrote:
Add an achievement called "Win the GSL" imo
take dat achievement whores

It would be pretty funny if Blizz did that.
tahts halo dont worry
ofcourse
Profile Joined May 2010
Poland67 Posts
October 11 2010 16:37 GMT
#122
ive heard thats the guy who kicked tester out of gsl2 ;]
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
October 11 2010 16:39 GMT
#123
he must have had some really good friends for the hard coop ones

also the 800 ffa wins, what the hell!
Dead girls don't say no.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
October 11 2010 16:40 GMT
#124
Ok if he played 12 hrs / day with under 10 min games and no losses or other achievements.

It would take 94.41 days
yoshinori
Profile Joined August 2010
United States34 Posts
October 11 2010 16:43 GMT
#125
On October 11 2010 18:17 mierin wrote:
Holy Check!!

This.
Weedk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States507 Posts
October 11 2010 16:43 GMT
#126
On October 12 2010 01:40 PaD wrote:
Ok if he played 12 hrs / day with under 10 min games and no losses or other achievements.

It would take 94.41 days


Assuming he only played 12 hours a day.
EnvoYofAiuR
Profile Joined October 2002
Netherlands71 Posts
October 11 2010 16:44 GMT
#127
were is faith:D

he must have played 174 games average each day, wtf?
Conquer, but dont triumph
Angry_Fetus
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada444 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 19:06:38
October 11 2010 16:45 GMT
#128
On October 12 2010 00:52 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 00:38 Angry_Fetus wrote:
The entire concept of achievements depends on certain individuals needs to attain false success - a short-lived sense of fulfillment if you will. At least if you're attempting to get high on the ladder, you're directly competing with real people. Your rank does mean something, you improve, become superior in skill to others. If you wish to chase after virtual achievements, go right ahead. But I sure won't be congratulating you.



Skill in SC2 doesn't translate to real life. Your rank is just as meaningless as his achievements unless you can win cash with it. The objective of a video game is to have fun wasting time.

You guys seriously sound like a bunch of religious bigots on a bully pulpit trying to ram your views of what is meaningful or not down others people's throats.


That's true, too an extent. A professional SC2 player will have an above average ability in regards to decision making, forearm muscle control, strategical thinking etc. In regards to your second point, your rank is an indicator as to your relative ability in regards to other players. That is in comparison to achievements which are ultimately just an indicator of time spent. I basically agree with your view on the aim of video games - pure entertainment - but this is the epitome of "wasting time". Considering how many hours are put in per day doing ultimately nothing, achieving nothing (ironic I know), I'm of the opinion that it is not something to be applauded. You're welcome to disagree, that's your prerogative.

Too compare my argument to bullying is pure ignorance and misinterpretation.
silencesc
Profile Joined July 2010
United States464 Posts
October 11 2010 16:47 GMT
#129
This is perhaps the most awesome and ridiculous thing I have ever seen. Ever.
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DraWx
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands25 Posts
October 11 2010 16:48 GMT
#130
Wintrading yesyes???

Ban this guy NAO!
lgn!
Profile Joined February 2010
Italy224 Posts
October 11 2010 16:49 GMT
#131
On October 11 2010 18:17 mierin wrote:
Holy Check!!


this
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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
October 11 2010 16:50 GMT
#132
Lame?

Ladder more.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Neeh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway458 Posts
October 11 2010 16:58 GMT
#133
It's just a grind. Some achivements are actually achivements, while some remains a grind. Sure it's impressive, but it just proves how wierd achivements are, it's usually stuff you'd never even want to do if the game didn't tell you..

I come from a heavy wow background, and it's starting to get a little sad. People just do whatever the game says for these magic useless points.
NukeTheBunnys
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1004 Posts
October 11 2010 16:59 GMT
#134
This guy has spent a lot of time playing SC2 thats for sure. Im betting he did the join random team game quit immediately to get a bunch of those wins, otherwise i dont understand how its possible to get that many wins in such a short time
When you play the game of drones you win or you die.
LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
October 11 2010 17:06 GMT
#135
On October 11 2010 18:50 Fa1nT wrote:
Nothing wrong with account sharing.


wrong, its against the EULA
Man fears the darkness, and so he scrapes away at the edges of it with fire.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
October 11 2010 17:06 GMT
#136
On October 12 2010 00:33 KawaiiRice wrote:
Add an achievement called "Win the GSL" imo
take dat achievement whores


Achievement unlocked: Forum Troll

Would be hilarious though.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
jjl
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States85 Posts
October 11 2010 17:16 GMT
#137
He is missing the collector's edition achievement (feat of strength), haha.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 17:29:28
October 11 2010 17:23 GMT
#138
Numbers time.

3000 1v1 + 3000 team games + 800 ffa + 750 co-op + 300 custom = 7850 WINS needed to get all of those achievements.

Assuming a near 100% winrate for custom, co-op, and ffa (assuming you're in diamond, joining a ffa is pretty much a guaranteed win) and assuming about a 50% winrate for actual competitive games:

6000 1v1 + 6000 team games + 800 ffa + 750 co-op + 300 custom = 13850 games played

13850 / 77 days since release = 179.8 games per day

From a time perspective, it seems pretty much impossible. Unless he attempted cheesing practically every game, the ranked ladder games along are too much time.

15 minutes per 1v1 game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per team game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per ffa game * 800 = 6000
4 minutes per custom * 300 = 1200
4 minutes per co-op game * 750 = 3000
Total times spent in games =190200 minutes = 3170 hours = 132 days

But wait, that's almost twice as long as the game has actually been out. This heavily implies some kind of exploit, 4v4 game dropping, win trading, account sharing, etc. We haven't even taken into account all of the other achievements as well. Not as large of a time investment, but getting all the campaign, challenge, exploration, and combat achievements was probably a couple days dedicated work too.
EriktheGuy
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada132 Posts
October 11 2010 17:26 GMT
#139
You could have omitted the first word in the title of this thread. It was implied .
In mathematics you don't understand things, you just get used to them. -Neumann
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
October 11 2010 17:29 GMT
#140
On October 12 2010 02:23 Offhand wrote:
Numbers time.

3000 1v1 + 3000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 8100 WINS needed to get all of those achievements.

Assuming a near 100% winrate for custom, co-op, and ffa (assuming you're in diamond, joining a ffa is pretty much a guaranteed win) and assuming about a 50% winrate for actual competitive games:

6000 1v1 + 6000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 14100 games played

14100 / 77 days since release = 183.1 games per day

From a time perspective, it seems pretty much impossible. Unless he attempted cheesing practically every game, the ranked ladder games along are too much time.

15 minutes per 1v1 game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per team game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per ffa game * 800 = 6000
4 minutes per custom * 400 = 1600
4 minutes per co-op game * 1000 = 4000
Total times spent in games =191600 minutes = 3193.3 hours = 133 days

But wait, that's almost twice as long as the game has actually been out. This heavily implies some kind of exploit, 4v4 game dropping, win trading, account sharing, etc. We haven't even taken into account all of the other achievements as well. Not as large of a time investment, but getting all the campaign, challenge, exploration, and combat achievements was probably a couple days dedicated work too.


Where did you pull 15 minutes from? This guy is grinding. If he cheeses and the cheese fails, he's most likely going to leave the game and not waste time.
rip passion
ToxNub
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada805 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 17:33:42
October 11 2010 17:30 GMT
#141
On October 12 2010 02:23 Offhand wrote:
Numbers time.

3000 1v1 + 3000 team games + 800 ffa + 750 co-op + 300 custom = 7850 WINS needed to get all of those achievements.

Assuming a near 100% winrate for custom, co-op, and ffa (assuming you're in diamond, joining a ffa is pretty much a guaranteed win) and assuming about a 50% winrate for actual competitive games:

6000 1v1 + 6000 team games + 800 ffa + 750 co-op + 300 custom = 13850 games played

13850 / 77 days since release = 179.8 games per day

From a time perspective, it seems pretty much impossible. Unless he attempted cheesing practically every game, the ranked ladder games along are too much time.

15 minutes per 1v1 game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per team game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per ffa game * 800 = 6000
4 minutes per custom * 300 = 1200
4 minutes per co-op game * 750 = 3000
Total times spent in games =190200 minutes = 3170 hours = 132 days

But wait, that's almost twice as long as the game has actually been out. This heavily implies some kind of exploit, 4v4 game dropping, win trading, account sharing, etc. We haven't even taken into account all of the other achievements as well. Not as large of a time investment, but getting all the campaign, challenge, exploration, and combat achievements was probably a couple days dedicated work too.


Beat me to it. This. Soooo this.

People in the first pages saying "that's not that impressive" are fucking idiots. I, like the poster above me, don't even believe it was done legit.

edit: 15 minutes is about right (ok maybe 10). A lot of cheese builds might be working, but might not eliminate your opponent immediately. 6 pools are really the exception. Cannons and bunker rushes take more time.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 17:44:46
October 11 2010 17:32 GMT
#142
On October 12 2010 02:29 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 02:23 Offhand wrote:
Numbers time.

3000 1v1 + 3000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 8100 WINS needed to get all of those achievements.

Assuming a near 100% winrate for custom, co-op, and ffa (assuming you're in diamond, joining a ffa is pretty much a guaranteed win) and assuming about a 50% winrate for actual competitive games:

6000 1v1 + 6000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 14100 games played

14100 / 77 days since release = 183.1 games per day

From a time perspective, it seems pretty much impossible. Unless he attempted cheesing practically every game, the ranked ladder games along are too much time.

15 minutes per 1v1 game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per team game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per ffa game * 800 = 6000
4 minutes per custom * 400 = 1600
4 minutes per co-op game * 1000 = 4000
Total times spent in games =191600 minutes = 3193.3 hours = 133 days

But wait, that's almost twice as long as the game has actually been out. This heavily implies some kind of exploit, 4v4 game dropping, win trading, account sharing, etc. We haven't even taken into account all of the other achievements as well. Not as large of a time investment, but getting all the campaign, challenge, exploration, and combat achievements was probably a couple days dedicated work too.


Where did you pull 15 minutes from? This guy is grinding. If he cheeses and the cheese fails, he's most likely going to leave the game and not waste time.


If you cut 1v1 and team games down to 8 minutes, you still have this guy playing SC about 100% of the time. Things like sleep, food, etc aren't even considered. Almost all of his team wins are in 2v2, so it's likely he found another guy willing to grind that out.

EDIT: Nor are we counting things like time spent in matchmaking queue, load times, drops or disconnects, etc.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 17:46:05
October 11 2010 17:44 GMT
#143
On October 12 2010 02:32 Offhand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 02:29 Deathstar wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:23 Offhand wrote:
Numbers time.

3000 1v1 + 3000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 8100 WINS needed to get all of those achievements.

Assuming a near 100% winrate for custom, co-op, and ffa (assuming you're in diamond, joining a ffa is pretty much a guaranteed win) and assuming about a 50% winrate for actual competitive games:

6000 1v1 + 6000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 14100 games played

14100 / 77 days since release = 183.1 games per day

From a time perspective, it seems pretty much impossible. Unless he attempted cheesing practically every game, the ranked ladder games along are too much time.

15 minutes per 1v1 game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per team game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per ffa game * 800 = 6000
4 minutes per custom * 400 = 1600
4 minutes per co-op game * 1000 = 4000
Total times spent in games =191600 minutes = 3193.3 hours = 133 days

But wait, that's almost twice as long as the game has actually been out. This heavily implies some kind of exploit, 4v4 game dropping, win trading, account sharing, etc. We haven't even taken into account all of the other achievements as well. Not as large of a time investment, but getting all the campaign, challenge, exploration, and combat achievements was probably a couple days dedicated work too.


Where did you pull 15 minutes from? This guy is grinding. If he cheeses and the cheese fails, he's most likely going to leave the game and not waste time.


If you cut 1v1 and team games down to 8 minutes, you still have this guy playing SC about 100% of the time. Things like sleep, food, etc aren't even considered.

EDIT: Nor are we counting things like time spent in matchmaking queue, load times, drops or disconnects, etc.


It could be a collaborative effort between his friends. Each are skilled at different aspects such as 1v1 protoss, coop, etc, eliminating the break aspect. I'm trying to rationale this without considering any cheats.

If you cut down 1v1 and team games to 10 games, it would take him ~94 days and today is 75 days from release. Okay I concede. I do not believe ffa can be won in a measly 15 minute every game and 10 minutes with cheese is a stretch.

edit: If you factor in bots and exploiting, then it makes more sense.
rip passion
blagoonga123
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2068 Posts
October 11 2010 18:06 GMT
#144
I like how people are trying to cheapen his achievement by saying "IT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING LOL." If you think about it, neither does your rating, at least until you hit like 2000+.
FOOL! Pain is my friend! Now let me introduce you to it!
RiotSpectre
Profile Joined October 2010
United States163 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 18:10:02
October 11 2010 18:09 GMT
#145
On October 11 2010 21:54 Sanguinarius wrote:
wow, thats pretty impressive. I am pacing myself to get the 3k wins in about 3-4 years.

EDIT: I just checked his achievements. He got 400 FFA wins in 3 days. Thats crazy.



I don't understand how this is possible. Three days is 72 hours, which means each FFA would have to last 10-11 minutes on average, assuming that he played nonstop for 72 hours and won every single one of his games.

I smell a rat.


EDIT 1: So someone made this connection before me and in much more detail. My apologies!
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
October 11 2010 18:15 GMT
#146
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Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
October 11 2010 18:17 GMT
#147
On October 12 2010 03:15 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 02:32 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:29 Deathstar wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:23 Offhand wrote:
Numbers time.

3000 1v1 + 3000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 8100 WINS needed to get all of those achievements.

Assuming a near 100% winrate for custom, co-op, and ffa (assuming you're in diamond, joining a ffa is pretty much a guaranteed win) and assuming about a 50% winrate for actual competitive games:

6000 1v1 + 6000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 14100 games played

14100 / 77 days since release = 183.1 games per day

From a time perspective, it seems pretty much impossible. Unless he attempted cheesing practically every game, the ranked ladder games along are too much time.

15 minutes per 1v1 game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per team game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per ffa game * 800 = 6000
4 minutes per custom * 400 = 1600
4 minutes per co-op game * 1000 = 4000
Total times spent in games =191600 minutes = 3193.3 hours = 133 days

But wait, that's almost twice as long as the game has actually been out. This heavily implies some kind of exploit, 4v4 game dropping, win trading, account sharing, etc. We haven't even taken into account all of the other achievements as well. Not as large of a time investment, but getting all the campaign, challenge, exploration, and combat achievements was probably a couple days dedicated work too.


Where did you pull 15 minutes from? This guy is grinding. If he cheeses and the cheese fails, he's most likely going to leave the game and not waste time.


If you cut 1v1 and team games down to 8 minutes, you still have this guy playing SC about 100% of the time. Things like sleep, food, etc aren't even considered. Almost all of his team wins are in 2v2, so it's likely he found another guy willing to grind that out.

EDIT: Nor are we counting things like time spent in matchmaking queue, load times, drops or disconnects, etc.

You're forgetting that the time it shows in match results is ingame time, which is 33% faster than IRL.


Everything I did was calculated in real time not game time.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
October 11 2010 18:18 GMT
#148
On October 12 2010 03:15 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 02:32 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:29 Deathstar wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:23 Offhand wrote:
Numbers time.

3000 1v1 + 3000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 8100 WINS needed to get all of those achievements.

Assuming a near 100% winrate for custom, co-op, and ffa (assuming you're in diamond, joining a ffa is pretty much a guaranteed win) and assuming about a 50% winrate for actual competitive games:

6000 1v1 + 6000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 14100 games played

14100 / 77 days since release = 183.1 games per day

From a time perspective, it seems pretty much impossible. Unless he attempted cheesing practically every game, the ranked ladder games along are too much time.

15 minutes per 1v1 game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per team game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per ffa game * 800 = 6000
4 minutes per custom * 400 = 1600
4 minutes per co-op game * 1000 = 4000
Total times spent in games =191600 minutes = 3193.3 hours = 133 days

But wait, that's almost twice as long as the game has actually been out. This heavily implies some kind of exploit, 4v4 game dropping, win trading, account sharing, etc. We haven't even taken into account all of the other achievements as well. Not as large of a time investment, but getting all the campaign, challenge, exploration, and combat achievements was probably a couple days dedicated work too.


Where did you pull 15 minutes from? This guy is grinding. If he cheeses and the cheese fails, he's most likely going to leave the game and not waste time.


If you cut 1v1 and team games down to 8 minutes, you still have this guy playing SC about 100% of the time. Things like sleep, food, etc aren't even considered. Almost all of his team wins are in 2v2, so it's likely he found another guy willing to grind that out.

EDIT: Nor are we counting things like time spent in matchmaking queue, load times, drops or disconnects, etc.

You're forgetting that the time it shows in match results is ingame time, which is 33% faster than IRL.


Im pretty sure its real time...
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
October 11 2010 18:18 GMT
#149
Wow... I wonder if he's ever been outside.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Kaptein[konijn]
Profile Joined August 2005
Netherlands110 Posts
October 11 2010 18:18 GMT
#150
On October 12 2010 03:06 blagoonga123 wrote:
I like how people are trying to cheapen his achievement by saying "IT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING LOL." If you think about it, neither does your rating, at least until you hit like 2000+.


There's a difference between playing to actually become good at a game and just going through the motions to receive the ultimate nerd achievement. And by "going through the motions", I really mean having no, absolutely NO life at all. This guy probably doesn't know what a vagina looks like. He's so nerdish that even porn sites reject him.

Utterly pathetic, but if he wants to waste his time, more power to him..
Chained
Profile Joined February 2010
United States137 Posts
October 11 2010 18:19 GMT
#151
This is stupid, the max amount of achievements is 4960? wtf lol
TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
October 11 2010 18:23 GMT
#152
On October 12 2010 03:18 Kaptein[konijn] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 03:06 blagoonga123 wrote:
I like how people are trying to cheapen his achievement by saying "IT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING LOL." If you think about it, neither does your rating, at least until you hit like 2000+.


There's a difference between playing to actually become good at a game and just going through the motions to receive the ultimate nerd achievement. And by "going through the motions", I really mean having no, absolutely NO life at all. This guy probably doesn't know what a vagina looks like. He's so nerdish that even porn sites reject him.

Utterly pathetic, but if he wants to waste his time, more power to him..


No matter how good you are it's ultimately useless in the grand scheme of things. He chose to go after an attainable goal and did it, what's your goal? Win the GSL?

One man's junk is another man's treasure. What I find utterly pathetic is your ill-founded contempt.
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
October 11 2010 18:24 GMT
#153
On October 11 2010 18:38 cabarkapa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 18:37 backtoback wrote:
On October 11 2010 18:36 yongming wrote:
He's diamond on 1v1,2v2,3v3 and 4v4 too. T_T


you say it like it's hard ROFL

just means he probably isn't doing the joining team games and leaving right away or the worker rushes in 1v1 bronze


Or that he did that to start and then ranked himself up when he got close to his goals. But I haven't seen his stats so .
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 18:27:25
October 11 2010 18:26 GMT
#154
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Pandonetho
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada321 Posts
October 11 2010 18:31 GMT
#155
you say it like it's hard ROFL


It probably is harder though on the Korean servers.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
October 11 2010 18:34 GMT
#156
On October 12 2010 03:26 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 03:17 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:15 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:32 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:29 Deathstar wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:23 Offhand wrote:
Numbers time.

3000 1v1 + 3000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 8100 WINS needed to get all of those achievements.

Assuming a near 100% winrate for custom, co-op, and ffa (assuming you're in diamond, joining a ffa is pretty much a guaranteed win) and assuming about a 50% winrate for actual competitive games:

6000 1v1 + 6000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 14100 games played

14100 / 77 days since release = 183.1 games per day

From a time perspective, it seems pretty much impossible. Unless he attempted cheesing practically every game, the ranked ladder games along are too much time.

15 minutes per 1v1 game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per team game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per ffa game * 800 = 6000
4 minutes per custom * 400 = 1600
4 minutes per co-op game * 1000 = 4000
Total times spent in games =191600 minutes = 3193.3 hours = 133 days

But wait, that's almost twice as long as the game has actually been out. This heavily implies some kind of exploit, 4v4 game dropping, win trading, account sharing, etc. We haven't even taken into account all of the other achievements as well. Not as large of a time investment, but getting all the campaign, challenge, exploration, and combat achievements was probably a couple days dedicated work too.


Where did you pull 15 minutes from? This guy is grinding. If he cheeses and the cheese fails, he's most likely going to leave the game and not waste time.


If you cut 1v1 and team games down to 8 minutes, you still have this guy playing SC about 100% of the time. Things like sleep, food, etc aren't even considered. Almost all of his team wins are in 2v2, so it's likely he found another guy willing to grind that out.

EDIT: Nor are we counting things like time spent in matchmaking queue, load times, drops or disconnects, etc.

You're forgetting that the time it shows in match results is ingame time, which is 33% faster than IRL.


Everything I did was calculated in real time not game time.

Then you can cut all the times in like half. I dunno at what level you're playing, but at 1500 diamond LONG games take about 15 mins IRL. Average is 5-7. Cheese is about 3 mins, maybe faster.


What league are you in where long games are 15 minutes? In my own match history, games averaged 15-20 minutes real time, the longest was 49 minutes against a turtling terran player. Like I said before, even if you cut the game times down to 8 minutes average, it's still too long.
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
October 11 2010 18:34 GMT
#157
Congrats!! That took some serious dedication to starcraft, something to be admired!

To everyone talking shit....
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:)
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
October 11 2010 18:37 GMT
#158
Well for team games, couldn't he just join a game, leave, and re-queue? You'd rack up wins pretty fast like that I would think.
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 18:39:58
October 11 2010 18:39 GMT
#159
On October 12 2010 03:34 Reborn8u wrote:
Congrats!! That took some serious dedication to starcraft, something to be admired!


Math says otherwise, sorry.

On October 12 2010 03:37 Draconicfire wrote:
Well for team games, couldn't he just join a game, leave, and re-queue? You'd rack up wins pretty fast like that I would think.


Most team wins were 2v2, so it's doubtful.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 18:40:14
October 11 2010 18:39 GMT
#160
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Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
October 11 2010 18:41 GMT
#161
On October 12 2010 03:39 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 03:34 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:26 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:17 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:15 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:32 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:29 Deathstar wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:23 Offhand wrote:
Numbers time.

3000 1v1 + 3000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 8100 WINS needed to get all of those achievements.

Assuming a near 100% winrate for custom, co-op, and ffa (assuming you're in diamond, joining a ffa is pretty much a guaranteed win) and assuming about a 50% winrate for actual competitive games:

6000 1v1 + 6000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 14100 games played

14100 / 77 days since release = 183.1 games per day

From a time perspective, it seems pretty much impossible. Unless he attempted cheesing practically every game, the ranked ladder games along are too much time.

15 minutes per 1v1 game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per team game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per ffa game * 800 = 6000
4 minutes per custom * 400 = 1600
4 minutes per co-op game * 1000 = 4000
Total times spent in games =191600 minutes = 3193.3 hours = 133 days

But wait, that's almost twice as long as the game has actually been out. This heavily implies some kind of exploit, 4v4 game dropping, win trading, account sharing, etc. We haven't even taken into account all of the other achievements as well. Not as large of a time investment, but getting all the campaign, challenge, exploration, and combat achievements was probably a couple days dedicated work too.


Where did you pull 15 minutes from? This guy is grinding. If he cheeses and the cheese fails, he's most likely going to leave the game and not waste time.


If you cut 1v1 and team games down to 8 minutes, you still have this guy playing SC about 100% of the time. Things like sleep, food, etc aren't even considered. Almost all of his team wins are in 2v2, so it's likely he found another guy willing to grind that out.

EDIT: Nor are we counting things like time spent in matchmaking queue, load times, drops or disconnects, etc.

You're forgetting that the time it shows in match results is ingame time, which is 33% faster than IRL.


Everything I did was calculated in real time not game time.

Then you can cut all the times in like half. I dunno at what level you're playing, but at 1500 diamond LONG games take about 15 mins IRL. Average is 5-7. Cheese is about 3 mins, maybe faster.

What league are you in where long games are 15 minutes?

Show nested quote +

Then you can cut all the times in like half. I dunno at what level you're playing, but at 1500 diamond LONG games take about 15 mins IRL. Average is 5-7. Cheese is about 3 mins, maybe faster.

Take a wild guess.

15 minutes IRL is about 22-25 minutes in-game (in match results, what have you), which is long for an average ladder game.


8 minutes realtime is still too long.

+ Show Spoiler +
FFS this is like the third time I've had to post that.
LeCastor
Profile Joined July 2010
France234 Posts
October 11 2010 18:44 GMT
#162
He don't have the devoted fan achievements.

He has to do it all over again with a collectors edition cdkey.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 18:49:32
October 11 2010 18:46 GMT
#163
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
October 11 2010 18:48 GMT
#164
Well, then how's about you add the time he spends shitting eating and sleeping into your calculations.

I have a feeling that they will add A LOT.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 18:51:14
October 11 2010 18:49 GMT
#165
On October 12 2010 03:46 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 03:41 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:39 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:34 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:26 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:17 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:15 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:32 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:29 Deathstar wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:23 Offhand wrote:
Numbers time.

3000 1v1 + 3000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 8100 WINS needed to get all of those achievements.

Assuming a near 100% winrate for custom, co-op, and ffa (assuming you're in diamond, joining a ffa is pretty much a guaranteed win) and assuming about a 50% winrate for actual competitive games:

6000 1v1 + 6000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 14100 games played

14100 / 77 days since release = 183.1 games per day

From a time perspective, it seems pretty much impossible. Unless he attempted cheesing practically every game, the ranked ladder games along are too much time.

15 minutes per 1v1 game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per team game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per ffa game * 800 = 6000
4 minutes per custom * 400 = 1600
4 minutes per co-op game * 1000 = 4000
Total times spent in games =191600 minutes = 3193.3 hours = 133 days

But wait, that's almost twice as long as the game has actually been out. This heavily implies some kind of exploit, 4v4 game dropping, win trading, account sharing, etc. We haven't even taken into account all of the other achievements as well. Not as large of a time investment, but getting all the campaign, challenge, exploration, and combat achievements was probably a couple days dedicated work too.


Where did you pull 15 minutes from? This guy is grinding. If he cheeses and the cheese fails, he's most likely going to leave the game and not waste time.


If you cut 1v1 and team games down to 8 minutes, you still have this guy playing SC about 100% of the time. Things like sleep, food, etc aren't even considered. Almost all of his team wins are in 2v2, so it's likely he found another guy willing to grind that out.

EDIT: Nor are we counting things like time spent in matchmaking queue, load times, drops or disconnects, etc.

You're forgetting that the time it shows in match results is ingame time, which is 33% faster than IRL.


Everything I did was calculated in real time not game time.

Then you can cut all the times in like half. I dunno at what level you're playing, but at 1500 diamond LONG games take about 15 mins IRL. Average is 5-7. Cheese is about 3 mins, maybe faster.

What league are you in where long games are 15 minutes?


Then you can cut all the times in like half. I dunno at what level you're playing, but at 1500 diamond LONG games take about 15 mins IRL. Average is 5-7. Cheese is about 3 mins, maybe faster.

Take a wild guess.

15 minutes IRL is about 22-25 minutes in-game (in match results, what have you), which is long for an average ladder game.


8 minutes realtime is still too long.

+ Show Spoiler +
FFS this is like the third time I've had to post that.

Stop thinking you're the smartest one around.
8 minutes for an average ladder game where you don't aim for a win asap (cheese or not), not minimum. That and the fact that he can leave as soon as he senses a loss will cut down A LOT in your calculations.


Some numbers would help your argument. Until then, I'll continue looking at my own calculations which clearly point to some foul play here.

Also, you keep lowering the playtime for an "average" game. It's getting pretty laughable.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 18:59:30
October 11 2010 18:56 GMT
#166
Lets look at the numbers very quickly.

He has 13000 ladder games. Each game is a minimum 4 minutes (including search times etc.).

13000 x 4 = 52000

He has 375 custom games. Again let's assume more cheese and minimum 4 minutes.

375 x 4 = 1500

He has 820 FFA (holy shit, 800-20 record?). These are FFAs. There is no way this is taking less than ~ 10 minutes.

820 x 10 = 8200

He has 1625 co-op games. Again, let's assume more cheese and that this takes 4 minutes per game.

1625 x 4 = 6500

Add it all up. Total of 68200 minutes (1136 hours, 47 days).

At the ABSOLUTE minimum, it takes 47 days of constantly playing (no sleep) to accomplish this. Realistically, all of these games won't end in 4 minutes. Many of them will go longer. A more reasonable estimate is probably 5-6 minutes per game.

Also, if we assume 8 hours of sleep everyday, then this brings us up to 70+ days required to just play this many games. That means he has been sleeping 8 hours a day and doing nothing but SC2 every single other second of his life since the game came out. And again, this assumes that he somehow manages to keep all his games to 4 minutes.

What is the point I'm making here? What do you think is more likely: 1 guy has spent his entire life for the passed 3 months doing nothing but SC2 and sleep or that this account is being shared by a few people?

More importantly, is anyone else curious how he managed to have an 800-20 FFA record? I mean, he doesn't seem like a particularly remarkable player. So what sort of strategy could he possibly be doing???
Kaptein[konijn]
Profile Joined August 2005
Netherlands110 Posts
October 11 2010 18:57 GMT
#167
On October 12 2010 03:23 TOloseGT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 03:18 Kaptein[konijn] wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:06 blagoonga123 wrote:
I like how people are trying to cheapen his achievement by saying "IT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING LOL." If you think about it, neither does your rating, at least until you hit like 2000+.


There's a difference between playing to actually become good at a game and just going through the motions to receive the ultimate nerd achievement. And by "going through the motions", I really mean having no, absolutely NO life at all. This guy probably doesn't know what a vagina looks like. He's so nerdish that even porn sites reject him.

Utterly pathetic, but if he wants to waste his time, more power to him..


No matter how good you are it's ultimately useless in the grand scheme of things. He chose to go after an attainable goal and did it, what's your goal? Win the GSL?

One man's junk is another man's treasure. What I find utterly pathetic is your ill-founded contempt.


My goal is to have fun playing by watching my progress and being challenged in getting better. And i've reached that goal for every second that I've been playing.

Now tell me how satisfying and useful it was to go 12 hours a day, no sleep, no social life, no work, no study, no girl, to beat the insane computer 100 times in exactly the same way? The challenges for him were to avoid sunlight, human contact and not to fall asleep while going through the same endless motions.

Surely you can differentiate between the two?
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 19:00:15
October 11 2010 18:58 GMT
#168
On October 12 2010 03:48 L wrote:
Well, then how's about you add the time he spends shitting eating and sleeping into your calculations.

I have a feeling that they will add A LOT.


Pretty easy to do. Let's say our hero player manages 8 hours of sleep per day and 1 hour to do things unrelated to SC (speed-dial the pizza man, empty his bladder, shower). That takes 9 hours out of our 24 hour-SC-a-thon and cuts it down to 17 hours a day.

15 hours a day * 77 days since release = 1155 hours or 48 days to play SC. Looking at the post above mine, it's possible to do this if every waking hour of the past two months has been spent cheesing people.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
October 11 2010 18:58 GMT
#169
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
October 11 2010 19:00 GMT
#170
On October 12 2010 03:19 Chained wrote:
This is stupid, the max amount of achievements is 4960? wtf lol


Lots of people will be pissed it's not a nice number like 5000. It also makes no sense that Liberty Campaign ends at 1590.
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glassmazarin
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden158 Posts
October 11 2010 19:00 GMT
#171
On October 12 2010 03:46 Inori wrote:
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On October 12 2010 03:41 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:39 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:34 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:26 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:17 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:15 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:32 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:29 Deathstar wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:23 Offhand wrote:
Numbers time.

3000 1v1 + 3000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 8100 WINS needed to get all of those achievements.

Assuming a near 100% winrate for custom, co-op, and ffa (assuming you're in diamond, joining a ffa is pretty much a guaranteed win) and assuming about a 50% winrate for actual competitive games:

6000 1v1 + 6000 team games + 800 ffa + 1000 co-op + 300 custom = 14100 games played

14100 / 77 days since release = 183.1 games per day

From a time perspective, it seems pretty much impossible. Unless he attempted cheesing practically every game, the ranked ladder games along are too much time.

15 minutes per 1v1 game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per team game * 6000 = 90000
15 minutes per ffa game * 800 = 6000
4 minutes per custom * 400 = 1600
4 minutes per co-op game * 1000 = 4000
Total times spent in games =191600 minutes = 3193.3 hours = 133 days

But wait, that's almost twice as long as the game has actually been out. This heavily implies some kind of exploit, 4v4 game dropping, win trading, account sharing, etc. We haven't even taken into account all of the other achievements as well. Not as large of a time investment, but getting all the campaign, challenge, exploration, and combat achievements was probably a couple days dedicated work too.


Where did you pull 15 minutes from? This guy is grinding. If he cheeses and the cheese fails, he's most likely going to leave the game and not waste time.


If you cut 1v1 and team games down to 8 minutes, you still have this guy playing SC about 100% of the time. Things like sleep, food, etc aren't even considered. Almost all of his team wins are in 2v2, so it's likely he found another guy willing to grind that out.

EDIT: Nor are we counting things like time spent in matchmaking queue, load times, drops or disconnects, etc.

You're forgetting that the time it shows in match results is ingame time, which is 33% faster than IRL.


Everything I did was calculated in real time not game time.

Then you can cut all the times in like half. I dunno at what level you're playing, but at 1500 diamond LONG games take about 15 mins IRL. Average is 5-7. Cheese is about 3 mins, maybe faster.

What league are you in where long games are 15 minutes?


Then you can cut all the times in like half. I dunno at what level you're playing, but at 1500 diamond LONG games take about 15 mins IRL. Average is 5-7. Cheese is about 3 mins, maybe faster.

Take a wild guess.

15 minutes IRL is about 22-25 minutes in-game (in match results, what have you), which is long for an average ladder game.


8 minutes realtime is still too long.

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FFS this is like the third time I've had to post that.

Stop thinking you're the smartest one around.
8 minutes for an average ladder game where you don't aim for a win asap (cheese or not), not minimum. That and the fact that he can leave as soon as he senses a loss will cut down A LOT in your calculations.


/Edit: if you'd actually do some research, then you would've seen that he massed join-leave games in different team games http://sc2ranks.com/kr/305393/잉여 so that also cuts down in calculations.



Offhand did state that he could not have gotten all those wins without some kind of exploit, and it turns out he was right.. Good work of proving his point!
Revenger
Profile Joined September 2010
United States74 Posts
October 11 2010 19:00 GMT
#172
Im really happy for you and ima let you finish but why is the score for full achievement doesn't round up to 5000 and it stops at 4960.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 19:03:41
October 11 2010 19:02 GMT
#173
On October 12 2010 03:58 Inori wrote:
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On October 12 2010 03:49 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:46 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:41 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:39 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:34 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:26 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:17 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:15 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:32 Offhand wrote:
[quote]

If you cut 1v1 and team games down to 8 minutes, you still have this guy playing SC about 100% of the time. Things like sleep, food, etc aren't even considered. Almost all of his team wins are in 2v2, so it's likely he found another guy willing to grind that out.

EDIT: Nor are we counting things like time spent in matchmaking queue, load times, drops or disconnects, etc.

You're forgetting that the time it shows in match results is ingame time, which is 33% faster than IRL.


Everything I did was calculated in real time not game time.

Then you can cut all the times in like half. I dunno at what level you're playing, but at 1500 diamond LONG games take about 15 mins IRL. Average is 5-7. Cheese is about 3 mins, maybe faster.

What league are you in where long games are 15 minutes?


Then you can cut all the times in like half. I dunno at what level you're playing, but at 1500 diamond LONG games take about 15 mins IRL. Average is 5-7. Cheese is about 3 mins, maybe faster.

Take a wild guess.

15 minutes IRL is about 22-25 minutes in-game (in match results, what have you), which is long for an average ladder game.


8 minutes realtime is still too long.

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FFS this is like the third time I've had to post that.

Stop thinking you're the smartest one around.
8 minutes for an average ladder game where you don't aim for a win asap (cheese or not), not minimum. That and the fact that he can leave as soon as he senses a loss will cut down A LOT in your calculations.


Some numbers would help your argument. Until then, I'll continue looking at my own calculations which clearly point to some foul play here.

Also, you keep lowering the playtime for an "average" game. It's getting pretty laughable.

Are you a troll?

What more numbers do you need? Do some research? Actually look up the guys info before accusing him of something and/or making a fool out of yourself on the forums? Your calculations can be cut in like 3/4th without even assuming that he cheesed 24/7.

I dunno, maybe at 700 diamond it's a turtle fest and average games really do take 15 minutes+, I wouldn't know. Although cheese is still cheese, shouldn't take any longer.


You have an opinion, I have math. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if yours is wrong.

Go to the start menu and hit "all programs" you'll find a folder there named "accessories". Hit the calculator option and get to it.
Hugoboss21
Profile Joined June 2009
France346 Posts
October 11 2010 19:02 GMT
#174
On October 11 2010 19:09 phaded wrote:
He doesn't have the Collector's Edition Feat of Strength. Not quite the perfect score


he has the achievement for not wasting 40$ and giving it to blizzard (its hidden)
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
October 11 2010 19:03 GMT
#175
On October 12 2010 02:16 jjl wrote:
He is missing the collector's edition achievement (feat of strength), haha.

Yup, I will always have one up on this guy
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 19:09:35
October 11 2010 19:07 GMT
#176
Relax Inori. I don't see why you think he is mass joining/leaving games in team games. In all his 3v3/4v4 groups he has > 50% win rate (which obviously won't happen if you're just joining/leaving). Most of his 2v2 teams are > 50% as well. The majority of his team wins come from a single 2v2 partner (where he has 4k games played). And look at my calculations. I assume a BARE MINIMUM of 4 minutes per game and show that this is only possible with 8 hours of sleep and SC2 every single other second of his life since the game came out.

It's just not likely.

EDIT: looks like his 2v2 partner in crime almost has 4960 himself. Just needs a little over 100 more achievement points.
utaki
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada42 Posts
October 11 2010 19:08 GMT
#177
Holy this guy put a lot of time into this game getting all the achievements
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 11 2010 19:12 GMT
#178
Someone on the Korean server should add him and see what sort of BO he has in those FFA games. I really want to know how he's doing it lol
professorjoak
Profile Joined July 2008
318 Posts
October 11 2010 19:15 GMT
#179
On October 12 2010 03:46 Inori wrote:

/Edit: if you'd actually do some research, then you would've seen that he massed join-leave games in different team games http://sc2ranks.com/kr/305393/잉여 so that also cuts down in calculations.



If you check SC2ranks and look at his graph of points/time you can also see that within the last couple weeks he went from bronze to diamond in 1v1.
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GiantHandBanana
Profile Joined April 2010
United States51 Posts
October 11 2010 19:16 GMT
#180
On October 12 2010 04:07 DoomsVille wrote:
Relax Inori. I don't see why you think he is mass joining/leaving games in team games. In all his 3v3/4v4 groups he has > 50% win rate (which obviously won't happen if you're just joining/leaving). Most of his 2v2 teams are > 50% as well. The majority of his team wins come from a single 2v2 partner (where he has 4k games played). And look at my calculations. I assume a BARE MINIMUM of 4 minutes per game and show that this is only possible with 8 hours of sleep and SC2 every single other second of his life since the game came out.

It's just not likely.

EDIT: looks like his 2v2 partner in crime almost has 4960 himself. Just needs a little over 100 more achievement points.

I feel like join/leaving in diamond games would get you a much higher winrate than join/leaving in bronze games... the extra income won't matter to bronze players, but it will to diamond. My win many more games than I lose when one of my teammates leaves early... I don't think it's really all that hard to believe that he'd have a >50% win rate
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
October 11 2010 19:20 GMT
#181
On October 12 2010 04:03 Mastermind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 02:16 jjl wrote:
He is missing the collector's edition achievement (feat of strength), haha.

Yup, I will always have one up on this guy


The collector's edition achievement gives 0 points. It's worthless.
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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
October 11 2010 19:23 GMT
#182
On October 12 2010 04:20 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 04:03 Mastermind wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:16 jjl wrote:
He is missing the collector's edition achievement (feat of strength), haha.

Yup, I will always have one up on this guy


The collector's edition achievement gives 0 points. It's worthless.

I find this post very funny haha.
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
October 11 2010 19:57 GMT
#183
On October 12 2010 04:02 Offhand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 03:58 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:49 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:46 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:41 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:39 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:34 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:26 Inori wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:17 Offhand wrote:
On October 12 2010 03:15 Inori wrote:
[quote]
You're forgetting that the time it shows in match results is ingame time, which is 33% faster than IRL.


Everything I did was calculated in real time not game time.

Then you can cut all the times in like half. I dunno at what level you're playing, but at 1500 diamond LONG games take about 15 mins IRL. Average is 5-7. Cheese is about 3 mins, maybe faster.

What league are you in where long games are 15 minutes?


Then you can cut all the times in like half. I dunno at what level you're playing, but at 1500 diamond LONG games take about 15 mins IRL. Average is 5-7. Cheese is about 3 mins, maybe faster.

Take a wild guess.

15 minutes IRL is about 22-25 minutes in-game (in match results, what have you), which is long for an average ladder game.


8 minutes realtime is still too long.

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FFS this is like the third time I've had to post that.

Stop thinking you're the smartest one around.
8 minutes for an average ladder game where you don't aim for a win asap (cheese or not), not minimum. That and the fact that he can leave as soon as he senses a loss will cut down A LOT in your calculations.


Some numbers would help your argument. Until then, I'll continue looking at my own calculations which clearly point to some foul play here.

Also, you keep lowering the playtime for an "average" game. It's getting pretty laughable.

Are you a troll?

What more numbers do you need? Do some research? Actually look up the guys info before accusing him of something and/or making a fool out of yourself on the forums? Your calculations can be cut in like 3/4th without even assuming that he cheesed 24/7.

I dunno, maybe at 700 diamond it's a turtle fest and average games really do take 15 minutes+, I wouldn't know. Although cheese is still cheese, shouldn't take any longer.


You have an opinion, I have math. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if yours is wrong.

Go to the start menu and hit "all programs" you'll find a folder there named "accessories". Hit the calculator option and get to it.


Your math isn't the problem here, but that 15 minute average game time. Even if you use math it's just an opinion if you pull the numbers out of your ass.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
October 11 2010 20:04 GMT
#184
On October 11 2010 18:37 backtoback wrote:
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On October 11 2010 18:36 yongming wrote:
He's diamond on 1v1,2v2,3v3 and 4v4 too. T_T


you say it like it's hard ROFL

To play thousands of games to get achievements in diamond? Yea, it's pretty hard. The people who did it on US did it in bronze.
leeznon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States255 Posts
October 11 2010 20:21 GMT
#185
wow
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Pobearo
Profile Joined August 2009
United States351 Posts
October 11 2010 20:41 GMT
#186
This guy really likes starcraft. A lot.
Megaman
Profile Joined August 2010
United States19 Posts
October 11 2010 20:46 GMT
#187
This is some extensive goal completion.

Also, there is a surplus of disparaging comments in this thread, as is often found online.
NeXiLe
Profile Joined February 2006
Canada262 Posts
October 11 2010 20:52 GMT
#188
Am I the only one that things they should made all those achievements add up to 5000, not 4960?
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 20:57:25
October 11 2010 20:56 GMT
#189
On October 12 2010 05:52 NeXiLe wrote:
Am I the only one that things they should made all those achievements add up to 5000, not 4960?


Nope, 4 more achivements pls Blizzard.
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GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 20:57:46
October 11 2010 20:57 GMT
#190
oops double post
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Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
October 11 2010 21:01 GMT
#191
did he do this legitly?
i like cheese
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 11 2010 21:17 GMT
#192
On October 12 2010 05:41 Pobearo wrote:
This guy really likes starcraft. A lot.


Don't we all? If I wasn't working I'd play way more than is probably healthy. Especially with the weather getting cold and all.
whatsgrackalackin420
Combine
Profile Joined July 2010
United States812 Posts
October 11 2010 21:19 GMT
#193
On October 12 2010 05:52 NeXiLe wrote:
Am I the only one that things they should made all those achievements add up to 5000, not 4960?

Yeah. Quite a random number to end on.
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Gillatron
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada3 Posts
October 11 2010 21:19 GMT
#194
Haha he is probably just really good at cheesing and if he isn't gonna win the game he just leaves...I can't think of another way someone could possibly get so many wins so quickly.
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jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
October 11 2010 21:21 GMT
#195
On October 12 2010 06:19 Combine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 05:52 NeXiLe wrote:
Am I the only one that things they should made all those achievements add up to 5000, not 4960?

Yeah. Quite a random number to end on.


lol watch there be a "hidden" achievement that's worth 40.

you dont even know what it is until it randomly pops up when you've accomplished it >=D
TheMafia
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada7 Posts
October 13 2010 13:46 GMT
#196
http://tcpm.mrlazyinc.com/?m=news&nid=56

Thats what i think about that....
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Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
October 13 2010 13:50 GMT
#197
On October 12 2010 06:01 Phanekim wrote:
did he do this legitly?


In all probability? No.
Bob300
Profile Joined April 2010
United States505 Posts
October 13 2010 14:07 GMT
#198
Wow... thats ridiculous. Did he do it legit? or with that achievement hack thats out there?
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DatsyuK
Profile Joined October 2010
United States28 Posts
October 13 2010 14:44 GMT
#199
That's dedication
Squisher
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8 Posts
October 13 2010 14:58 GMT
#200
Its not legit, judging by the FFA wins. This is the sticking point. He won 400 FFAs in 24-47 hours. You are looking at less than 8.5 minutes per ffa. He must have used a team. If all members are in the game the rest leave for a fast win. If not, its a gang bang on the remaining players.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
October 13 2010 15:05 GMT
#201
another win farmer that leaves his teams hanging and leeches off their victories. i admire his dedication but he doesn't deserve his achievements.
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SugarBear
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States842 Posts
October 13 2010 16:50 GMT
#202
Half the posts in this thread remind me of that comic where day9 is like "We aren't trying to have fun, we're trying to crush noobs".

I wonder if these guys think Funday Monday is a waste of time too? Achievement hunting is fun for some people. I'm betting a lot of the guys in this thread are just angry cause someone had fun in the game instead of getting pissed off because they lost 3 ladder games in a row.
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Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
October 13 2010 18:51 GMT
#203
Terranist: he does deserve the achievements, but it just goes to show you how stupid and pointless achievements really are. Top players have like 100 achievement points, a high achievement score is nothing more than proof of too much time to waste + some level of completionist OCD.

Speaking of which, I have too much time to waste and am a stupid achievement whore as well. Never did it in any other games before, but if I was ever going to do it, I figured SC2 is the best game to try it out.

I need the 2v2 and 3v3 insane co-op achievements (win with all race combos, and 15 win streaks). Anyone else interested in doing this, or know where I could find good players to do it with? I'm possibly up for farming additional wins, depends how long the games take.

I have seen people open threads to ask this, they get closed down and told "there's already achievement hunter threads to post in", but I have never found a thread like that.
BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 19:06:23
October 13 2010 18:59 GMT
#204
On October 14 2010 03:51 Chocobo wrote:
Terranist: he does deserve the achievements, but it just goes to show you how stupid and pointless achievements really are. Top players have like 100 achievement points, a high achievement score is nothing more than proof of too much time to waste + some level of completionist OCD.


uh team-game win-farming has been recognized as a legitimate issue by blizzard, and it will be addressed soon. Clearly it was not intended to be abused in order to quickly gain achievements.

So no, he doesn't deserve his team quick match achievements. Unless he got all his 3000 wins legit, in that case props to him.
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Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
October 13 2010 19:17 GMT
#205
Depends on how you define "deserve". The achievement says "get the wins", not "get the wins plus the following restrictions:". In a literal sense they have achieved what is required.

It's understandable why some people would call it not legit. But some people would call worker rushing unfair... some would even call 6 pooling cheating. Where do you draw the line? You can't go by opinion... the rules have to be set by the game itself. Have it disallow wins if you leave too early or whatever.

But right now, the game sets no rules, so technically they did achieve 1000 wins.

I am curious if Blizzard is going to remove achievements and wins from people who used this method. They didn't actually break any rules.
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
October 13 2010 19:19 GMT
#206
I guess Korea is dominating achievements too
I thought the foreigners might have the upper hand on this one
BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 20:45:57
October 13 2010 20:10 GMT
#207
On October 14 2010 04:17 Chocobo wrote:
Depends on how you define "deserve". The achievement says "get the wins", not "get the wins plus the following restrictions:". In a literal sense they have achieved what is required.

It's understandable why some people would call it not legit. But some people would call worker rushing unfair... some would even call 6 pooling cheating. Where do you draw the line? You can't go by opinion... the rules have to be set by the game itself. Have it disallow wins if you leave too early or whatever.


worker-rush/6-pool can easily be beaten.

When someone in your 4v4 game leaves your team within the first 5 seconds...there's nothing you can do, your team is now at a disadvantage.

Are you saying that if you intentionally leave a 4v4 game at the very beginning, that you "deserve" credit for the win if the team wins? Uh....of course not. Anyone reasonable would define "deserve" as "get by NOT abusing/exploiting the system". People who start & leave 20+ 4v4 games per hour to get wins are clearly abusing/exploiting the system. Now of course they're not going to get banned or anything. But in my eyes (and 99% of the community) these people clearly don't deserve the wins they get from win-farming.

Not sure how you're even making an argument against this o_O

And btw Blizzard has stated they will fix this by not giving you a win if you join & quickly leave a game: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/777597897?page=2#32
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ExileStrife
Profile Joined February 2009
United States170 Posts
October 13 2010 20:42 GMT
#208
On October 13 2010 22:46 TheMafia wrote:
http://tcpm.mrlazyinc.com/?m=news&nid=56

Thats what i think about that....


A bad assumption was to assume 25 minute lengths for every game. The 3000 1v1s were more around 5 or less. Also for the team games, you can do a ton of them in parallel because you join and leave and immediately start searching for a new one while the one you left continues.
Dementophobia
Profile Joined July 2009
Austria64 Posts
October 13 2010 21:14 GMT
#209
This is amazing, great work man! It must have taken a really long time to get every single achievement. Maybe he shared his account, but I just want to believe it is true.

I don't care how many people in this thread want to bash him, in my eyes he's a hero .
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 21:21:06
October 13 2010 21:20 GMT
#210
On October 12 2010 04:23 Jyvblamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2010 04:20 Deathstar wrote:
On October 12 2010 04:03 Mastermind wrote:
On October 12 2010 02:16 jjl wrote:
He is missing the collector's edition achievement (feat of strength), haha.

Yup, I will always have one up on this guy


The collector's edition achievement gives 0 points. It's worthless.

I find this post very funny haha.


What's the point of sharing that you found my post funny?
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See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
October 13 2010 21:25 GMT
#211
I sense much nerd-heirarchy elitism in this thread. Congrats to whoever this guy is
DoubleLariat
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada190 Posts
October 13 2010 21:44 GMT
#212
On October 12 2010 00:35 Joetoney wrote:
Does it say he got the FFA 400 achievement on 10.10.2010 and then the 800 achiev on 10.11? in one day?


Yeah I'm not buying this for some reason.....
jabberwocky
Profile Joined August 2010
Singapore59 Posts
October 13 2010 21:45 GMT
#213
On October 11 2010 18:38 Bair wrote:
He will enjoy his 5 minutes of feeling good and move on to his next OCD-induced hobby.


Well said!
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DoubleLariat
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada190 Posts
October 13 2010 21:46 GMT
#214
Maybe someone can clear this up for me actually, is it possible to have an account logged into multiple machines at once to multi box?

I know this will probably invite trolls, but I'm just a skeptic... being in law does that to you.
Skeyser
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada219 Posts
October 13 2010 22:13 GMT
#215
On October 14 2010 06:46 DoubleLariat wrote:
Maybe someone can clear this up for me actually, is it possible to have an account logged into multiple machines at once to multi box?

I know this will probably invite trolls, but I'm just a skeptic... being in law does that to you.


Nope, it doesn't work.

VonLego
Profile Joined June 2010
United States519 Posts
October 13 2010 22:25 GMT
#216
On October 11 2010 19:15 MICHELLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 18:37 backtoback wrote:
On October 11 2010 18:36 yongming wrote:
He's diamond on 1v1,2v2,3v3 and 4v4 too. T_T


you say it like it's hard ROFL


It's much more hard on the korean server than on the US server....


4v4 diamond is not hard, sorry buddy.
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
October 13 2010 22:26 GMT
#217
Damn. That's impressive, I guess--though if he had spent even half of that time doing serious practice, he'd probably be a GSL contender.
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Malminos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States321 Posts
October 13 2010 22:28 GMT
#218
On October 11 2010 18:38 Bair wrote:
He will enjoy his 5 minutes of feeling good and move on to his next OCD-induced hobby.


Hahaha so very true. Like the person who got all the achievements in WoW. Maybe its the same guy

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IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
October 13 2010 22:34 GMT
#219
This is sick!...

+ Show Spoiler +
...waste of time
Forever Vulture.. :(
Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
October 13 2010 23:41 GMT
#220
On October 14 2010 05:10 BlasiuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2010 04:17 Chocobo wrote:
Depends on how you define "deserve". The achievement says "get the wins", not "get the wins plus the following restrictions:". In a literal sense they have achieved what is required.

It's understandable why some people would call it not legit. But some people would call worker rushing unfair... some would even call 6 pooling cheating. Where do you draw the line? You can't go by opinion... the rules have to be set by the game itself. Have it disallow wins if you leave too early or whatever.


worker-rush/6-pool can easily be beaten.

When someone in your 4v4 game leaves your team within the first 5 seconds...there's nothing you can do, your team is now at a disadvantage.

Are you saying that if you intentionally leave a 4v4 game at the very beginning, that you "deserve" credit for the win if the team wins? Uh....of course not. Anyone reasonable would define "deserve" as "get by NOT abusing/exploiting the system". People who start & leave 20+ 4v4 games per hour to get wins are clearly abusing/exploiting the system. Now of course they're not going to get banned or anything. But in my eyes (and 99% of the community) these people clearly don't deserve the wins they get from win-farming.

Not sure how you're even making an argument against this o_O

And btw Blizzard has stated they will fix this by not giving you a win if you join & quickly leave a game: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/777597897?page=2#32


Worker rush and 6 pool can be beaten... and teams can also win with a player missing. If you 6 pool and fail, your team is also at a disadvantage. My point is, the rules can't be set by player opinion because different people have different opinions.

Win farmers are certainly exploiting the system, I agree. But there's no rule against using the most effective way to achieve the goal. When I got the "defeat 4 Very Hard AI" and "2 Insane AI" achievements, I exploited the weaknesses in the programming. I made them play zerg, and took advantage of the fact that Zerg AI never makes anything that can beat a cannon walloff, and responds very poorly against void rays. Sure, that's not exactly the same thing as avoiding the battle altogether... but who gets to decide whether this is allowed or not?

The game itself has to define the rules and allow/not allow certain things to work. Otherwise we're in the realm of "don't throw me in Street Fighter, that's cheese and you can't do that!" "Don't 4-pool me, that's not fair because I can't beat it!"

Now I actually agree that this is an exploit and win farming never should been allowed to take place at all. But I would be opposed to any bans or removal of wins/achievements, because these players did not break any rules, and some people would commend them for taking the most direct path.
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