EPTNTT quits Starcraft 2 (?) - Page 26
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
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hellsan631
United States695 Posts
On October 07 2010 05:09 FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I completely agree with NTT that there are just too many gimmicky units in the game, which turns the game into a massive cheese-fest at times. I think the game would be better off without void rays, cloaked banshees, reapers, salvaging bunkers (decreases the risk involved with cheesy offensive bunkers), mass auto-scv repair, and other gimmicks which even pro's like Idra lose to. Maybe I'm crazy and boring, but I'd prefer a game without proxies, offensive-cannons, offensive pylon wallins etc. I'd rather have a game where the winner wins from micro, macro, mechanics, and positional strategies like surrounds, flanks, backstabs, base trades etc, not from simple cheesy build orders that any noob can master, and beat even the best on occasion. Having said that, I still play the game because I think its very fun and exiting. Have you played broodwar? DT's, cannon rushes, vultures, dark swarm, plaguu, storms, and the list goes on and on! All of these units are "gimmicky" and "overpowered", but thats what created such a dynamic in the game, and allowed players to comeback from situations which they were not favored in. The difference really is the lack of larger, more macro based maps, that make a huge impact on the game. | ||
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Rifty
Canada76 Posts
SC2 is not SC1 with updated graphics, nor should it ever be. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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whipple
United States13 Posts
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john0507
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FrostedMiniWeet
United States636 Posts
On October 07 2010 05:09 FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I completely agree with NTT that there are just too many gimmicky units in the game, which turns the game into a massive cheese-fest at times. I think the game would be better off without void rays, cloaked banshees, reapers, salvaging bunkers (decreases the risk involved with cheesy offensive bunkers), mass auto-scv repair, and other gimmicks which even pro's like Idra lose to. Maybe I'm crazy and boring, but I'd prefer a game without proxies, offensive-cannons, offensive pylon wallins etc. I'd rather have a game where the winner wins from micro, macro, mechanics, and positional strategies like surrounds, flanks, backstabs, base trades etc, not from simple cheesy build orders that any noob can master, and beat even the best on occasion. Having said that, I still play the game because I think its very fun and exiting. Have you played broodwar? DT's, cannon rushes, vultures, dark swarm, plaguu, storms, and the list goes on and on! All of these units are "gimmicky" and "overpowered", but thats what created such a dynamic in the game, and allowed players to comeback from situations which they were not favored in. The difference really is the lack of larger, more macro based maps, that make a huge impact on the game. I have played BW, since way back in the day with NTT actually. BW definitely had cheese too, but vultures, dark swarm, plague and storms were not cheese, they were absolutely necessary in order to be on equal ground with your opponent. Terran in SC2 could completely go without reapers, cloaked banshees, and salvageable bunkers and still do just as well even at the highest levels. Protoss could do without void rays so early as well, as they do have a purpose other than cheese, which is to be effective against capital ships and other such late game units, but at their current tech level they just turn into a cheesy option. While BW had cheese two, there weren't as many cheese options, and they typically required at least a decent level of skill and micro to pull off against a player of equal or greater skill. | ||
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
YOU TELL THEM NTT ! THAT RIGHT THERE IS MY BOOOOIIII !! bw for life (we should really make a club guys , with a clever name too) | ||
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haflo
140 Posts
no matter how good or knowladgable you are there is no reason to burn bridges generalise population and bilittle a game that a large amount of people enjoy . i hope NTT will have a fun time/success if he decide to go back to the bw, or if he will attempt sc2 again , i wish him goodluck and hope to see innovating games from him . as a guy that moved from a game or two to a sequal i know how hard it can be , the only free advice is in order to adapt you need to consider yourself a (relativly) n00b and have an open mind to adapt. about SC2 i think GSL and the subscribers talk for themself , personnaly i belive it will have a great future , and i can't wait  and please bw / sc2 people lets not fight and laught at wow people together ! | ||
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reki-
Netherlands327 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On October 07 2010 05:21 hellsan631 wrote: Have you played broodwar? DT's, cannon rushes, vultures, dark swarm, plaguu, storms, and the list goes on and on! All of these units are "gimmicky" and "overpowered", but thats what created such a dynamic in the game, and allowed players to comeback from situations which they were not favored in. The difference really is the lack of larger, more macro based maps, that make a huge impact on the game. The last 4 of your list had a big difference in they were actually skillful to use and not gimmicky strategies at all. I'm not a fan of DT's (though sair/dt is pretty skilled), but it feels like a lot of strategies are similar in effectiveness to DT's in that it works and you win or they defend it and you don't with little skill actually involved. | ||
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Perscienter
957 Posts
Terran Region race rank #72 (0.60% of 12,097, 99th percentile) He belongs to the best percentile of players and Terrans on the NA server in the diamond league. Roughly 8% of the players on NA play in diamond. I know, it has a bad reputation, but if you criticize him for being a bad player, you really have to think about your demands. | ||
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rel
Guam3521 Posts
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
On October 06 2010 15:49 adeezy wrote: Who is NTT? Not Trying to Troll =/. Well, I hope he really isn't. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On October 07 2010 06:02 Perscienter wrote: ntt Terran Region race rank #72 (0.60% of 12,097, 99th percentile) He belongs to the best percentile of players and Terrans on the NA server in the diamond league. Roughly 8% of the players on NA play in diamond. I know, it has a bad reputation, but if you criticize him for being a bad player, you really have to think about your demands. I don't think it really matters for this discussion either way. The only reason anyone listens to him is because of what he did in SC1. In SC2 he's nothing, despite being in 99th percentile. Anyway, it's possible to tell differences in skill at elite levels. If you watched Tennis and all games were played on hard courts, then someone introduced clay courts, and some guy who was top 10 on hard courts for a brief time, who is now top 100 at clay courts, goes off about how the clay courts don't properly emphasize the skills that Tennis ought to emphasize, then everyone would just be like "lol what". It's something like that imo. Some other smart and knowledgeable people have other opinions but it's too early to say either way. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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FrostedMiniWeet
United States636 Posts
I don't think it really matters for this discussion either way. The only reason anyone listens to him is because of what he did in SC1. In SC2 he's nothing, despite being in 99th percentile. Anyway, it's possible to tell differences in skill at elite levels. If you watched Tennis and all games were played on hard courts, then someone introduced clay courts, and some guy who was top 10 on hard courts for a brief time, who is now top 100 at clay courts, goes off about how the clay courts don't properly emphasize the skills that Tennis ought to emphasize, then everyone would just be like "lol what". It's something like that imo. Some other smart and knowledgeable people have other opinions but it's too early to say either way. Hey Tyler, do you think that the gimmicks in the game (SC2) are too powerful or diverse? Do you feel like you can reliably defeat a weaker opponent, despite anything they throw at you? Thanks. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
His game vs Socke on Steppes of War was the epitome of someone who has no class. He turtles up and goes Battlecruisers, and then when he is winning he tells Socke this strategy doesn't work 99% of the time and it is bullshit that Terran can't do anything against a Protoss mid-game as Socke was getting raped. You really think someone who made an impact on the former game 11 years ago would have matured at least a little, but guess not. He can go flip burgers and think his opinion still matters to anyone. This topic pisses me off because it is obvious he loves the attention he gets, positive or negative. Don't give notoriety to immature nooby assholes. | ||
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
On October 07 2010 06:12 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I don't think it really matters for this discussion either way. The only reason anyone listens to him is because of what he did in SC1. In SC2 he's nothing, despite being in 99th percentile. Anyway, it's possible to tell differences in skill at elite levels. If you watched Tennis and all games were played on hard courts, then someone introduced clay courts, and some guy who was top 10 on hard courts for a brief time, who is now top 100 at clay courts, goes off about how the clay courts don't properly emphasize the skills that Tennis ought to emphasize, then everyone would just be like "lol what". It's something like that imo. Some other smart and knowledgeable people have other opinions but it's too early to say either way. Tyler: A voice of reason in a thread full of people just typing whatever comes into their brain and hitting post. It seems like a lot of experienced SC1 players like Tyler and Day9 are taking the wait and see approach to SC2. True, there are some NTTs, but I think there are far more Tylers and Day9s who prefer to wait for the game to develop before calling out "imbalanced" or "broken" or "not enough skill." Day9's right, Blizzard has a long track record of making sure that their RTS games can sustain competitive play at the highest level. | ||
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FrostedMiniWeet
United States636 Posts
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