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Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
September 24 2010 12:20 GMT
#1261
On September 24 2010 21:16 JustPlay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 15:36 Incanus wrote:
Uh, no, it's different for SC because SC2 is trying to live up to SC:BW, probably the deepest, most balanced RTS ever. Games that are accepted as imbalanced are inherently more shallow. That, or let's all go play AoE instead.
AoE was imbalanced. In AoE1 only 1-2 races were worth playing because their racial bonuses pretty much meant they would win. It's funny because ensemble made zero effort to balance it.

On the positive side, you can play all races in AoE because they all play nearly the same. Civ bonuses were meant to "cater to playstyles" or some other foolish WoW-esque motto that never will work that way in high level play.


Assyran and Yamato.. -_-
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
September 24 2010 12:22 GMT
#1262
spoiler for cool's game today
+ Show Spoiler +
maybe his mind has changed after today, and certainly if he continues to do so well. it would be hilarious if he wins the tournament then switches lol. i would be sad though if he changed since his play was so inspiring today
jaedong imba
nOia.pod
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary263 Posts
September 24 2010 12:24 GMT
#1263
On September 24 2010 21:22 slappy wrote:
spoiler for cool's game today
+ Show Spoiler +
maybe his mind has changed after today, and certainly if he continues to do so well. it would be hilarious if he wins the tournament then switches lol. i would be sad though if he changed since his play was so inspiring today


It was a total relief for him.
You see? The Drone became an extractor!
theSAiNT
Profile Joined July 2009
United States726 Posts
September 24 2010 12:30 GMT
#1264
On September 24 2010 16:10 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
This is so sad to see. Even top tier Zerg players are struggling and started to rage about imbalances. It's so hard to fend off air without investing too much into hydras and mutas and get over run elsewhere. Hydras really need to go back to tier 1.5 and deal a little less damage and cost a little less. It's so stupid to see a tier 2 unit with 80 HP. Right now, the hydralisk is so underused because it's slow and easily hard countered. So what's Zerg's only plausible "AA"? More mutas.

How you can make Zerg have no AA (don't give me the queen crap), until mutas/corruptors? There's just something wrong with this formula.


That's what they did for Red Alert 3. Empire didn't have AA until tier 2. And that was really balanced... oh wait.
Floophead_III
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1832 Posts
September 24 2010 12:31 GMT
#1265
On September 24 2010 21:24 nOia.pod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 21:22 slappy wrote:
spoiler for cool's game today
+ Show Spoiler +
maybe his mind has changed after today, and certainly if he continues to do so well. it would be hilarious if he wins the tournament then switches lol. i would be sad though if he changed since his play was so inspiring today


It was a total relief for him.


Spoilering for the time being:
+ Show Spoiler +
He got really really really lucky game 3. Top played the same dumb mass thor off double expand build instead of going straight for a thor drop on the nat ledge which would have won the game. He could have done a number of 2 base or 1 base allins, basically ANYTHING before cool had 90 drones and ultra tech. Against a more abusive opponent I think Cool would've lost.
Half man, half bear, half pig.
diesirae
Profile Joined August 2010
United States37 Posts
September 24 2010 12:35 GMT
#1266
On September 24 2010 07:48 MichaelJLowell wrote:
For those of you who aren't good enough to play professional and play Zerg because it's your favorite race: If Zerg is truly underpowered and going to get an inevitable buff, why not just gut it out until Blizzard fixes it?


Personally, because I don't find it fun to have to sit back macro-ing while I wait for the other player to blow his load. All I want as Zerg is some legitimate attacking options, other than Mutas which everyone with a brain prepares for now.
lovewithlea
Profile Joined March 2010
168 Posts
September 24 2010 12:35 GMT
#1267
On September 24 2010 21:31 Floophead_III wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 21:24 nOia.pod wrote:
On September 24 2010 21:22 slappy wrote:
spoiler for cool's game today
+ Show Spoiler +
maybe his mind has changed after today, and certainly if he continues to do so well. it would be hilarious if he wins the tournament then switches lol. i would be sad though if he changed since his play was so inspiring today


It was a total relief for him.


Spoilering for the time being:
+ Show Spoiler +
He got really really really lucky game 3. Top played the same dumb mass thor off double expand build instead of going straight for a thor drop on the nat ledge which would have won the game. He could have done a number of 2 base or 1 base allins, basically ANYTHING before cool had 90 drones and ultra tech. Against a more abusive opponent I think Cool would've lost.



exactly


+ Show Spoiler +
TOP just did the same mistake twice. going double expo after little to no(game1) harass. letting Cool macro up for a looong time
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
September 24 2010 12:36 GMT
#1268
Queens are fine as anti-air actually. THough they can only be used defensively. ANyway agree with Hydras being useless against every terran unit almost. The problem in balancing them IMO is that it seems to be a pretty balanced unit vs protos, and changing them to tier 1,5 likely will make them a bit too strongs vs protos (or just require a complete change in design). Switching roaches and hydras in tech (so roaches become tier2) is a mistake as well, as an hellions are pretty good vs ling/hydras. So balancing the hydra is not an easy task, and I kind of think it was a mistake from blizzards side not to adress this problem in the beta, because you probably cant make any huge changes in the game right now, so the hydra will prob. continue to be an useless unit vs terran till the expansion gets out.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 24 2010 12:36 GMT
#1269
On September 24 2010 20:58 MrCon wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
the bug costed TOP the first game, but not really the third. In game one it was a sick, sick defense by TOP, but he was screwed by cool targeting buildings :/

+ Show Spoiler +
You're joking, it was like 12 ultras vs 1 thor + buildings. OMG OP?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
chirievalord
Profile Joined May 2009
Costa Rica92 Posts
September 24 2010 12:39 GMT
#1270
Good thing is I can ladder low diamond as zerg no problem ^^
Grond
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
599 Posts
September 24 2010 12:45 GMT
#1271
On September 24 2010 21:36 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 20:58 MrCon wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
the bug costed TOP the first game, but not really the third. In game one it was a sick, sick defense by TOP, but he was screwed by cool targeting buildings :/

+ Show Spoiler +
You're joking, it was like 12 ultras vs 1 thor + buildings. OMG OP?


+ Show Spoiler +
The buildings rarely factored into it. It was mainly Thor vs Ultra and Ultras were significantly better vs Thors before the patch. Poor decision making to go mass Thor, almost any other composition would have won game 3.

P.S. It's not a bug.

Zips
Profile Joined August 2010
United States146 Posts
September 24 2010 12:47 GMT
#1272
I think we all got trolled by fruitseller.

Well done, .. well done
cydial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States750 Posts
September 24 2010 12:59 GMT
#1273
On September 24 2010 02:25 superbabosheki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 02:14 travis wrote:
who can blame him blizzard clearly is either bad at balancing the game or just doesn't care very much about making it good for top level competition

i guess they just don't mind taking 2 years to balance the game when people are trying to play it for a living


That's stupid. Nobody should be playing SC for a living, maybe as an experience or something, but those who try to make a living off it deserve to get screwd. It's just a game.


ROFL DO YOU LISTEN TO YOURSELF?

Take a look at BW's influence in korea.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 24 2010 13:00 GMT
#1274
+ Show Spoiler +
LOL at the outbreak of spoiler tags. Does people really not going to understand who won just from the amount of spoilers being posted currently? It feels to me like a dead give away.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
September 24 2010 13:03 GMT
#1275
Does anyone else hate the grid lock system for buildings? I was surprised at how "fat" the buildings actually were and how efficient pylons were at blocking off. Also, Zergling's collision size just seems way too big. Completely surrounding units often result in half the lings circling around, just because they can't attack or "fit." These are one of the slight things that are missing for the zerg, compared to BW.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
September 24 2010 13:11 GMT
#1276
On September 24 2010 22:00 Hesmyrr wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
LOL at the outbreak of spoiler tags. Does people really not going to understand who won just from the amount of spoilers being posted currently? It feels to me like a dead give away.


it could just as well been something like + Show Spoiler +
omg Cool lost, TERRANS OP!!!!!!
so no its not a dead give away

+ even if they can figured it out, its still better then just not spoil tag it
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
September 24 2010 13:18 GMT
#1277

Still I think Cool would be better off switching race, he is such a talented player. Like Idra said, this patch, 1.1, would be good if it was 1month ago. Blizzard taking it too slow when there clearly is an issue.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
September 24 2010 13:30 GMT
#1278
+ Show Spoiler +

Top's play was appalling. In game 3 he had an advantage and sat in his base doing absolutely nothing. All he needed to do was attack at any point before ultras and it would've been an easy win, but nooo... he patiently waited for the ultras to come out and rape his thors.
So far the GSL has been a huge disapointment. US and EU tournaments in general have been more interesting to watch or at least they didn't make me facepalm so often at absolutely horrible decision making.
I'll call Nada.
Nyx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Rwanda460 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 13:32:01
September 24 2010 13:31 GMT
#1279
On September 24 2010 22:30 lololol wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Top's play was appalling. In game 3 he had an advantage and sat in his base doing absolutely nothing. All he needed to do was attack at any point before ultras and it would've been an easy win, but nooo... he patiently waited for the ultras to come out and rape his thors.
So far the GSL has been a huge disapointment. US and EU tournaments in general have been more interesting to watch or at least they didn't make me facepalm so often at absolutely horrible decision making.



+ Show Spoiler +
I completely disagree, he played a very safe game and it absolutely paid off for him. How is doom dropping every few minutes doing nothing?
Merikh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States918 Posts
September 24 2010 13:35 GMT
#1280
On September 24 2010 22:30 lololol wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Top's play was appalling. In game 3 he had an advantage and sat in his base doing absolutely nothing. All he needed to do was attack at any point before ultras and it would've been an easy win, but nooo... he patiently waited for the ultras to come out and rape his thors.
So far the GSL has been a huge disapointment. US and EU tournaments in general have been more interesting to watch or at least they didn't make me facepalm so often at absolutely horrible decision making.


I don't 100% agree with US and EU tournaments being more interesting than GSL. It's some of the same people winning over and over lately with the same tactics. I just haven't seen anyone from either servers bring something new to the table thus far.
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