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Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 13:39:46
September 24 2010 13:38 GMT
#1281
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every time zerg makes small mistakes its "oh its not imbalanced look he placed his spawning pool 1 square to the left of optimal" and every time terran does what is an equivalent of massing lings vs hellions its "oh look zerg won match up is balanced now"
I actually would bet that if Cool played himself as T on kulas ravine he'd do better then top.(just watch some of his reps playing as T on sc2rep.com)
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
September 24 2010 13:45 GMT
#1282
God... can we please stop makeing every post in spoiler pls...
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
September 24 2010 13:47 GMT
#1283
And Cool still wins 2-1 despite his raging
JrK
Profile Joined June 2010
United States283 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 13:48:38
September 24 2010 13:48 GMT
#1284
On September 24 2010 22:45 TaKemE wrote:
God... can we please stop makeing every post in spoiler pls...



That's the entire point of having the spoiler option.... so the outcome of the game isn't spoiled for those who want to watch it without knowing the results.
JrKjrKJrk
sanctuz
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway184 Posts
September 24 2010 13:52 GMT
#1285
guess he hit his 10% win ratio just at the right time...
Adeeler
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom764 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 13:59:26
September 24 2010 13:57 GMT
#1286
I remember Blizzard saying early on Terran and Protoss are the main concerns then Zerg last. And years ago someone from there dev said if Protoss ever don't win against Zerg the game is broken.

Some half hearted Zerg balance changes are bound to be coming after GSL, probably some light stat changes.
Who ever got the infestor changed so much in beta probably isn't being listened to after that buff change failed miserably which is kinda unfortunate cos at least they tried to mix things up.

I think with cheaper building gas costs and faster lair upgrade times & lair buildings build times things would feel much better for zerg in giving some game flow control to the zerg player.

Also cheaper or stronger or faster building spine crawlers would greatly help for defending expos/naturals. Also maybe AoE or more range on Spore Crawlers would be a fun change rather then getting 4+ spores and still not being able to cover a main effectively.

Being able to pick up crawlers in ovies or have them move in nydus would be hella fun time too.
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
September 24 2010 13:57 GMT
#1287
Cool's just trolling us hard, + Show Spoiler +
watch him win it all and STILL switch, though
♥
lovewithlea
Profile Joined March 2010
168 Posts
September 24 2010 14:05 GMT
#1288
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TOP sucked in all three games. it's the one thing you can't do versus Zerg. double expo after "some" harass.
Eleclight
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland70 Posts
September 24 2010 14:09 GMT
#1289
On September 24 2010 23:05 lovewithlea wrote:
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TOP sucked in all three games. it's the one thing you can't do versus Zerg. double expo after "some" harass.

I agree. His play was way too nr20min k, which totally shifted the game to Cool's favor. Anything else really would have worked against him (any timing push, thor/tank drop etc).

Though of course, Cool played very well and I'll be rooting for him and Check
klauz619
Profile Joined July 2010
453 Posts
September 24 2010 14:09 GMT
#1290
After he won by doing nothing by ultralisks and a-moving them I think he might consider sticking to zerg.

User was temp banned for this post.
Muffel
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany137 Posts
September 24 2010 14:22 GMT
#1291
On September 24 2010 23:09 klauz619 wrote:
After he won by doing nothing by ultralisks and a-moving them I think he might consider sticking to zerg.


+ Show Spoiler +
show me just one zerg in the world who is able to hold the T in his base till he can pump out 60 supply and 3000 mins 2000 supply... he had these 60 supply and mass mins UNUSED... means he had to play with less minerals etc all the time ...but hey...1 Zerg in ro8, game is balanced (check wont make it...)
Cox:"I suppose I could riff a list of things that I care as little about as our last week together. Lemme see, uhh [...] Oh! And Hugh Jackman." J.D.: Hugh Jackman's Wolverine! How dare he.
MyLastSerenade
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
September 24 2010 14:33 GMT
#1292
On September 24 2010 23:22 Muffel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 23:09 klauz619 wrote:
After he won by doing nothing by ultralisks and a-moving them I think he might consider sticking to zerg.


+ Show Spoiler +
show me just one zerg in the world who is able to hold the T in his base till he can pump out 60 supply and 3000 mins 2000 supply... he had these 60 supply and mass mins UNUSED... means he had to play with less minerals etc all the time ...but hey...1 Zerg in ro8, game is balanced (check wont make it...)


so sad that check has to face rainbow
TheDna
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany577 Posts
September 24 2010 14:35 GMT
#1293
Lets not loose the focus here. One best of three doesn't mean anything.
This topic is about general balance not how Cool won vs a terran that did ten billion mistakes or something else.
So lets not forget that it doesn't make the game more balanced even if Idra manages to win another ten tournaments, which isn't gonna happen obviously..
Aezir
Profile Joined September 2010
Swaziland15 Posts
September 24 2010 14:36 GMT
#1294
--- Nuked ---
TeMiL
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Peru545 Posts
September 24 2010 14:46 GMT
#1295
cool won isnt?
Rawrie
Profile Joined August 2010
26 Posts
September 24 2010 14:52 GMT
#1296
On September 24 2010 23:46 TeMiL wrote:
cool won isnt?


I've just won w KK vs AA = balance?)
LuciferSC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada535 Posts
September 24 2010 14:53 GMT
#1297
http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2109634

This thread originally featured PlayXP's thread and now this thread got featured on PlayXP. LOL

-.-a
Come get some
Rawrie
Profile Joined August 2010
26 Posts
September 24 2010 14:57 GMT
#1298
If only we could read Korean
cyprin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1105 Posts
September 24 2010 14:58 GMT
#1299
On September 24 2010 23:53 LuciferSC wrote:
http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2109634

This thread originally featured PlayXP's thread and now this thread got featured on PlayXP. LOL

-.-a



That is meta.
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
September 24 2010 15:01 GMT
#1300
well... lol at terran´s blindness.. who want to tell the truth about balance now?? if you dont believe in semipros, competitive foreigners and korean proplayers...

the truth is out there.

zerg need a heavy change in their style, maybe hydralisk in t1 or overlord and burrow in t1

cmon blizzard!! u have so many good players to put in ur testing seasons!! ask the pros!
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
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