Ultras vs Repaired PF - Page 41

On September 22 2010 23:58 BrownBear wrote:
It's still a bug when code that is doing exactly what it's supposed to do does something unexpected and undesired.

On September 22 2010 23:58 BrownBear wrote:
It's still a bug when code that is doing exactly what it's supposed to do does something unexpected and undesired.

StarCraft II Beta – Patch 11 (version 0.13.0.15250)

The latest patch notes can always be found on the StarCraft II Beta General Discussion forum.

Balance Changes

TERRAN
Battlecruiser
-The build time has been decreased from 110 to 90.

Fusion Core
-The build time has been decreased from 80 to 65.

Hellion
-The range has been increased from 5 to 6.

Planetary Fortress
-The splash damage now originates from the center of the target, rather than the impact location near the unit in order to maintain more reliable splash damage.

Raven
-Seeker Missile range has been decreased from 9 to 6.
-Seeker Missile splash radius has been decreased from 2.4 to 2.
-Seeker Missile upgrade no longer requires Fusion Core.

Siege Tank
-Life increased from 150 to 160.
-Siege Mode splash damage now originates from the center of the target, rather than the impact location near the unit in order to maintain more reliable splash damage.

Thor
-Ground damage decreased from 45 to 30.
-Ground rate of fire improved from 1.93 to 1.28.
-Air damage changed from 8 (+4 Light) to 6 (+6 Light).
-250mm Strike Cannons are now an upgrade at the Factory Tech Lab.
-250mm Strike Cannons research now costs 150/150 and 110 seconds.
-250mm Strike Cannons energy cost increased from 100 to 150.
-Anti-Air splash damage now originates from the center of the target, rather than the impact location near the unit in order to maintain more reliable splash damage.


PROTOSS
Archon
-The splash radius has been increased from 0.8 to 1.
-Splash damage now originates from the center of the target, rather than the impact location near the unit in order to maintain more reliable splash damage.

Colossus
-The damage has been decreased from 20 to 15.
-The rate of fire has been improved from 2.2 to 1.65.

Phoenix
-Can now attack while moving.

Sentry
-The damage has been decreased from 8 to 6.

ZERG
Brood Lord
-Life has been decreased from 275 to 225.
-Armor has been decreased from 2 to 1.

Corruptor
-Corruptor damage changed from 12 (+10 Massive) to 14 (+6 Massive).
-Corruptor speed increased from 2.75 to 2.9531
-Corruption ability redesigned:
-Single target.
-Increases damage taken by 20%.
-Lasts 30 seconds.
-Costs 100 energy.
-Range 6.
-Cannot target structures.

Infestor
-Neural Parasite is now an upgrade at the Infestation Pit.
-Neural Parasite research costs 150/150 and 110 seconds.
-Neural Parasite can now target Air units.
-Neural Parasite energy cost increased from 50 to 100.

Spine Crawler
-The root time has been increased from 6 to 12.

Spore Crawler
-The root time has been increased from 6 to 12.

Ultralisk
-Damage has been increased from 18 to 25.


Hotkey Changes

General
-In order to resolve a conflict with building multiple Forges with the Shift Key we have made the following changes:
-Changed Center Camera from Shift+F to Ctrl+F.

Standard
-To prevent the accidental research of Ventral Sacs when trying to train an Overlord with no Larva available, the hotkey has been changed from V to E.
-View Own Health Bars functionality added to the Backslash key

Standard for Lefties
-Due to a conflict with research Banshee Cloak, research Seeker Missile has been changed from L to K.
-To correct a conflict with the Attack command on Planetary Fortress, train SCV has been changed from K to J.
-In order to prevent the accidental training of Zerglings when using the Select Larva hotkey,train Zergling has been changed from L to J.
-To prevent the accidental training of a Queen, train Ultralisk has been changed from U to T.
-To prevent the accidental research of Pneumatized Carapace when trying to train a corruptor with -no Larva available, research Pneumatized Carapace has been changed from P to C.
-View All Status Bars has been changed from Q to the Alt key.
-View own Status Bars functionality has been added to the Q key.

Grid for Lefties
-Attack Move and all other buttons in the 0,4 position should now function correctly.
-View Own Status Bars functionality added to Q.
-View Enemy Status Bars moved to W.
-View Ally Status Bars moved to E.

Classic
-Changed build Nydus Canal from P to N.
-Changed Place Nydus Canal ability from P to N.
-Terran Infantry Weapon researches have been changed from E to W.
-Terran Vehicle Weapon researches have been changed from E to W.
-Train Thor hotkey has been changed from O to G.
-Train Viking hotkey has been changed from Y to W.
-View Own Status Bars functionality has been added to the Backslash key.


Icon Position Changes

To put all race gas extractors in the same icon position, the positions of the Supply Depot/Refinery and Pylon/Assimilator have been swapped.

In order to make transforming multiple Gateways easier for players using Grid key sets, Transform to Gateway has been moved to a separate icon position (2,1).

Bug Fixes

Corrected an issue that was causing the Polish language client to crash when receiving the "player is no longer being revealed” message.

Corrected incorrect battle.net links on multiple language clients pages.

Corrected an issue where the Zealot was using an US English voice over in the Korean language client.

Corrected an issue where a player is unable to build any structures that require pylon power when their protoss ally leaves.

Units can no longer be healed or repaired while in transports.

Corrected an issue where the Creep Tumor targeting circle was visible to opponents through Fog of War.

Corrected an issue in which selecting a Starport under construction and a completed Starport would display the select builder command in the Viking slot.

Corrected the Broodling weapon icon.

On September 22 2010 22:22 Grond wrote:


It's going to be changed, fixed is not a good word to use in my opinion. I'm all for a change, it should be a static value, not based on target size. The AoE is way too small when fighting Bio. It doesn't sound they regard this as an urgent issue so the patch that addresses it may also contain a PF nerf and/or a repair nerf.

On September 23 2010 00:26 cykalu wrote:
Just wondering, does Ultralisk' splash +2 work on thors that's being repaired by 30 SCVs as well?

On September 23 2010 00:25 Proxyles wrote:
Well to my defence its not the first time they forgot to add something in the notes, and my point is that ALL splash (ok that is mentioned) works that specific way, so why would not ultras splash work that exact same way?

Edit, AKA I think the change they did in patch 11 was not to the specific units doing splash damage but to the implementation of the splash mechanism

On September 23 2010 00:42 lololol wrote:


They did no changes to the splash. Ultra's splash has always been like that. It does originate from the center of the unit, but unlike all other splash attacks it's extended by the unit's radius, so when attacking something huge, their splash also becomes huge.

On September 23 2010 00:42 Batch wrote:
As I wrote earlier this is clearly a bug but it is not as game breaking as some of you thinks.

I did some testing and 8 marines with stim kills of a command center and 16 workers faster than a ultralisk does. Ultralisk drops will not be any more dangerous than the cheaper (and easier accessible) marine drops.

On September 23 2010 00:47 Nakas wrote:


He's talking about the beta patch 11, not the patch 1.1 that was just released.

On September 23 2010 00:49 Fa1nT wrote:
If it did NOT work like that, then they would do NO splash damage, because the center of a fortress is FAR from the edges.

This means that 30 SCV could out-repair probably 5-10 ultras and take 0 damage unless EACH ultra was microed to attack SCV, but then we are back to square 1, crappy priority AI

On September 23 2010 00:20 Proxyles wrote:


As you clearly can se from Patch 11 in Beta this is Working as intended
all splash is working in the same way, and has been this way sens then

Splash damage now originates from the center of the target, rather than the impact location near the unit in order to maintain more reliable splash damage