Ultras vs Repaired PF - Page 40

On September 22 2010 23:27 BrownBear wrote:
This thread so far:

OP: Hey guys, check out this weird bug I found
Terran/Protoss players: haha, that's a pretty weird bug, alright
Zerg players: OMG TERRAN WHINE HOW U SAY THIS BUG FUCKING IMBA RACE QQ MOAR


...but seriously, when your melee unit essentially becomes a range 6 full damage AOE unit if it attacks the right thing, how on earth can you not admit it's a bug? Plus, it's not like ultras didn't kill PFs before - all you people whining about pathing obviously have never heard of micro before.

On September 22 2010 23:27 BrownBear wrote:
This thread so far:

OP: Hey guys, check out this weird bug I found
Terran/Protoss players: haha, that's a pretty weird bug, alright
Zerg players: OMG TERRAN WHINE HOW U SAY THIS BUG FUCKING IMBA RACE QQ MOAR


...but seriously, when your melee unit essentially becomes a range 6 full damage AOE unit if it attacks the right thing, how on earth can you not admit it's a bug? Plus, it's not like ultras didn't kill PFs before - all you people whining about pathing obviously have never heard of micro before.

On September 22 2010 23:27 BrownBear wrote:
This thread so far:

OP: Hey guys, check out this weird bug I found
Terran/Protoss players: haha, that's a pretty weird bug, alright
Zerg players: OMG TERRAN WHINE HOW U SAY THIS BUG FUCKING IMBA RACE QQ MOAR


...but seriously, when your melee unit essentially becomes a range 6 full damage AOE unit if it attacks the right thing, how on earth can you not admit it's a bug? Plus, it's not like ultras didn't kill PFs before - all you people whining about pathing obviously have never heard of micro before.

On September 22 2010 23:31 Woozyman wrote:


I'm A toss player and my reaction is like a zerg player. From watching GSL, ESL, MLG, top 200 ladder, % of zerg players, it's my opinion that zerg are clearly UP and having them have fun with a little ultra AOE BUG is fine with me, they suffered long enough.

As a toss I have to deal with the same ultra AOE BUG however I don't qq like terran and call an immediate bug fix or I quit sc2 coz as a toss player I don't have IMBA PFs auto repaired by 30 svcs.

On September 22 2010 23:31 ghermination wrote:

As has been said about a million times in the thread already, the ultra splash is applied from the center of the building. The same thing happens with tank splash and makes them own everything - but nobody ever complains that that's imbalanced, or a bug. The problem with this is that it LOOKS bad, not necessarily is it imba. If you're a Terran player and you leave your expo undefended, it can be killed by ultras now instead of being completely invincible. I'm sorry if T players have a problem with that, it also really sucks when 2 medivacs can land and snipe my nexus in about 30 seconds, significantly faster than in that video.

On September 22 2010 23:31 ghermination wrote:

As has been said about a million times in the thread already, the ultra splash is applied from the center of the building. The same thing happens with tank splash and makes them own everything - but nobody ever complains that that's imbalanced, or a bug. The problem with this is that it LOOKS bad, not necessarily is it imba. If you're a Terran player and you leave your expo undefended, it can be killed by ultras now instead of being completely invincible. I'm sorry if T players have a problem with that, it also really sucks when 2 medivacs can land and snipe my nexus in about 30 seconds, significantly faster than in that video.

On September 22 2010 23:09 ltortoise wrote:


"A software bug is the common term used to describe an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that produces an incorrect or unexpected result, or causes it to behave in unintended ways."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug

Key phrase is here is behaving in "unintended ways."

On September 22 2010 22:56 SpaceYeti wrote:
Reading this thread really makes me yearn for another subforum with minimum competency posting restrictions. Where is that other thread? I need to go vote in it.

It's a bug, Blizzard acknowledged its not working as intended, and I don't know what else you call coding that doesn't work as intended. Guess we'll see what they call it when they patch it out of the game.

Can we end this debate about whether it is or isn't intended now?

On September 22 2010 23:42 Grond wrote:


The reason this thread won't die is people like you insist on calling it a bug when the facts clearly show it is not.

Will it be changed in the future? Most likely.

Is it a bug? Not if you know the definition of a bug.

Wikipedia wrote::

A software bug is the common term used to describe an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that produces an incorrect or unexpected result, or causes it to behave in unintended ways

On September 22 2010 23:45 Jimmeh wrote:




Error in code is causing the Ultralisk's attack splash damage to not work as intended vs buildings. Seems like a bug to me.

On September 22 2010 23:20 Fa1nT wrote:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Ultralisk

When attacking units, its attack deals splash damage within a range of 2.5 in a 180° arc in the direction of the target. Also, this splash damage was reduced down to 33% of the targeted damage.

Since when attacking a small unit like a zealot, the ultralisk fills the back 180% of that circle.

So yes, it does 2.5 range splash originating from the target of cleave (a building)

They did not change the coding at all for the attack, just allowed it to be used on buildings.

For them to change this, they will have to make a 100% new attack for ultras to do on buildings.

On September 22 2010 23:39 Woozyman wrote:


Wrong, people did QQ about it but learned to deal with it (split your forces). The aoe splash dmg is also not much of an issue since a unit surface area is much less larger than a structure surface area. Therefore you can reduce splash effectiveness if tanks target smaller units.


That's why I'm back to saying make the dmg reduced at the edge of AOE and most dmg done at the center of AOE. That way ultras still retain the buff to take down easy/imba/noob PFs auto repaired by 30 workers.

If you read the patch note carefully, I think that's what Blizz intent to do when trying to buff ultras vs structures... and it was always about the PF in mind.

On September 22 2010 23:09 ltortoise wrote:

"A software bug is the common term used to describe an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that produces an incorrect or unexpected result, or causes it to behave in unintended ways."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug

Key phrase is here is behaving in "unintended ways."

On September 22 2010 23:45 Jimmeh wrote:





Error in code is causing the Ultralisk's attack splash damage to not work as intended vs buildings. Seems like a bug to me.

On September 22 2010 23:50 ghermination wrote:

Kind of confused by what you're saying here.
When an ultra attacks a building, all units within 2 or 3 range from the edge of that building have splash applied to them. Doesn't hava as much "range" with smaller buildings, because obviously being smaller the splash outward from their edges is applied to a smaller area. But when used as Blizzard intended (I don't know, maybe to make it possible to kill buildings beng repaired by scv's? GASP! IMBA BUG!) It turns into a powerful ability. I'll say it again: If the terran player hadn't been relying on only his PF to kill those ultras and had an army at his expo, those ultras would have been owned. I'm pretty sure if Blizzard were trying to make it possible to kill PF's (which they were) they would have tested it at least once.

Maybe we'll see this changed in the future, which I wouldn't really mind. However if it's just back to the 180 degree splash radius, then simply walling using your planetary fortress makes ultras unable to kill the repairing scv's again. That's why i think this was intended.