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Ultras vs Repaired PF - Page 22
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exezelot
United States26 Posts
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omnigol
United States166 Posts
On September 22 2010 10:59 VanGarde wrote: Growth over time is the entire foundation of Starcraft 2. It is the backbone of the game. Also I am not justifying anything I started off by calmly pointing out to people why the PF does in fact cost you more resources than just what it takes to build it on the spot, and thus further explained why it need to be repairable. I did not say how repairable or anything regarding balance, just that it has to actually be possible to repair it in combat or else it stops being worth the cost. Ofcourse oneeyed people who rage their way into these threads with red eyes seeing only talk of nerfs and balance will read what they want into posts. All I have said is that getting a PF has a larger impact than just being a one time cost and apparently it has been useful because half the people in here don't even understand how starcraft economy works. You're saying the PF should be repairable. In the context of this thread that means ultra splashing all the SCVs makes the PF too costly. That's a normative stance on the "balance" of the game. You're attitude that people can't handle your objectivity is a joke. It's your blatantly obtuse approach (stating "the PF does *not* cost 550/150"), while accusing no one of understanding that RTS games have an economic aspect is just insulting. | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
Blizzard, you are assholes. I mean, you just stated on battlenet that this is a bug and will be patched. HOW could you NOT test this at least ONCE before release? You have been working on this FOR A MONTH. You got thousands of zergs hopes up, thinking we finally got one unit that is OP. I mean, terran get marauders 3 minutes into the game, but OP ultras at T3 was just too much? Really... spend 15 minutes testing your patches before you release them please. Q.Q | ||
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Techno
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
On September 22 2010 11:37 Fa1nT wrote: The last thing I can comment on this is... Blizzard, you are assholes. I mean, you just stated on battlenet that this is a bug and will be patched. HOW could you NOT test this at least ONCE before release? You have been working on this FOR A MONTH. You got thousands of zergs hopes up, thinking we finally got one unit that is OP. I mean, terran get marauders 3 minutes into the game, but OP ultras at T3 was just too much? Really... spend 15 minutes testing your patches before you release them please. Q.Q I defend Blizzard non-stop. But... give any non Blizzard person version 1.1 for a day and they'd have figured this out. Honestly mind-numbing that this didn't get figured out beforehand. The sad thing is this is pretty much balanced XD Should be like this but only within in a reasonable range, like a quarter of the building per ultralisk gets splashed. Just curious, but if fully 100% surrounded by SCVS, can ultralisks target the buidling? Or does it have to be true melee? | ||
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Garamor
Canada22 Posts
Any idea how long it would take for an ultra to gimp 3 + larva sitting next to the hatch? | ||
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Raz0r
United States287 Posts
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On September 22 2010 11:39 Techno wrote: I do not approve. I think thats a bug, actually. Blizzard intentionally put splash on the attack....so now that it's doing splash...it's a bug? I don't get your logic. People need to calm the fuck down. Thors were OP and game breaking at one point. Look at them now, they're considered balance after only a few weeks of the whining and there are effective ways to deal with them. Same with this, boo hoo, you can't insta win by putting 20 SCV's onto a planetary fortress and take out a 100 supply army. I'm sure it's powerful, but stop blowing it out of proportion until you have given it time to develop. The patch just came out today. I'm glad T are getting a taste of their own medicine though. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
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Techno
1900 Posts
On September 22 2010 11:37 omnigol wrote: You're saying the PF should be repairable. In the context of this thread that means ultra splashing all the SCVs makes the PF too costly. That's a normative stance on the "balance" of the game. You're attitude that people can't handle your objectivity is a joke. It's your blatantly obtuse approach (stating "the PF does *not* cost 550/150"), while accusing no one of understanding that RTS games have an economic aspect is just insulting. Vangard has made excellent points and responded to his responses without flames. He is also being quite objective. Many of his opposers lower they're credibility by flaming. Especially omnigol, for some reason he is clearly angered by Vangard and his rage is clouding his ability to make objective points. Quite unfortunate. I am wondering whether this splash damage is a bug or not. I mean, it kills SCVs not even close to the blades. It's very odd to look at. However I do agree that Ultralisks should be what you should use against a PF. I'm glad Zergs have something that they have to defend as balanced now. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On September 22 2010 11:45 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: God forbid 2 300/200 units actually kill a 150/100 thing while losing one. Oh how imba that'd be. YEAH BUT HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO WIN IF I CAN'T NEVER LOSE MY CC'S WITHOUT HAVING TO ACTUALLY MICRO MY FORCES AT ALL?!?! I don't even know what I just said, or if it made coherent sense. But honestly people, the patch has been out for less than 24 hours. Give. It. Time. I'm sure it's not that big of a freaking deal, yeah, 5 ultra's can beat 20 SCV's and a 150/100 structure. You want a fucking medal for figuring that out? | ||
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MisterPuppy
161 Posts
TEARS are super effective! | ||
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ohN
United States1075 Posts
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
Cleave is RANGED slightly This means ultras can STILL attack the fortress even if there is a wall of SCV repairing. This means if the AoE is placed in front of the ultra, SCV will still die, just not all of them. Before, with Ram, the ultras would run in circles trying to find an opening to attack while getting blasted. | ||
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On September 22 2010 11:48 Fa1nT wrote: The ONE thing that I am happy about for all this - Cleave is RANGED slightly This means ultras can STILL attack the fortress even if there is a wall of SCV repairing. This means if the AoE is placed in front of the ultra, SCV will still die, just not all of them. Before, with Ram, the ultras would run in circles trying to find an opening to attack while getting blasted. This I like a lot. So many Ultra's with retardation trying to figure out how they should gently side step the SCV's to hit the PF. EDIT: DoomDash, I do not think this is fair or unfair. IT JUST CAME OUT TODAY. Jesus tit fucking Christ, how can you base your entire opinion on one video and less than a day of real game testing? There was a video a while back of like 5 thors taking on 35 1a'd mutalisks and everyone was having a huge hissy fit that Thors were OP. Now look at them, 35 muta's could probably take on 8-10 thors easily. It's the same shit with this, I am not throwing out the possibility that this is OP but Terran's crying imba at the first sight of something that might be great against them is just hilarious. | ||
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Raz0r
United States287 Posts
On September 22 2010 11:44 Fruscainte wrote: Blizzard intentionally put splash on the attack....so now that it's doing splash...it's a bug? I don't get your logic. People need to calm the fuck down. Thors were OP and game breaking at one point. Look at them now, they're considered balance after only a few weeks of the whining and there are effective ways to deal with them. Same with this, boo hoo, you can't insta win by putting 20 SCV's onto a planetary fortress and take out a 100 supply army. I'm sure it's powerful, but stop blowing it out of proportion until you have given it time to develop. The patch just came out today. I'm glad T are getting a taste of their own medicine though. the whole concept of planetary fortress makes the game more one dimensional, as you do not have to worry about small scale atks or harassments as much, because you have your main building defending for you. that means the opponent has to commit more forces to take it down, making it less of a strategic move. its to the point now when he has to have enough forces to take it down or his small harassments won't do much. high level bw has brought us many multiareas of atks and harassments like bisu's multitasking harassment style, and etc.. with these kinds of concepts in the game, i guess you could say its a different game, but imo its a worse game. if you only have big armies roaming around the map, sounds like wc3? | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On September 22 2010 11:51 Raz0r wrote: the whole concept of planetary fortress makes the game more one dimensional, as you do not have to worry about small scale atks or harassments as much, I stopped right there. 5 ultralisks is what, 1500/1000 and upwards of 30 supply? That's not "small harassment" | ||
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Almin
United States583 Posts
You guys do realize..nothing in SC2 is built to scale, so don't cry how it "Magically hits" scv's in the back. Battleships, motherships, carriers, etc, are built extremely small and can be shot down by mass marines. Nothing is built to scale. One buff that was given to Zerg and every Terran goes crazy that they can MAYBE lose their expansion. I don't really see the Protoss complaining, just the Terrans. Try being Zerg and sending mass roaches against PF, even without repair, the PF can 5 shot 5 roaches with it's splash, and still have 75% of it's HP. Don't worry Terrans, you still have your orbital commands to throw down mass mules wherever you expand to. If Zerg reaches tier 3 + Ultralisk Cavern + Plating, before you guys get your thors out, you deserve to lose your expansion. | ||
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