EPTOn September 14 2010 19:32 sadyque wrote:
Whats stopping zerg players from que dropping multiple locations?
Whats stopping zerg players from que dropping multiple locations?
4 roaches dont kill a command center in 5s
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hijt
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On September 14 2010 18:58 CScythe wrote: There's no point, because there is literally no way Morrow could win, under any circumstances. It's just not in this realm of reality. I would take it even further, and say that I even think idra could take Morrow in TvT if you gave him few days to practice. Could be wrong, but its totally possible  | ||
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Ajsbear
Sweden63 Posts
Sure, there are some issues with Zerg, especially what Lalush pointed out but I am fully convinced that Zerg players will figure it out and even out the scores soon. Maybe it's not that Terran is OP, maybe it is just faster to learn...? There are obviously some amazing Zerg players out there like Idra, Cool, Dimaga, Sen etc so it will be fine. Even though the Zerg I think will take a huge leap (har har) in tournament wins soon is MadFrog. I see him play now and his macro is down right dire at times, getting supply blocked, stops making units at like 80 food (War 3 habit..?) etc. And still wins because he tries stuff very few other do, much like TLO did in beta and still do. | ||
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ensis
Germany340 Posts
everyone can win a mirror, and only because youre good vs. zerg and protoss, by abusing shit, that doesnt mean, youre good in tvt where your marauders have to fight against marauders. and flawless macro is not very hard to do as terran. as zerg you have to us larva inject every dunno seconds and as protoss you need to jump to a pylon to build gateway units. both require to jump away from battle. and missing one larva can be devastating i think. and the difference between, chrono, larva and mule is that you cannot stack chrono or larva, but you can call down 8 mules at a time. and you can just rebuild units while fighting. so talk about macro. | ||
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Hjertify
Sweden70 Posts
On September 14 2010 19:32 sadyque wrote: Whats stopping zerg players from que dropping multiple locations? first you need speed upgrade then you need load upgrade thats 300/300. Then other facts like terran having better AA.. | ||
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HuHEN
United Kingdom514 Posts
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
playing Terran feels like you have a more complete choice in options. You can choose so many different strategies and they all are viable. The amount of "pure power" of terran, in terms of all around great units, strategies, and viable "gimmicks" give it so much power that Blizzard can't balance it without fundamentally changing the game. Give zerg 2-3 more units, move hydra tech around etc. The actual balance of the game is just off in terms of TvZ. The unit relation and how they are good give Terran just more good options against Z. Fundamentally, they could let zerg somehow "scout" terran so they can counter one of the 10 amazingly powerful and viable builds, or switch around zerg to have "survivability" early with faster access to hydras or something. I can't wait to see what they do, but I doubt 5s extra build time will fix a fundamental imbalance. | ||
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HuHEN
United Kingdom514 Posts
On September 14 2010 19:40 Ajsbear wrote: People need to stop saying/implying that MorroW wins so much because he plays Terran and not because he is awesome... Flawless macro and sweet sweet micro, a player like that will win a lot no matter what race he plays. Sure, there are some issues with Zerg, especially what Lalush pointed out but I am fully convinced that Zerg players will figure it out and even out the scores soon. Maybe it's not that Terran is OP, maybe it is just faster to learn...? There are obviously some amazing Zerg players out there like Idra, Cool, Dimaga, Sen etc so it will be fine. Even though the Zerg I think will take a huge leap (har har) in tournament wins soon is MadFrog. I see him play now and his macro is down right dire at times, getting supply blocked, stops making units at like 80 food (War 3 habit..?) etc. And still wins because he tries stuff very few other do, much like TLO did in beta and still do. I dont think morrow wins just because he is terran I think he is so dominant because he is a combination of very good/the strongest race. | ||
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
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DkH.ZeRa
Germany39 Posts
When was the last zerg mirror in a final of a starcraft 2 tournament? I don't remember a single one. But you remember TvT, don't you? | ||
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
There should be at least a 20% of Zerg tourney wins, statisticly Its just pretty pretty obvious whats up  | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On September 14 2010 19:37 Pekkz wrote: I would take it even further, and say that I even think idra could take Morrow in TvT if you gave him few days to practice. Could be wrong, but its totally possible Lol you are delusional. Are you seriously saying that Idra would be able to beat the worlds best terrans with a few days practice, people that have been practiced TvT heavily for months now? Also Idra's playing style does not suit terran good at all, so he would have to change a lot of the fundamentals that he uses as zerg. As much as you people believe it, he isn't God. It seems like some people believe that just because terran is op, no terran deserves to win. But if you agree that Morrow is one of the best terrans currently, there is no reason he wouldn't win tournaments and compete with the best protoss and zergs if everything was perfectly balanced. | ||
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funcmode
Australia720 Posts
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On September 14 2010 19:48 ch4ppi wrote: I just wanna mention, even if there are less people playing Zerg (it was around 26% I think) There should be at least a 20% of Zerg tourney wins, statisticly Its just pretty pretty obvious whats up Not really look at idra in SC1 and foreign tournaments for a time, was Terran imbalanced then? Also A lot of SC2 torunaments are best of 1 for a large portion of the tournament. This can greatly skew it, as terran has very solid build orders and access to a lot of cheese. If a race has problems countering cheese (zerg scouting lol) it will be reflected in these tournaments with many best of 1 matches. IEM also had Zerg 2nd, Zerg 3rd, and no protoss to speak of. More troubling than any balance is how "reactive" zerg has to be. Terran can oppress the hell out of zerg and force them into playing however terran wants (with mech/banshee/reaper in particular). Just in general it's not good for a race to have to defend every game for 10 minutes unable to exert any pressure (good wall ins prevent pretty much all early Z pressure). | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4515 Posts
On September 14 2010 19:51 nam nam wrote: Lol you are delusional. Are you seriously saying that Idra would be able to beat the worlds best terrans with a few days practice, people that have been practiced TvT heavily for months now? Also Idra's playing style does not suit terran good at all, so he would have to change a lot of the fundamentals that he uses as zerg. As much as you people believe it, he isn't God. In a week he for sure could, actually. He won't do it though because of GSL but after this GSL I wouldnt be too surprised if IdrA switched to T. Patch won't change much... | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On September 14 2010 19:54 Liquid`Ret wrote: In a week he for sure could, actually. He won't do it though because of GSL but after this GSL I wouldnt be too surprised if IdrA switched to T. Patch won't change anything, and IdrA will be out of GSL when he runs into a good terran and its gonna piss him off  If the patch completely revamps zerg maybe people would switch to it who liked it in SC1. But I agree there seems to be some deep rooted problems with zerg in SC2, in terms of just some glaring / fundamental flaws that can't be fixed by tweaking some numbers. The unit matchups between terran and zerg are just messed up. Baneling and Marines Banshee attacks (just in general banshee is like wraith souped up on crack and mutas/hydras are weak in this game) Planetary Fortress Marauders in general Medivac utility.. In the end the matchups just favor Terran a heck of a lot, and I don't know if it's possible to alter some small numbers and make the matchup good/fixed. It almost feels like zerg is behind an expansion, and terran is playing with more units available. Blizzard will be figuring out zerg for a long time I think. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On September 14 2010 19:54 Liquid`Ret wrote: In a week he for sure could, actually. He won't do it though because of GSL but after this GSL I wouldnt be too surprised if IdrA switched to T. Patch won't change anything, and IdrA will be out of GSL when he runs into a good terran and its gonna piss him off Well, I think it would take more than a week for him to suddenly beat the best terrans consistently. But I hope he does, it would be interesting to see. I'm always open to be wrong. And it is nice when players do things rather than just talk. | ||
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Silent_Tao
Israel87 Posts
i'm thinking on switching race a guy i know switched from z to p and gained 400 ladder points the zerg situation is really bad | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On September 14 2010 19:54 Liquid`Ret wrote: In a week he for sure could, actually. He won't do it though because of GSL but after this GSL I wouldnt be too surprised if IdrA switched to T. Patch won't change much... I dont think IdrA can get any better than he is right now, even if he switches race. IdrA likes heavy macro, no cheese and very defensive the first 10-20 mins of the game, so Terran wouldnt fit him very well. Zerg and IdrA is the perfect match. I think Dimaga could play terran quite well though, but not enough to beat the top ones, i think that would require alot more practice. | ||
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