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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On September 14 2010 21:05 kataa wrote: I think the sense that he enjoys winning. I know I do. Pretty sure all races have a 50% win ratio  Switching to another race doesnt make you better, you're still the same player. | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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Grond
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BaaL`
297 Posts
On September 14 2010 20:44 Liquid`Ret wrote: ?!?! Idra has played plenty of terran throughout beta not to mention 8 years of terran in SC:BW I don't think he would have any problems at all if he massed games as terrans for a week or so, infact i'd believe he'd be the best TvZ and TvP player in the world real fast, TvT not sure but up there Okay you have fair points, I believe IdrA could indeed be a very good Terran with some massing games. But taking MorroW in TvT, I dont know... From what I have seen, MorroW seems to have the best TvT in the western world? | ||
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CScythe
Canada810 Posts
On September 14 2010 20:22 BaaL` wrote: Even you?! Come on, dont be ridiculous, noone can just switch race and beat the best players in mirrors a week after -.- I hope IdrA switches, so we can see what happens! Sadly, chances of that are very small... The situation posed was Morrow playing as Zerg, Idra as Terran, which is why I said it is impossible for Idra to lose. Is anyone going to seriously argue that two players of equal skill (even though Idra is obviously superior) switching races Z <--> T would have the same results? Whoever is Terran wins, because the race is fucking easy. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On September 14 2010 21:16 Grond wrote: I think Idra could be quite successful as Terran. What I think would be really interesting is if he tried to apply a macro style to Terran. Look at how Ensnare, one of the best Terran's in the world played tonight. He played a passive macro mech style, just with a slight harass thrown in with hellions and banshees. He actually outmacroed the zerg both games, so that style can indeed work. Idra has good micro as well, so doing that hellion/banshee/reaper w/e harass would be no problem for him. If he wanted, I'm sure he could pull off playing Terran extremely well. | ||
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Keula
Germany157 Posts
Its a fact that even pro Terrans and pretty much every 1200+ Terran streamer on Livestream / Ustream what ever admitted Terran is too powerful, even game casters make jokes about every hour | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On September 14 2010 21:16 Deadlyfish wrote: Yeah, the automatic matchmaking. Jesus we know. The question is if going from zerg to terran lets you have a 50 percent win ration against better players than you were getting 50 percent against while a zerg. Pretty sure all races have a 50% win ratio Switching to another race doesnt make you better, you're still the same player. maybe not a better player, but a player with better results. Most people would feel a hell of a lot better at 50% in diamond than 50% in gold. That might be exaggerated sure. So let's shrink it down. Most people would feel better at 50% top 200 in Diamond than they would about 50% top 500. Shit, anything that lets you rank up will make most people feel better. Exactly how much it would help is hard to say, we'll have to wait for more people to make the switch | ||
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Macabre
United States1262 Posts
On September 14 2010 21:16 BaaL` wrote: Okay you have fair points, I believe IdrA could indeed be a very good Terran with some massing games. But taking MorroW in TvT, I dont know... From what I have seen, MorroW seems to have the best TvT in the western world? Demuslim has very impressive TvT. He dominated in TaKe's Homestory cup. | ||
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BaaL`
297 Posts
On September 14 2010 21:26 Macabre wrote: Demuslim has very impressive TvT. He dominated in TaKe's Homestory cup. True, true. Such a dynamic MU right now, I guess noone can really be above the playing field for long. MorroW seemed to be 1/2 weeks ago though. | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
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Mongery
892 Posts
like Trek said, its hard to win many many bo1 vs allintoss or allinzerg tactics. | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On September 14 2010 21:33 Sqq wrote: its kinda funny to see MorroW commenting like he is in here. He knows very well that if Terran wasn't so heavily favored, nobody would even care to quote him as he would be a nobody. But he still talks about imbalances regardless which race it is (currently Terran). And he knows that there are some things that can be abused to make Terran OP so he is fully aware of Terran state and agreeing that T is OP. He is just using the best out of his race whichever patch updates will come. | ||
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Krogzor
Korea (North)21 Posts
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BaaL`
297 Posts
On September 14 2010 21:42 Krogzor wrote: Id like to see the list sorted by prize money won. I dont think you get the point... If we do that, we would see a reasonable representation of Zergs. Defeats the purpose of the thread, no? /sarcasm off http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Winnings | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
From a spectators point of view lack of Z in top tourneys, and lack of different Z-players, makes for a more boring spectating show. Also i really think /thread after Lalush posted, some of the best analysis i have read. Would a solution be to merge spine crawlers and spore crawlers into one building? Both P and T have defensive structures that are effective against both air and ground, only Z are forced to guess when they want to throw down static defence. And lol at "Zerg players dont practice enough". Hell i as a casual P players with a full-time job play 4 hours a day ^^ | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On September 14 2010 21:33 SiGurD wrote: really gj. Some of them i have never heard of! like Trek said, its hard to win many many bo1 vs allintoss or allinzerg tactics. allintoss I can't speak for, but as a Zerg player, the only 2 all-in build i'm aware of are Baneling Bust or some form of Roach bust. Baneling bust can be dealt with by using Fact + Rax wall-off. While Roach bust can be dealt with by building an additional bunker and some marauders. Any early pool can be held off with about 2-3 Scv's on choke with auto-repair on and a marine or 2 behind shooting. Also, If you build the second supply depot before refinery, you are able to wall-out the scouting drones sent out on 12 I think. Which is also about the time 6 lings from a 6-pool pops. Zerg all-in aren't nearly as strong as Terran's one imo. Two examples I know that works at mid-level Terran are the 5rax no gas rush and the BC rush. Both have got mme wins against other 900-1k+ opponents when I just decided to do it for fun with no prior practice. | ||
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kataa
United Kingdom384 Posts
On September 14 2010 21:16 Deadlyfish wrote: Pretty sure all races have a 50% win ratio Switching to another race doesnt make you better, you're still the same player.Most people have 50% win ratio because that is what Blizzards match making system does, it gives you a 50-58%ish win ratio - even my friends who are bronze have 50% win ratios, IN BRONZE thats how the ladder works. They still lose to me 100% of the time, and in tournaments - where match making isn't determined by MMR - we see a HUGE difference in win ratio between races. Why is this so hard to understand for people? You really think Idra and Dimaga wouldn't fair better in tournaments at the moment if they race switched to Terran? It's like asking what you'd rather have in a gunfight, a blunderbuss or an AK47. | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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Macabre
United States1262 Posts
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