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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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Mentos
United Kingdom203 Posts
On September 14 2010 17:46 ensis wrote: well i prefer someone like idra who just says its freaking imbalanced and that it should be fixed asap over some guy like madfrog who gets asked at the iem if he thinks its imblanced and he just says, he doesnt want to whine. this is just poor. i mean, its not like me and you coming home playing some rounds of starcraft. its their job. its like your boss says you have to do the same job and bring the same results as your colleages but with way worse equipment. the problem lies not in madfrog, but the community. very few top players choose to speak their minds, because if they do, they're labeled as whiners by all the muppets. if players of morrows caliber have the nerve to say that stats in this topic are so low for zerg, because there are no good zerg players, then how the fuck can you expect the rest to think objectively, or should I rather say - think at fucking all. | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
Poll: Who wants to see IDRA as T vs MORROW as Z SHOWMATC YES~!!!!! (143) I want to see LaLush as T instead~!!!! (3) NO~!!! *insert obscure reason here* (2) 148 total votes Your vote: Who wants to see IDRA as T vs MORROW as Z SHOWMATC (Vote): YES~!!!!! EDIT spelt idra name wrong -___-" Haha, finally, another vote for LaLush to bring it out of being tied with "no for obscure reasons"!! | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On September 14 2010 17:55 me_viet wrote: who wants to see match between Idra/LaLush as Terran and Morrow as Zerg? Poll: Iddra as T vs Morrow as Z showmatch? YES!!!! (8) NO!!! (0) I want to see LaLush as T instead~!!!! (0) 8 total votes Your vote: Iddra as T vs Morrow as Z showmatch? (Vote): YES!!!! That won't prove anything. Stop trying to derail the thread by shit stirring. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On September 14 2010 17:23 shannn wrote: Morrow is like one of the few to publicly admit that a race is imbalanced in any patch whether it's his own or others :p Saying that the race is imbalanced is not exactly true, because the "other matchup" (PvT) is actually fine atm. So the race in its current form is NOT IMBALANCED. Look elsewhere for the cause of the problems which Zerg have. Hint: Do Zerg get screwed by very early harrass which hampers their economic development? If the answer is 'yes' then the solution might be to get a simple delay before the first engagement. Just make the maps bigger so the scouting and rush distances increase ... or why do you think Scrap Station is so much a Zerg map? | ||
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Mentos
United Kingdom203 Posts
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berzerger
Turkey95 Posts
On September 14 2010 17:55 me_viet wrote: who wants to see match between Idra/LaLush as Terran and Morrow as Zerg? Poll: Who wants to see IDRA as T vs MORROW as Z SHOWMATC YES~!!!!! (143) I want to see LaLush as T instead~!!!! (3) NO~!!! *insert obscure reason here* (2) 148 total votes Your vote: Who wants to see IDRA as T vs MORROW as Z SHOWMATC (Vote): YES~!!!!! EDIT spelt idra name wrong -___-" I wonder if this happens , will it be bigger than "Chill vs Combat-EX Grudge Match" and will it be casted by Day9... | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On September 14 2010 17:55 Mentos wrote: the problem lies not in madfrog, but the community. very few players choose to speak their minds, because if they do, they're labeled as whiners by all the muppets. if players of morrows caliber have the nerve to say that stats in this topic are so low for zerg, because there are no good zerg players, then how the fuck can you expect the rest to think objectively, or should I rather say - think at fucking all. Are you saying people can't make up their own minds and just think whatever the top players think? And I've seen plenty of top players say the game is imbalanced (including Morrow). I don't agree with everything Morrow said, but atm it's quite possible we have fewer good zerg players (relative to the amount playing zerg) as a contributing factor. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On September 14 2010 16:41 IdrA wrote: youd be gold league if you played zerg not just as a switch, if youd been playing zerg since the beginning youd still be gold right now if you honestly think that you and 90% of the other terrans who are currently doing well deserve to win tournaments you're a joke. Maybe if you played P or T you'd actually win something  People blaming their losses on anything but themselves are really annoying. When i lose vs Terran i only get angry at myself for not playing properly. Blaming the game for your losses isnt going to get you anywhere. | ||
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
On September 14 2010 16:41 IdrA wrote: youd be gold league if you played zerg not just as a switch, if youd been playing zerg since the beginning youd still be gold right now if you honestly think that you and 90% of the other terrans who are currently doing well deserve to win tournaments you're a joke. btw no offence, but using dimaga as an example of no imbalance is pretty bad. I mean, if it wasn't for him, there would be only one zerg winner out of 74 tournaments. 1/74 = 1.35% but oh wait, because there's dimaga that gets multiplied to 5.5% yaaaaay. balanced. | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On September 14 2010 17:56 Fantistic wrote: That won't prove anything. Stop trying to derail the thread by shit stirring. Well, it was Morrow's offer first (no disrespect again). Then some no-names call him out on that. Then Idra himself called the bluff(?) I'm not shit-stirring, they all did it themselves. Don't you remember the Combat-ex vs Chill? Just a grudge match. I remember the premises back then was because Combat was win-farming and is supposedly higher than he's supposed to be. Chill called him out. This is nearly the same with morrow claiming he can perform nearly the same as Zerg (as a Zerg player I resent that, but i respect him for his T play) and then Idra called him out on it. I'm hoping it'll be something comes along with epic commentaries etc. | ||
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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On September 14 2010 17:52 toadstool wrote: I think he means compared to foreign zergs... and he's absolutely right. He 's the only zerg with results to show for it in the foreign scene. I just replied because the I found the 'you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about' part is funny. I mean, it's assumed he meant non korean zergs since there's no koreans in this NA/EU list. That isn't what he said. If he meant it, then he should have said that. And it certainly isn't implied since Koreans are included in the list. There's nothing "funny" about it, what I said is completely accurate. Anyone who thinks Dimaga is the best Zerg player, and especially "by far", has no clue what they're talking about. Also, IdrA is a foreigner. It doesn't matter whether you go to Korea, join a pro team or anything. If you are not Korean then you are a foreigner. It's incredible that someone would use Dimaga as an example of why Zerg isn't weak. Dimaga is the perfect example of just the opposite. He used desperate all-in strategies during Day9's tournament because he thought the game was so imbalanced that he wouldn't be able to win more standard games. Then he entertains the thought of switching to Terran because of how weak Zerg is. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On September 14 2010 09:02 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The problems are Thermal Lance Colossi and Blink Stalkers. In BW, at the moment when Reavers can get on offense, the DT player can have enough Psionic Storm to repel the attack. That is not possible against Colossi in SC2. Even if Psionic Storm is available in time, it is not powerful enough against Colossi to matter. And there is nothing like Blink Stalkers in BW but in SC2 they make Photon Cannons useless. The only thing that is somewhat similar is the elevator strategy where one Shuttle moves an entire army into the opponent's main base but of course a Warp Prism is even better than a Shuttle so the SC2 DT strategy is more difficult there as well. Economy isn't an issue in the analogy. The issue is when each build can get things and how effective those things are against each other. If SC2 reverted to SC:BW's mining AI and Chrono Boost was removed, DT's would still be ineffective in PvP. Well Blink IS on the way to DTs. Can you defend the Colossus push with blink stalkers? probably not =/. I used to try some builds like that, but I have only had success with blink against poorly micro'ing colossus-going players, so I switched up my PvP up and I go 2 gate-stargate, but that seems like a very non-macro style, and I still often-times long to find that magical build that could turn PvP into BW-style macro-war but I think at least with the current map pool it may be impossible, but even if it is, I don't know if I'd like that given how much colossi rape everything. | ||
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Mentos
United Kingdom203 Posts
On September 14 2010 18:03 nam nam wrote: Are you saying people can't make up their own minds and just think whatever the top players think? And I've seen plenty of top players say the game is imbalanced (including Morrow). I don't agree with everything Morrow said, but atm it's quite possible we have fewer good zerg players (relative to the amount playing zerg) as a contributing factor. Of course that the majority of people can't think for themselves, but that's beside the point. What I meant is that a top zerg player doesn't want to speak his mind about imbalance when asked a direct question, because he'll be labeled as a whiner, no matter how constructive he is. That simple fact blocks any kind of fruitful discussion on the subject, because too few people who might have something worthwhile to say choose to join it. In result we are left with average or just plain bad players speaking out of their asses, which even further diminishes how people feel about discussing the said subject. | ||
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
On September 14 2010 18:07 Lefnui wrote: That isn't what he said. If he meant it, then he should have said that. And it certainly isn't implied since Koreans are included in the list. There's nothing "funny" about it, what I said is completely accurate. Anyone who thinks Dimaga is the best Zerg player, and especially "by far", has no clue what they're talking about. Also, IdrA is a foreigner. It doesn't matter whether you go to Korea, join a pro team or anything. If you are not Korean then you are a foreigner. It's incredible that someone would use Dimaga as an example of why Zerg isn't weak. Dimaga is the perfect example of just the opposite. He used desperate all-in strategies during Day9's tournament because he thought the game was so imbalanced that he wouldn't be able to win more standard games. Then he entertains the thought of switching to Terran because of how weak Zerg is. Oh I forget, this is the internet. Everything must be stated obviously, or else dumb people wont understand. | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On September 14 2010 10:31 MorroW wrote: have you played 6 hours a day for all beta and release? no? ok maybe thats the problem. this many top terrans has done on our list but how many zerg foreigners has practiced as hard as us? terran is fucking OP but these tournament results cant give zerg more wins because we dont have any zergs to win any tournaments except dimaga, idra doesnt play these There are atleast 5-7 eu/na zergs that would be on the same level or better then silver(110 apm), drewbie, sjow , naama, Kawaiirice, lastshadow, cauthonluck, etcetcetc, painuser, thorzain.... They just cant win a tournament tho, cause as lalush said, getting past 5-6 terrans in a tourny is not possible. | ||
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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On September 14 2010 18:05 Deadlyfish wrote: People blaming their losses on anything but themselves are really annoying. So you're annoyed by people blaming losses caused by imbalance on imbalance? That sounds more like a personal problem to me. When i lose vs Terran i only get angry at myself for not playing properly. What a prince. Blaming the game for your losses isnt going to get you anywhere. What does that even mean? | ||
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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On September 14 2010 18:19 toadstool wrote: Oh I forget, this is the internet. Everything must be stated obviously, or else dumb people wont understand. You're the one who is being dumb about this. As I told you, he didn't say it and it isn't implied because Koreans are included in the list. And IdrA is a foreigner who is better than Dimaga. | ||
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JamieDukes
Russian Federation82 Posts
Stefan Anderson fiting LALush isnt this a cosmetic shop? | ||
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