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Are there any standards as far as how many points one starts with after being promoted to a new league? Generally, from what I've seen, it tends to be about 600 points. As I am #1 (1170 point) in platinum, I am facing a lot of 500-1000 point diamonds, so I would guess that one gets somewhere around that amount of points? If this is true it essentially means that anyone below 600 points in diamond generally should be of less skill than the top platinum players. I tend to more often loose against platinum players as far down as to 500 points, than I do against 600+ diamonds.
If meeting 600+ diamond players and winning vs. them is a good sign of promotion, then how does the system view at loosing against 500 point platinums? I guess this is where the "MMR" goes into play, but in my mind it's still kind of incomprensible.
The ladder system seems to be kind of imbalances in some ways. If it takes so long for the ladder to get to a state where it reflects the true skill of the players I don't really see the point of seasonly restarting the whole thing. It feels like the ladder system is just some kind of visual shell to make us feel all good about ourselves.
When I eventually get promoted, will I pretty much meet players of the same skill as I do now, or will I immediately start facing higher ranked diamond players?
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Great post, finally found the best answer to this system yet.
One thing: could you define what MMR and Sigma mean in the original post? Took me a long time to find out what they are, might save others the trouble.
Thanks
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On October 05 2010 06:50 kitling89 wrote:
Great post, finally found the best answer to this system yet.
One thing: could you define what MMR and Sigma mean in the original post? Took me a long time to find out what they are, might save others the trouble.
Thanks
Okay, added to the first post.
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OMG why was i placed in gold league i bought the game yesterday, won 3/2 of my placement matches and boom im in gold.
what the hell man lol
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Great post! My understanding of the ladder system improved alot.
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fantastic post!
i think it's time to finally play my 1v1 placements. haha
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On October 14 2010 08:05 UnholyRai wrote:
OMG why was i placed in gold league i bought the game yesterday, won 3/2 of my placement matches and boom im in gold.
what the hell man lol
I'm sure you'll do fine  There are two leagues above gold and two below.
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On October 14 2010 08:53 Rotodyne wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2010 08:05 UnholyRai wrote:
OMG why was i placed in gold league i bought the game yesterday, won 3/2 of my placement matches and boom im in gold.
what the hell man lol I'm sure you'll do fine There are two leagues above gold and two below.
I tried gold and i got demolished 3 games in a row.
I was confident in the practice leagues (lol) then i somehow won 3/5 of my placements matches and got put in gold (i don't know how i won tbh, i think i somehow played really well).
but since getting demolished in gold i have lost all of my confidence and now i just try to cheese to win and it epic fails.
ahhh damn lolll. i actually want to be demoted until i learn the game...
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Okay I'm almost at the 45 day inactivity mark on ladder you think thats long enough to test if it raises your sigma? I want it to be something where if inactivity does increase your sigma I can win my first game back and still get demoted that sort of a thing.
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What exactly is the display rating if bonus pool is not factored in? Simply your points minus bonus points that you obtained from winning in ladder?
What then is the purpose of your points if it doesn't even serve any viable purpose? They should just not hide the MMR so people can actually be ranked without Blizzard having to release their top 200 every week or so ._.
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On October 31 2010 22:23 Proposal wrote:
What exactly is the display rating if bonus pool is not factored in? Simply your points minus bonus points that you obtained from winning in ladder?
What then is the purpose of your points if it doesn't even serve any viable purpose? They should just not hide the MMR so people can actually be ranked without Blizzard having to release their top 200 every week or so ._.
What do you mean the bonus pool is not factored into your display rating? Of course it is. If you're at 1500 and you win a game earning 20 points (10 from bonus) your new display rating would be 1520.
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does this guy even know what sigma is?
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On February 18 2011 04:03 jstocky14 wrote:
does this guy even know what sigma is?
did you read his previous posts?
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Hope it's alright to squeeze in a short queery I've been having about the ladder. Sorry in advance for possible lack of basic knowledge, I just got the game a few weeks ago. However, I have been playing quite a bit, but even though I have had som decent win-streaks I ALWAYS lose all, or very close to all, my points when I finally lose. Thus back to square one point wise. The thing is though that in some of the more recent matches I've played my opponent were either equally good or better, according to the statements before the game. After said games though, most of which I won, it says "You were favoured" and I am only rewarded 4-6 point, including bonus.
Am I missing something, or do I just lose the wrong games? My buddy who bought it at the same time as me started getting 20+ from his first game, and is now at around 1000p. Can anyone aid me in my frustration?
#EDIT I saw now that most of my problem was described in the first post, but I still wonder why I do not get any extra points when teams are even or even at my disadvantage (as I said, the system just changes its mind, and states that I in fact was favoured before the game, when the score screen comes up).
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It will be fixed on next patch (1.3) (at least that's what the patch notes says!).
You can eventually fix it if you win enough games, but if you are a newbie in this game it can be just impossible.
If I were you I would just play and don't care about my points till the new patch comes and see what happens.
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Thanks so much for a quick response! Really looking forward to the patch now! Any idea if my hidden rating keeps spiraling downwards, or if that will keep up with my wins?
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On March 15 2011 05:08 Molestaire wrote:
Thanks so much for a quick response! Really looking forward to the patch now! Any idea if my hidden rating keeps spiraling downwards, or if that will keep up with my wins?
Generally speaking, your hidden rating will improve as long as you're winning more than you're losing, but it's highly dependent on who you get matched up against (beating a lower-level player will increase your hidden rating less than beating a higher-level player).
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On March 15 2011 06:02 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 05:08 Molestaire wrote:
Thanks so much for a quick response! Really looking forward to the patch now! Any idea if my hidden rating keeps spiraling downwards, or if that will keep up with my wins? Generally speaking, your hidden rating will improve as long as you're winning more than you're losing, but it's highly dependent on who you get matched up against (beating a lower-level player will increase your hidden rating less than beating a higher-level player).
Ok, but in the loading screen in often says "slightly favoured" in the opponents favour or teams even. As I said though, after the game it always says "You were favoured". Which one of them is wrong?
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On March 17 2011 06:55 Molestaire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 06:02 Excalibur_Z wrote:On March 15 2011 05:08 Molestaire wrote:
Thanks so much for a quick response! Really looking forward to the patch now! Any idea if my hidden rating keeps spiraling downwards, or if that will keep up with my wins? Generally speaking, your hidden rating will improve as long as you're winning more than you're losing, but it's highly dependent on who you get matched up against (beating a lower-level player will increase your hidden rating less than beating a higher-level player). Ok, but in the loading screen in often says "slightly favoured" in the opponents favour or teams even. As I said though, after the game it always says "You were favoured". Which one of them is wrong?
The score screen always has the correct information.
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Now that the ladder has been reset, how's this gonna work? Everybody getting their opponents to be favoured every match until ratings get close to the MMR?
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