EPTOn February 18 2011 04:03 jstocky14 wrote:
does this guy even know what sigma is?
does this guy even know what sigma is?
Did this guy really bump an old post to criticize a mod?
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Moody
United States750 Posts
Did this guy really bump an old post to criticize a mod? | ||
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Kyamo
Canada129 Posts
On March 30 2011 03:43 Old.Snake wrote: Now that the ladder has been reset, how's this gonna work? Everybody getting their opponents to be favoured every match until ratings get close to the MMR? Yes. | ||
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TickTockBoom
Canada185 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
I suspect that division modifiers will end up compensating for much of this. A point value of 0 on the ladder listing doesn't necessarily equate to the division-adjusted point value that's compared to your opponent's MMR for purposes of how many points are awarded. | ||
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Spirit09
United Kingdom38 Posts
Q: Shouldn't it be expected that you are favoured as often as your opponent is favoured. Such that the ratio between being favoured and against favoured is approximately 50:50. Also wouldn't you expect that most games are even... perhaps something along the lines of 80% even, 10% favoured, 10% opponent favoured? Now the stats... - Taken from more than 300 games... - Favoured status determined from points assigned ignoring bonus Of all my games: I am favoured in 9.2% of games. My opponent is favoured in 24.1% of games. So I have to play a favoured opponent almost 1/4 of the time! How important is being favoured? Look at match results: When I am favoured my win/loss is 55.5% When my opponent is favoured my win/loss is 37.5% When the match is even my win/loss is 54.5% So my being favoured is basically no help at all. If I play 100 games as the favoured player I would only win 1 game more than if I played 100 games as team even. That is not an advantage. But for my opponent being favoured is a massive disadvantage, I only win about 1 in 3 in this case! Conclusions: It would seem that: - When I am favoured I get no real advantage, and the points won/lost for this mean this is really a big disadvantage! - My opponent is favoured a disproportionate amount of the time and this means I lose a lot of games. - If you look only at even matched games my win/loss is about 55%, but looking at all games it is around 45%... favoured games are penalising me... Am I missing something here? I really haven't enjoyed playing recently because it has felt like the game is making it unfairly hard for me to win, I think the data I collected supports this. I'm not trying to moan about this, I love SC2. I just don't understand what is going on and I'd like to know if other people find this or if I've made a mistake in my analysis. Sure would feel better if the match making worked as advertised and I actually did win/lose 50% of the time. Thanks guys! | ||
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Atarirocks
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
On September 05 2010 14:43 Excalibur_Z wrote: Q: I'm in Bronze. Is it possible to get promoted directly to Gold? A: Yes. It's possible to go from any league to any other league, wherever your MMR and sigma stabilize. Viewing your match history and the profiles of your opponents should clue you in to where you're likely to be promoted next. EDIT 3/14: Internal changes to the ladder system appear to have prevented "league skipping". The system is a little more aggressive about promoting players into new leagues, now. Apparently leaque skipping is possible, according to Zhydaris on the EU forums. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2418222057?page=1#15 From where did you get your information that this was changed? | ||
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Malloy
Canada166 Posts
On May 31 2011 04:50 Spirit09 wrote: - If you look only at even matched games my win/loss is about 55%, but looking at all games it is around 45%... favoured games are penalising me... Am I missing something here? I really haven't enjoyed playing recently because it has felt like the game is making it unfairly hard for me to win, I think the data I collected supports this. I'm not trying to moan about this, I love SC2. I just don't understand what is going on and I'd like to know if other people find this or if I've made a mistake in my analysis. Sure would feel better if the match making worked as advertised and I actually did win/lose 50% of the time. Thanks guys! Um, the matchmaking system is designed to try and make you climb the ladder...so being matched against people that are slightly better than you makes a lot of sense. This way, as you naturally get better, you will start facing better and better people. If the system just pinned you against people with the same MMR and your ratio remains at 50%...then this suggests that you aren't improving. You need to start winning against those that have slightly higher MMR. At any rate, a 45% win rate isn't horrible for someone that isn't at the top of the ladder. It just means that you have a little learning to do. (And the smallest tweak in your play may improve that win rate dramatically, like removing a recurring supply block, or learning how to force an opponent away from a strategy you are weak against.) | ||
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thezanursic
5478 Posts
Me and my friend have just started laddering in 2v2 and sometimes it happens that the game speed isn't in fastest and how the f is that possible and that bothers me a lot the game being in normal is way to slow and boring for me to enjoy it so yesterday I tried to change the settings inbetween games and it was locked. My question is, is this simply a bug or is it something else and if so what is it? Note: I never have similar problems when I ladder in 1v1 | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12224 Posts
On July 20 2011 21:29 Mendelfist wrote: Apparently leaque skipping is possible, according to Zhydaris on the EU forums. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2418222057?page=1#15 From where did you get your information that this was changed? Around January or so of 2011 Blizzard was looking to promote players more aggressively to cut down on the "I'm Bronze fighting DIAMONDS WTF BLIZZ" reports because they agreed that didn't make a lot of sense and could be discouraging to players. Additionally, promotions during win streaks were too few and far between which was also discouraging, and the concept of intentionally losing some games in order to get promoted was counter-intuitive. There has been no official announcement or acknowledgment that the system changed in any way, but we can see from empirical findings that promotions weren't as rare as they used to be. If Zhydaris says it's still possible to skip leagues then I'd be interested to discuss with him further, either he's got outdated information (which sometimes happens) or it is indeed still possible but not as common as it used to be. Of course it's still possible during league lock periods to skip leagues at the start of the following season. | ||
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