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the octoshape plug-in...well, it bothers that i had to download yet ANOTHER plug-in, and i will probably have to continue to download updates for this plug-in. that's ok though, the stream quality with this plug-in is awesome, and practically lag free.
however, i didn't realize how much trouble this plug-in is. i opened the MLG stream and two octoshape plug-in processes open up consuming 200 MB memory each... that's a total of 400 MB. that's absolutely insane. i'm not going to start doing math, but that's a lot of memory. also, the plug-in uses your computer to repeat the stream to other computers. use of your computer + your bandwidth to feed other computer. and....for some reason for me, the plug-in doesn't close itself after you're done watching the stream. that's not cool...
your thoughts now that you know this?
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Octoshape is kind of a bittorrent streaming system. You share your stream with others it consumes upload as well.
Its not working for every browser and its a bit annoying to setup. I always had trouble to get it running. Suddenly it was working for about 3-4 month and now its in bugmode again. Really annoying thingy but yea streamqual is kinda good and no lags, but i still prefer livestream because of my bad upload speed :p
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I know I can't even get the stream to work with my normal browser (Firefox). Only with crappy ol' IE.
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octoshape only consumes bandwidth when you have the stream running. when you close the stream the process still runs, but no longer sends or receives data
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I don't know why so many people have problems with Octoshape, I have been using it for years watching Gotfrag.tv then MLG tourneys. It allows MLG to put out a High quality stream without having to have a huge upload speed or a 3rd party website to host their stream.
As for turning itself off, by default it doesn't but if you right click on the icon in the tray you can go to the settings and change that. While you're there you might also want to turn off Octoshape opening when windows starts.
On August 29 2010 14:25 sensenmann wrote:
I know I can't even get the stream to work with my normal browser (Firefox). Only with crappy ol' IE.
I have no problem with it in Firefox. Make sure your Firefox is updated and you have MLGpro and Octoshape's website Allowed if you use noscript. If you use adblock plus you might also have to turn it off.
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Doesn't work with my opera  anyone know how i can fix that? i have to run it in IE i don't wanna.
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I personally throttle the upstream of it, as i cannot afford to upload so much. (We pay for data usage here)
It is quite frustrating to use, have plenty of hassles getting it to work.
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I had it working fine in both Chrome 6.0 and Firefox, once I clicked "allow" to the like 10 different security popups that showed up.
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I just don't get why you have to pay $10 extra for an HD MLG stream when you are using octoshape. I could see if you have to dedicate tons of bandwidth to upload to each person, but with octoshape a lot of it is users streaming to users.
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The issues I had with Octoshape during the MLG Raleigh tournament were actually being caused by Java. Not only did it pop up its "Do you want to run this" thing in the background (so I didn't notice it until I decided to try closing/reopening my browser) but it also worded it so that pressing "No" was the right answer. Of course, I thought to myself, "Yes, I want to see this", which in fact blocked it.
I'm not a user interface genius but even I know that basic human interface design is to ask to allow, not to block >.>
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I hate octoshape simply because of the occasional rewind of the stream for a brief moment. It's very annoying. T.T
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On August 29 2010 15:07 devolore wrote:
The issues I had with Octoshape during the MLG Raleigh tournament were actually being caused by Java. Not only did it pop up its "Do you want to run this" thing in the background (so I didn't notice it until I decided to try closing/reopening my browser) but it also worded it so that pressing "No" was the right answer. Of course, I thought to myself, "Yes, I want to see this", which in fact blocked it.
I'm not a user interface genius but even I know that basic human interface design is to ask to allow, not to block >.>
Yeah, I had this issue too. It wasn't until like 20 minutes of uninstalling/reinstalling and re-attempting to connect that I finally slowed down to read the text carefully.
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On August 29 2010 15:03 Disposition wrote:
I just don't get why you have to pay $10 extra for an HD MLG stream when you are using octoshape. I could see if you have to dedicate tons of bandwidth to upload to each person, but with octoshape a lot of it is users streaming to users.
Because MLG has to make money somewhere to be able to put events like this on. The site I work with requires a donation to get a direct HD download of the videos we put out. The download itself doesn't cost us that much, but if it wasn't for those donations we literally wouldn't be able to create the videos in the first place.
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On August 29 2010 15:03 Disposition wrote:
I just don't get why you have to pay $10 extra for an HD MLG stream when you are using octoshape. I could see if you have to dedicate tons of bandwidth to upload to each person, but with octoshape a lot of it is users streaming to users.
The HD stream also had a DVR feature. Octoshape also isn't free for them to use, They have to buy a license from them which is fairly expensive IIRC.
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On August 29 2010 15:12 bcuz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 15:03 Disposition wrote:
I just don't get why you have to pay $10 extra for an HD MLG stream when you are using octoshape. I could see if you have to dedicate tons of bandwidth to upload to each person, but with octoshape a lot of it is users streaming to users. The HD stream also had a DVR feature. Octoshape also isn't free for them to use, They have to buy a license from them which is fairly expensive IIRC.
yeah, that's very true. the octoshape plug-in is expensive, and i'm sure if you want rights to use HD, it costs even more. hence, they have to charge you. at the same time though, we watch anywhere from 2-5 minutes of commercials between matches (i didn't count, that was a rough estimate).
it'd be great if octoshape was available to the community, the stream quality is really amazing even though it is a huge headache, and somewhat controversial. i think the issue is the combination of:
1. octoshape plug-in
2. octoshape charges for its use (i suppose that's fair because its commercial free from their end)
3. commercials from original stream
4. paying for HD content (MLG has sponsors...if i'm watching commercials then maybe i deserve HD?)
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Octoshape works fine with my pc. Good stream quality, and most important NO_LAG. I always have lag when watching other streams if they have more then 3k viewers. This is so annoying, so i am very glad i could view the MLG for hours without any lag 
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Octoshape is also buggy, because during the IEM I had several streams running (GLHF.tv and the IEM one) and turned off the sound for both stream while doing something else and suddenly I heard the sound of an ad which was running on one of the streams. So I really hate that plugin, because it screws with my computer when I dont want it to be screwed with.
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On August 29 2010 16:33 Perkins1752 wrote:Octoshape works fine with my pc. Good stream quality, and most important NO_LAG. I always have lag when watching other streams if they have more then 3k viewers. This is so annoying, so i am very glad i could view the MLG for hours without any lag
Agreed. On Livestream and Ustream there are always problems when the viewer count gets too high but after a few initial difficulties, the MLG stream was solid as a rock. I never had a second of lag or rewinds or anything. It seems like a decent amount of people had trouble with it, but neither I nor any of my friends did. I definitely have no problem with octoshape.
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What exactly is the problem with their eula, is it privacy?
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On August 29 2010 14:28 yourDaddy wrote:
octoshape only consumes bandwidth when you have the stream running. when you close the stream the process still runs, but no longer sends or receives data
In it's EULA isn't it stated that Octopshape will consume bandwith even after you close the stream? :o
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Octoshape just segfaults for me.
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On August 29 2010 17:39 Piski wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 14:28 yourDaddy wrote:
octoshape only consumes bandwidth when you have the stream running. when you close the stream the process still runs, but no longer sends or receives data In it's EULA isn't it stated that Octopshape will consume bandwith even after you close the stream? :o
You can easily prevent this by manually rightclicking the icon in the taskbar and close it.
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Octoshape would eat too much bandwith for me to use. with 30gig ul/dl i already have to chose what i watch carefuly.
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Octoshape... is the biggest piece of garbage I've ever seen in my life
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I agree, Octoshape needs to shape up and get better.
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Octoshape. Beats my livestream and ustream experiences hands down. Thousands upon thousands of viewers, NO LAG.
That for me is the most important thing when watching streams.
And you can setup it to close when not needed, not eating your bandwith after you finish watching.
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On August 29 2010 17:48 Perkins1752 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 17:39 Piski wrote:On August 29 2010 14:28 yourDaddy wrote:
octoshape only consumes bandwidth when you have the stream running. when you close the stream the process still runs, but no longer sends or receives data In it's EULA isn't it stated that Octopshape will consume bandwith even after you close the stream? :o You can easily prevent this by manually rightclicking the icon in the taskbar and close it.
True. But the argument was that it's only consuming bandwith when the stream is on, which is false. The fact that you can turn it off doesn't change that.
Just wanted to clear that up for the masses who don't really know what octoshape is.
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To fair they do state it when promting you to install, that it will consume bandwidth even after you close the stream. So its not like its something they do underhanded. And Im willing to accept that since it was so lag free and good (at least for me), maybe because it runs in the background for a lot of people.
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It's what you could call a Worm. I installed it, but it has literally no contact with the outside world.
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judging by IEM and now MLG, i will say i fully support octoshape so far, the streams have been 0% lagging for me and with so few hickups that its barely worth complaining about, compared to other streams that seems much more random
but it IS a shame that alot have trouble with getting it to work, hopefully it will be solved over time
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I'm surprised more people are not mad or at least annoyed it's a forced thing. Personally I don't mind sending out my extra bandwidth torrent style if I'm watching a stream and only doing that. I don't like being forced to put that strain on my computer though. Just because I have a stream up doesn't mean I'm devoting my attention to it. Normally when I'm going to get on sc2 the first thing I do is pop up the tl/jtv stream sections and tab a bunch of streams to see if anyone is worth watching over playing myself. I also sometimes listen to tourney streams in the background of gaming. In those situations being forced to use Octoshape is annoying. If it at least gave the option to not use it, or to limit the bandwidth used I wouldn't mind it as much.
I also question it being used by corporate sponsored events, in the mlg case especially. I felt like I had to mute almost as many commercial breaks as content, content that was barely high enough quality to tell what was going on.
I don't know I guess all I'm saying is that if it was jtv/ustream/livestream I'd be more open to it (with being able to control it's bandwidth use) as I'd be more likely to believe it was for the better of the viewership, and not skeptical this is just a ploy to cut mlg streaming costs to the absolute minimum regardless of the quality provided. (Clearly they want to provide the best stream for the least money, I'm just saying I think the low quality of the free stream combined with this and quite a few commercials..seems to far in one direction to me).
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Never worked for me and I'm not going to try it again.
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works fine for me, never had issues
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I'm bumping this thread because since yesterday my Antivir is spotting an octoshape dll file as a malware : AppData\Roaming\Octoshape\Octoshape Streaming Services\sua-1002170-0-libOctoshapeClient.dll
Anyone else got this ? Is it dangerous ?
Thanks !
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It was such a hassle to get the plug-in to watch the iem. Man, i almost went insane. I probably did something wrong a bunch of times seeing as i had to install it about 4-5 times before i could get it to work. Good quality stream though. Was well worth it for the iem games in my opinion.
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For those having a problem with Octoshape not working with your default browser, if you go into settings in Octoshape you can change the browser it uses from the "Default Browser" which I think is IE to the "System Default Browser" I believe.
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Never had any problems with it.
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Us in the SEA region might have download caps. I'm just worried about Octoshape consuming tons of bandwidth while I'm unawares.
In Firefox, I went to Tools -> Add-ons and disabled Octoshape. Yet for some reason, I am still able to watch Octoshape streams =/.
Do any of you guys know what the deal behind that is? Is Octoshape still running?
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I think while you have the octoshape icon in your taskbar it's still running. Don't know if the disable thing in firefox changes something.
Anyone but me having Antivir spotting sua-1002170-0-libOctoshapeClient.dll as a backdoor malware ?
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On September 02 2010 16:12 z00t wrote:
Us in the SEA region might have download caps. I'm just worried about Octoshape consuming tons of bandwidth while I'm unawares.
In Firefox, I went to Tools -> Add-ons and disabled Octoshape. Yet for some reason, I am still able to watch Octoshape streams =/.
Do any of you guys know what the deal behind that is? Is Octoshape still running?
Just uninstall it completely from your computer if you want to get rid of it. Octoshape has some features which let it override your "settings" (it made me hear the sound of ads while I had turned off the sound of the stream I had running in the background). Better safe than sorry ...
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On September 02 2010 16:20 Bibzball wrote:
I think while you have the octoshape icon in your taskbar it's still running. Don't know if the disable thing in firefox changes something.
Oh ok, thanks for that >_<. At first I didn't notice it was in the taskbar because non of the icons looked out of the ordinary, but then I took a closer look and realised that the Octoshape icon was indeed there. Hopefully this'll fix the problem :p.
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My Avira antivirus went mental on this last night, now i can't use it because apparently it's a virus
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Are you guys kidding me? Octoshape is very innovative, and you should cheer it on for that - It utilizes connections from other users, in order to bring better quality than ever before!
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I was real leery of DL any plugin I didn't know but I really wanted to watch the comp. so I did. First rule broke was it not shutting off. Second rule broke was starting up with my computer without giving any indication. Final straw was a .dll of Octoshape's setting of my antivirus every few minutes. Needless to say it is gone and I'll just watch replays next time.
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On September 02 2010 17:24 Qzy wrote:
Are you guys kidding me? Octoshape is very innovative, and you should cheer it on for that - It utilizes connections from other users, in order to bring better quality than ever before!
Which would be cool if the quality of the ESL stream was any better then any ustream stream, which it is not.
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On September 02 2010 17:24 Qzy wrote:
Are you guys kidding me? Octoshape is very innovative, and you should cheer it on for that - It utilizes connections from other users, in order to bring better quality than ever before!
Words of wisdom from someone probably a lot older than you:
Not every bit of new technology is actually better than the old stuff. For most of the new stuff the market (Apple is VERY GOOD at this) has to be created first, before it actually becomes "needed".
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When I first heard that mlg was using octoshape I was angry because I assumed that I wouldn't be able to get it to work. Shit like this tends not to work for me.
However when I discovered there was a linux client, and that it worked perfectly and the quality if the stream was decent, and not only did it work, it ran in a native video player instead of flash which violates my cpu, it completely flipped my opinion of the situation. It is quite literally better than flash for me. I can even run the octoshape plugin as an unprivileged user so I don't even have to worry about it fucking with my system.
So yeah, my opinion is totally changed and I will be an avid mlg viewer in the future because of it.
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What video player did you use? VLC? ive been trying to run streams in VLC, but with no luck so far
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I used mplayer on linux. I've heard vlc works too for most people, but I honestly don't use it myself. I know the octoshape plugin attempts to launch mplayer itself (but it fails due to bad flags).
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