EPTThe Truth About Diamond League - Page 9
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Motiva
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KillerPlague
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On August 25 2010 03:27 TurpinOS wrote: Good post here, also just leads to my point that, even though someone shouldnt ''brag'' about his 500 diamond point, it still is useful for the gold/silver player because when seeing that a ''500 pt diamond'' wrote that, he knows he can probably learn from it. What? Getting to 500 pt diamond doesn't require anything other then know how to pull of a good allin like a 4gate as P. Just beacuse you reach diamond it doesn't mean others can learn from you. Learn 4gate? Sure, become a better player? Not as likely. Just beacuse you win alot on the SC2 ladder and reach the highest league, it doesn't make you a good and knowledgable player.. I know that sounds really weird and stupid, but its true. | ||
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On August 25 2010 03:32 Senx wrote: What? Getting to 500 pt diamond doesn't require anything other then know how to pull of a good allin like a 4gate as P. Just beacuse you reach diamond it doesn't mean others can learn from you. Learn 4gate? Sure, become a better player? Not as likely. Just beacuse you win alot on the SC2 ladder and reach the highest league, it doesn't make you a good and knowledgable player.. I know that sounds really weird and stupid, but its true. Like I said earlier in this thread I, as zerg, have literally seen 800 diamond players try a vanilla 4 gate rush. If it fails to cause serious damage they quit immediately. I don't know if it'd be worth learning from these players lol. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
if i post something it is always 100% the indisputable truth | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On August 25 2010 03:27 TurpinOS wrote: Good post here, also just leads to my point that, even though someone shouldnt ''brag'' about his 500 diamond point, it still is useful for the gold/silver player because when seeing that a ''500 pt diamond'' wrote that, he knows he can probably learn from it. No, not necessarily. I see threads like "i got to #1 diamond with this build" where the build turns out to be some weird all-in build. Threads like this don't help the players but stunt their growth. | ||
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allowicious
United States972 Posts
People need to be more humble..it's getting ridiculous. | ||
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MangoTango
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Asdkmoga
United States496 Posts
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
On August 25 2010 03:32 Senx wrote: What? Getting to 500 pt diamond doesn't require anything other then know how to pull of a good allin like a 4gate as P. Just beacuse you reach diamond it doesn't mean others can learn from you. Learn 4gate? Sure, become a better player? Not as likely. Just beacuse you win alot on the SC2 ladder and reach the highest league, it doesn't make you a good and knowledgable player.. I know that sounds really weird and stupid, but its true. And obviously, 500 pt diamond players are ALL ONLY DOING ALL-INS, none of them can have a good knowledge of the game and just not have the micro and macro to pull it off, right ? Like I said, it DOESNT make you good and knowledgeable, but odds are you are still better and have more knowledge then the people that dont manage to get to your rank (but again, not necessarily, which is exactly the opposite of what the OP said ''dont argue with better people'' ) On August 25 2010 03:36 infinity21 wrote: No, not necessarily. I see threads like "i got to #1 diamond with this build" where the build turns out to be some weird all-in build. Threads like this don't help the players but stunt their growth. Totally agree, but I dont see how this topic was only directed to that. | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
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MisterD
Germany1338 Posts
Also, the point system is quite obviously open to inflation. This is a simple question of motivating players. Even if you stay at your current skill level, you can always increase that number. Better players only achieve higher numbers faster, but other than that, these numbers have absolutely no meaning except of "plays a lot". Therefore, the only point one can argue about is, that blizzard did not introduce enough leagues. If you look at the iccup system, counting from d- to a or wherever this went, you end up having more than different classes of players. Battle.net has just five. So maybe write some feedback to blizz to add more leagues. You just can not complain about merging five iccup grades into a single new battle.net league, if there are three times as much iccup grades than battle.net offers different leagues. There is simply no other way for this to work out. The only thing that *could* maybe be changed is that the majority of players on iccup was ranked rather lower, and the majority on battle.net is ranked rather higher. But you will always have a less detailed scale to judge a players skill or knowledge or whatever kind of level you call it. oh and i also agree with that wierdo rating, i never played sc or bw, i played wc3 custom maps but never ladder, and now i played less than 25 sc2 ladder games and got promoted to diamond. Don't get that myself x) | ||
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thekrnkid
United States37 Posts
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On August 25 2010 03:27 FabledIntegral wrote: All that matters is people's knowledge relative to other people's knowledge. If you are a rank ~500 diamond, it doesn't matter if you will "suck" 5 years from now. The point is, if you're ~500 Diamond, you are in the top tier of players. No, not the top 0.001%. But you are in the top ~5-7% of players. And that says something. 500 Diamond is only like top 10% regionally. | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
I guess it has more to do with mechanics and basic strategic reasoning rather than the knowledge of BOs. Executing a good BO isn't worth much if you can't keep up with the macro in the mid-game and vice versa. Many diamond players are pretty straightforward in their games and many lower level players are much more creative, but their mechanics are holding them back. Also in low-mid diamond there are so many cheesers who have no clue what to do if their proxy gate fails. None of these can be called solid players in my opinion. It would be great if the diamond level threshold would have been raised so that it would correspond to something like C+ in ICCUP - e.g. people with decent mechanics who also invest time into studying BOs and higher level strategies. Then "I am diamond" would indeed mean something. | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
I can understand for all the other league but people in diamond wanna be ranked 1643th. Not fucking 24th on a random marine echo divison. On an other note great write up Saracen. I was C- on ICCUP and im around 400 diamond. I don't play alot tho, could get higher I guess | ||
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Rabbet
Canada404 Posts
On August 25 2010 03:11 Konsume wrote: I currently average in around 800-900 and back in the days I was B- Agreed, I've lost the speed. I was maybe at 250ish APM back then and now I have trouble to stay over 150apm... and SC2 is a different game. I also switched from protoss to zerg. The fact that I lost speed over time (since I left BW to play WoW) doesn't mean I lost my intelligence or I can't help someone... since I have the actual understanding of the game (except vs terrans since I lose 90% of my ZvT and I wouldn't help anyone in ZvT right now) I just have trouble with my control (which will come back in the near future). that being said, I totaly disagree with you. Coaches in BW aren't the best players but they have a brain and knows what to do. Just cause they can't execute it perfectly... it doesn't mean they can't help someone in the strategy forums but I do agree that silvers/gold players that will argue with you over things is kinda anoying. Hope it helped  Good post. I understand the game better than a lot of these high level streamers do, I just cannot execute like I used to. BTW were in the same Diamond Ladder. | ||
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