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mkchoi0801
Canada125 Posts
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ALPINA
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On August 25 2010 04:01 mkchoi0801 wrote: What a pointless thread... really? Were you jealous that you weren't placed in Diamond league or something? The rankings will always be based on normal curves, and since SC2 is a new game like you mentioned, there are gonna be many many 'average' players being placed in mid Diamond. So.... what? Are we supposed to say, hey guys I'm a huge noob help me out plox? It is what it is. That's actually a very good thread, maybe you don't get the point? | ||
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Gann1
United States1575 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
On August 25 2010 04:01 mkchoi0801 wrote: What a pointless thread... really? Were you jealous that you weren't placed in Diamond league or something? The rankings will always be based on normal curves, and since SC2 is a new game like you mentioned, there are gonna be many many 'average' players being placed in mid Diamond. So.... what? Are we supposed to say, hey guys I'm a huge noob help me out plox? It is what it is. Read what he wrote before commenting. Don't infer stupidity when his intentions are transparent. | ||
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krok(obs)
Germany264 Posts
now in sc 2 im at 700-800 diamond and see myself struggling as a z to actually make consistent gains. have a friend who once or twice played bw and some other rts. he played the beta as toss and when sc2 came out he went up to platinum right away, switched to terran recently and is now nr 10 in his diamond league.....have to say tho that his diamond league is relatively new, still.....someone with years of experience in bw and then someone else who just happened to hop on the sc2 train comes along and is catapulted into the same league? at a higher ranking? not that i envy him that or anything i couldnt care less, just goes to show the whole phail of the league system in general or whatever. i also strongly agree with op and am always fairly amazed when i encounter people whose apm ( i know, i know, still) hits a mere 65 in the entire game and who literally dont seem to know what to do after a failed 4 gate, banelingrush or 4 raxwhatever. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
On August 25 2010 04:01 mkchoi0801 wrote: What a pointless thread... really? Were you jealous that you weren't placed in Diamond league or something? The rankings will always be based on normal curves, and since SC2 is a new game like you mentioned, there are gonna be many many 'average' players being placed in mid Diamond. So.... what? Are we supposed to say, hey guys I'm a huge noob help me out plox? It is what it is. On July 16 2010 13:17 EvilTeletubby wrote: This actually should be a perm ban IMO. Next strike, please make sure this guy is out of here. Ok C U. | ||
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NoobieOne
United States1183 Posts
On August 25 2010 03:52 Moonling wrote: Actually i could not agree more to this post in playing ladder yesterday i lost to a platinum protoss (i'm zerg) his APM was at average 45 while myn is at 125 i know that APM is not everything but he just 4 gated me on close positions on metaloplis and i bet he does that every single game My apm is constantly lower than others that I play against (mine is about 100 in gold league while i constantly see 150+ apm players) Still I can beat them due to being smarter than them. If they use all their apm to make marauders and tanks totally forgetting about the vikings I will just hide like 3-4 void rays and hit their army when its out of position (this actually happened). I don't like it when people use apm as a benchmark to show how good you are sure if I wanted to I can spam clicks but why does that matter in a real game. It should be more of how well you use your apm | ||
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
On August 25 2010 03:47 Saracen wrote: Posted the edit since a lot of people seem to be missing the point (which may be entirely my fault): It seems like a lot of you are missing the implications of this thread. First, regardless of points, there are two types of players. Players who want to win and players who want to better understand the game. I am saying that this exists even up to what many people consider to be "high diamond," while still existing in lower leagues. The problem comes when people with a certain number of points start using that as evidence for their advice, even though that says nothing about their understanding of the game. Second, people like Qxc, HuK, Sheth, pretty much all of the top players frequent TL. They actually visit it a lot. But they don't post a lot. You might be wondering why they don't provide insight and contribute to discussions. From an interview with Qxc: It's all a matter of respect. I don't know, maybe you'd rather have wonderful theorycrafting sessions with random SC2 players, but I'd rather have mine with Qxc. Of course, the suggestion Qxc proposed is not going to happen because the administrators actually do care about how TL is perceived by the general public. They really want it to be accessible and friendly to players of every skill level. But that's not saying that as things are, we can't get people like Qxc to post a little more frequently by showing them a bit more respect. Respect is a thing, not posting your opinion that is not the same of a pro player just because ''he is a pro player'' is different. My problem with this topic is that, like you said, some 500pt diamond players got there throught cheesing (thus know nothing about the game), while some other 500pt diamond players totally suck at microing, didnt get much games in, but know so much about strategy becuase they just watch 20 hours of replays a day, and I dont think it is fair to make a generalization about, ''you are mid-diamond ---- you dont argue with higher skilled players (and then again also comes the debate about what you qualify as top players, I sure would not argue with QXC, but should I be allowed to argue against the guy that is ranked 100 on the ladder ? the guy that is ranked 200 ?). With that in mind, since you cannot do a generalization about ''players from 500-800 diamond should not agree with people 1000-1300 diamond'', comes the second problem, which is the fact that this is an open forum. As long as you will keep this forum open to everyone, and since everyone is allowed to post, EVERYONE that wants to give their opinions (since there is no restrictions), will argue, may it be the 500 pt diamonds that know a lot, or the 500pt diamonds that always all-in. And sure, I totally agree that the 500pt diamon all-in player should not give his insight in strategy forums, but that is just like anything in life, making 10000000 topics about that and putting banners stating that all over the forums still wont stop them from doing so. TL;DR : I agree with the fact that you should think before posting, but that is stating the obvious. You dont see people screaming everywhere that people should think before talking, even though everyone knows this to be true, and there are still those who do talk without thinking before. | ||
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Clamev
Germany498 Posts
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sage_francis
France1823 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
 i have no idea about timings of opponent buildorders or pretty much jackshit i just guess my way through most of the game but my old C iccup bw mechanics is kind of keeping me up here that being said i think people still should be proud of the rank they have achieved through blood sweat and tears! | ||
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attackfighter
Canada308 Posts
imagine if I learned how to baneling rush or something lol, I'd be dominating diamond leagues so bad. only reason I haven't is because I find the leagues boring as hell | ||
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ChaosWielder
United States166 Posts
What's even worse is my apm is ~50, which is awful. :/ Apparently, so long as I have more than 1 control group, I'm near the "top" of the SC2 community. | ||
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
Why not - create a closed sub-section of the forum for those who rock but make it open viewable. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Edit : mid mid/high lvl diamond | ||
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asdd
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
But I agree completely Tetra, good writeup . | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
Top level players are as likely as anyone else in the community to make an off-the-cuff comment that doesn't really fully represent their complete, nuanced view, and those comments shouldn't have the same weight as a well-reasoned, completely argued post. That's where the value of that substantiation, or backing an argument up with data or strong analysis, comes in. Being a great player does not necessarily strongly correlate to being an effective communicator of one's ideas, though I certainly agree with according such players ample deference when they do share their thoughts. | ||
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XXXSmOke
United States1333 Posts
Hopefully this will calm down the "Im 500 points diamond man I know exactly how this works. This is horrible. I just wish people would post their damn topic, we dont need to know how legit or unlegit you are because we will easyoly be able to tell when we read your post. | ||
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asdd
228 Posts
On August 25 2010 04:03 NoobieOne wrote: My apm is constantly lower than others that I play against (mine is about 100 in gold league while i constantly see 150+ apm players) Still I can beat them due to being smarter than them. If they use all their apm to make marauders and tanks totally forgetting about the vikings I will just hide like 3-4 void rays and hit their army when its out of position (this actually happened). I don't like it when people use apm as a benchmark to show how good you are sure if I wanted to I can spam clicks but why does that matter in a real game. It should be more of how well you use your apm Do you really see people with 150 average APM in Gold? I was about 70-80 in gold and it was the highest I ever saw. | ||
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humansherdog
Canada85 Posts
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