EPTI'm not saying that terran is fine, there are WAY too many good openings and it has to be nerfed (most likely some tweaks for reapers and banshees), but it's just absurd how the community dramatizes the zerg balance atm. Just wait some time and don't blame every single situation which might look difficult to solve on balance. Because zerg itself is such a difficult race it takes a lot longer and more practice to see solutions how to counter the diverse openings. But it's not necessary to spam every single thread on TL, because Idra lost against a terran, with a discussion about TvZ imbalance.
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Bommes
Germany1226 Posts
I'm not saying that terran is fine, there are WAY too many good openings and it has to be nerfed (most likely some tweaks for reapers and banshees), but it's just absurd how the community dramatizes the zerg balance atm. Just wait some time and don't blame every single situation which might look difficult to solve on balance. Because zerg itself is such a difficult race it takes a lot longer and more practice to see solutions how to counter the diverse openings. But it's not necessary to spam every single thread on TL, because Idra lost against a terran, with a discussion about TvZ imbalance. | ||
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
On August 23 2010 20:57 gillon wrote: Except hellions are shut down by ONE spinecrawler without drops on most maps. Are you serious? I think you forget zerglings and a couple of queens. One sunken never prevented drones to be roasted by hellion  | ||
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famz
United States78 Posts
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
On August 23 2010 18:39 JudoChopper wrote: I would have no quibbles about shaking hands but saying the words GG wouldn't always be appropriate, perhaps some other thing like *shake hand* i'd be fine with that. It doesn't make you more mature if you say gg and still think the other guy played like a douche it just makes you more reserved. Also most times just say gg as a mechanical reaction so it really loses its impact and meaning. A handshake is just a formality without the connotations of gg attached. Calling g has nothing to do with the actual intention of calling the game good, but rather acknowledging defeat, and returning the gg in the same manner having the effect of accepting the surrender. | ||
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ssregitoss
Turkey241 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
i can't believe incontrol got flown to dubai to coach sc2 LOL. is that real? that's amazing. | ||
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Highways
Australia6119 Posts
Is it weekly and where is the thread on TL about it? | ||
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Tritonus
Denmark125 Posts
People usually respond by saying "Are you diamond?" and when I say "No" they just leave. It's just so easy to do, and so hard to counter. I'm obviously not playing in the top top pro league, but I imagine that the situation is somewhat mirrored up there. | ||
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kar1181
United Kingdom515 Posts
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sadyque
Romania251 Posts
On August 23 2010 21:38 ssregitoss wrote: the problem is not the reapers the problem lies between the variable of units that terran has.there is much room for terran openings.check game 3.idra could do anything.it is same vs protoss too.terran has everything to win.everything to counter.the other player will always work harder to win.but it will be easy win for terran always.we will see lots of tvt in the future.check the last tournament there is no protoss. Terran has only cheesy units...terran=cheese. Only niche units usefull in certain situations but in a face to face army confrontation they dont stand a chance. Bio play gets utterly destroyed by banelings. (dimaga vs tarson) Mech play gets wtfpwned by mutas.( idra vs tarson) But it seems everyone forgot those two pieces of info we got from IEM and keeps whining about stupid reapers wich lost the game for Tarson in like 8 minutes vs Idra. So fine lets nerf reapers by lowering speed and more cost. But also lets nerf baneling speed and increse cost. Lets buff thor's splash dmg radius cuz they are SUPPOSED to hard counter mutas. Deal? | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
Also the good old one base muta build seems strong against this opening - at least at non-progamer-level. | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:18 Thrombozyt wrote: I'm not pro-level, only 600ish diamond, but it appears to me that spine crawlers would have put an end to most of the reaper antics greatly accelerating the mutalisks which would have gained complete map control. Also the good old one base muta build seems strong against this opening - at least at non-progamer-level. Yep. Just Pros being greedy and thinking, "hurp, I can hold this off with one Spinecrawler." | ||
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Snowfield
1289 Posts
And what i saw from every game was that Terran and Zerg was equal in food and in the "lost" tab. What "always" lost idra the game was the play after that. usually the midgame marine marauder reaper push, but a couple of games he held that off and in the third game he lost to drops and siege tank play I mean, MorroW never won wiith reapers alone. and in the one game idra got mutas, idra won. Anyone want to explain what happened in that game? did morrow fuck up? Its just so little that has to be changed for this to be balanced, i really hope blizz dont go overboard. | ||
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
spine crawlers are a waste of money against reaper orientated builds. the D6 charge just makes u waste so much money on them that you're better off grabbing more lings and creep,unless u decide to build like 3-4 spine crawlers and let the terran get a bigger advantage over you | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On August 23 2010 18:39 JudoChopper wrote: I would have no quibbles about shaking hands but saying the words GG wouldn't always be appropriate, perhaps some other thing like *shake hand* i'd be fine with that. It doesn't make you more mature if you say gg and still think the other guy played like a douche it just makes you more reserved. Also most times just say gg as a mechanical reaction so it really loses its impact and meaning. A handshake is just a formality without the connotations of gg attached. No, it does make you more mature because thinking someone played like a "douche" just because they beat you is absolutely pathetic. There is no situation where playing within the bounds of the rules of the game is a "douche" way to play. Suck it up, stop being a whiny little bitch, and be respectful. It's shit like this that still gives e-sports a bad image. Terran has only cheesy units...terran=cheese. Only niche units usefull in certain situations but in a face to face army confrontation they dont stand a chance. Bio play gets utterly destroyed by banelings. (dimaga vs tarson) Mech play gets wtfpwned by mutas.( idra vs tarson) But it seems everyone forgot those two pieces of info we got from IEM and keeps whining about stupid reapers wich lost the game for Tarson in like 8 minutes vs Idra. So fine lets nerf reapers by lowering speed and more cost. But also lets nerf baneling speed and increse cost. Lets buff thor's splash dmg radius cuz they are SUPPOSED to hard counter mutas. Deal? Yes, Terran doesn't have any way to survive in a longer macro game... What? Do you know anything about SC2? | ||
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Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
On August 23 2010 12:03 JudoChopper wrote: Shaking hands is different to GG, GG means good game, shaking hands does not mean GG or anything like it. Remember how big a deal it was when Lebron walked off the court during a playoff series without shaking anybodys hand after the Cavs lost? He was seen as a bad sport and a poor loser, similar to how people view those who don't gg. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:27 Invictus wrote:spine crawlers are a waste of money against reaper orientated builds. the D6 charge just makes u waste so much money on them that you're better off grabbing more lings and creep,unless u decide to build like 3-4 spine crawlers and let the terran get a bigger advantage over you I never said he should use spines only, but especially in the Xel'Naga Caverns match one or two crawlers would have been helpful, because even 8 reapers need at least 2 shots (more with transfuse) and that is the time where you can sneak lings in their back, shot at them with roaches and do other stuff to force them to disengage. Spines have range 7, D8 charges range 5, so position your roaches 2 units away from your spine and roaches will hit any reaper trying to D8 the crawler and the crawler will hit any reaper trying to pistol the roaches. Suddenly you have created space you control. It's not like the terran is under no pressure to make something work here. He has invested heavily in the reapers and the moment mutas hit the field they are obsolete. So all you need is breathing room. | ||
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hdkhang
Australia183 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:05 sadyque wrote: Terran has only cheesy units...terran=cheese. Only niche units usefull in certain situations but in a face to face army confrontation they dont stand a chance. Bio play gets utterly destroyed by banelings. (dimaga vs tarson) Mech play gets wtfpwned by mutas.( idra vs tarson) But it seems everyone forgot those two pieces of info we got from IEM and keeps whining about stupid reapers wich lost the game for Tarson in like 8 minutes vs Idra. So fine lets nerf reapers by lowering speed and more cost. But also lets nerf baneling speed and increse cost. Lets buff thor's splash dmg radius cuz they are SUPPOSED to hard counter mutas. Deal? How many units does Terran have access to compared to Zerg? Zerg have a limited number of units, very few of which can be used in isolation against a reasonable unit composition. They also don't have a T1 - T1.5 unit which is as versatile as a marine. Also, Thor != hard counter to Mutalisk, it's even arguable if one should even be able to speak in terms of hard counter, soft counter. You act as if just building a unit gives you the right to shut down a certain other unit. The only unit Thor technically "hard counters" are air units which cannot attack ground (corruptor/phoenix). All Terran has to do is build some ravens and a few PDD to shut down mutas. The Ravens won't be a waste anyway since they can do SOOOOO much more than just detect. As Thor costs less gas than Muta, you will have some left over for Ravens anyway. In any case, ever wonder why the majority of Terran players will tell you their best matchup is TvZ... how can a game be balanced if a large majority of Terran players have an easier time against Zerg? A balanced game would have people who are indifferent to what their opponent's race is, or that the population would have a reasonable split. TLO mentioned that Morrow's TvT is stronger than his, and yet he still chose to use Terran because Z would have been even worse. How convenient that you forget that. | ||
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Snowfield
1289 Posts
On August 23 2010 23:27 Invictus wrote: not sure but i guess the main problem of zerg right now is scouting. The game that IdrA won was due to the fact that he managed to slip in a ling into morrow's base and scout everything. i'm not sure about games 1 and 3 though, i didnt managed to see them cause i was doing something else. But on game 4, there was nothing that IdrA could have did about it. He couldn't scout the hidden reactored factory and only saw 2 raxes with tech lab, which most probably made him assume that he was going to use reapers to slightly harass him while getting an expansion out. whereas at game 2 in metalopolis, he scouted the 5 rax reaper and managed to react properly to it. spine crawlers are a waste of money against reaper orientated builds. the D6 charge just makes u waste so much money on them that you're better off grabbing more lings and creep,unless u decide to build like 3-4 spine crawlers and let the terran get a bigger advantage over you idk man, idra was scouting very well with early overlords and overseers basically in MorroWs base all game. I don't really think that's the big issue, i mean, he knew what morrow was doing. | ||
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Maaku
United Kingdom142 Posts
On August 23 2010 18:39 JudoChopper wrote: I would have no quibbles about shaking hands but saying the words GG wouldn't always be appropriate, perhaps some other thing like *shake hand* i'd be fine with that. It doesn't make you more mature if you say gg and still think the other guy played like a douche it just makes you more reserved. Also most times just say gg as a mechanical reaction so it really loses its impact and meaning. A handshake is just a formality without the connotations of gg attached. Well in most circumstance its impossible afaik to shake hands over the internet. So you could count GG in the same was as a hand shake. | ||
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