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On August 21 2010 22:16 KinosJourney2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 22:00 hacpee wrote:On August 21 2010 21:54 KinosJourney2 wrote:
This is retarded, seems like Kespa loves being assholes and ruining other peoples fun,
Won't they just give up already? Blizzard have won and they won't gain anything from ruining innocent peoples fun by cancelling a showmatch. Damn it Kespa. Ruining people's fun? Kespa is paying the bills here. If you want to pay Nada's contract, then he will play as much SC2 for you as you want. Kespa stopped a showmatch they didn't even host/was in charge off. They could have just stopped the stream instead of stopping the actual event(and/or sue the streamer(s)). Nada playing a single SC2 match for fun can't be that dangerous.
Well of course you'll say its not that dangerous. It isn't your money. When its your money, you worry more about these things.
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You guys seem to not understand Kespas point of view. The most famous BW player, NaDa, was playing the new game SC2, Kespa is still heavily invested in BW, and still have great viewership. Kespa can't run with SC2 because of legal issues, so they want to keep BW alive. If the most popular BW player in history is seen playing SC2, they could lose a lot of fans and it would most likely hurt BW, which no one wants to see happen. 
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On August 21 2010 22:19 hacpee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 22:16 KinosJourney2 wrote:On August 21 2010 22:00 hacpee wrote:On August 21 2010 21:54 KinosJourney2 wrote:
This is retarded, seems like Kespa loves being assholes and ruining other peoples fun,
Won't they just give up already? Blizzard have won and they won't gain anything from ruining innocent peoples fun by cancelling a showmatch. Damn it Kespa. Ruining people's fun? Kespa is paying the bills here. If you want to pay Nada's contract, then he will play as much SC2 for you as you want. Kespa stopped a showmatch they didn't even host/was in charge off. They could have just stopped the stream instead of stopping the actual event(and/or sue the streamer(s)). Nada playing a single SC2 match for fun can't be that dangerous. Well of course you'll say its not that dangerous. It isn't your money. When its your money, you worry more about these things.
What do you mean by money?
Some random korean was streaming a SC2 event and Kespa shut it down thinking that they'd get in trouble CAUSE a random korean streamed a SC2 event.
Kespa can't possibly get blamed for what someone unrelated does.
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On August 21 2010 22:18 randomnine wrote:
Looks like NaDa's being interviewed on the ESL stream now. Anyone speak German? Or Korean?
they only talked about the "wemade fox game" Avalon Heroes or however it is called. No word about the showmatch though 
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omg i just loled so hard at the awkward avalon heroes promotion...
Take was like: "hey, who wants a razer mouse and keyboard? this mouse was specially designed for nada its his own progaming mouse which he uses..."
in the showmatch vs. TLO, Nada used the LMO... :D
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On August 21 2010 22:22 KinosJourney2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 22:19 hacpee wrote:On August 21 2010 22:16 KinosJourney2 wrote:On August 21 2010 22:00 hacpee wrote:On August 21 2010 21:54 KinosJourney2 wrote:
This is retarded, seems like Kespa loves being assholes and ruining other peoples fun,
Won't they just give up already? Blizzard have won and they won't gain anything from ruining innocent peoples fun by cancelling a showmatch. Damn it Kespa. Ruining people's fun? Kespa is paying the bills here. If you want to pay Nada's contract, then he will play as much SC2 for you as you want. Kespa stopped a showmatch they didn't even host/was in charge off. They could have just stopped the stream instead of stopping the actual event(and/or sue the streamer(s)). Nada playing a single SC2 match for fun can't be that dangerous. Well of course you'll say its not that dangerous. It isn't your money. When its your money, you worry more about these things. What do you mean by money? Some random korean was streaming a SC2 event and Kespa shut it down thinking that they'd get in trouble CAUSE a random korean streamed a SC2 event. Kespa can't possibly get blamed for what someone unrelated does.
LOL they didn't shut it down because Blizzard would get mad, they shut it down so that Koreans aren't exposed to professional SC2 with a very popular player. They are trying to protect their investment in BW.
I still think it's a dick move, but I completely understand why they did it.
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On August 21 2010 22:22 Pibacc wrote:You guys seem to not understand Kespas point of view. The most famous BW player, NaDa, was playing the new game SC2, Kespa is still heavily invested in BW, and still have great viewership. Kespa can't run with SC2 because of legal issues, so they want to keep BW alive. If the most popular BW player in history is seen playing SC2, they could lose a lot of fans and it would most likely hurt BW, which no one wants to see happen.
That I could understand, but Kespa allowed Nada to play the match and then canceled the running match because some illegal stream that anyone could have anticipated
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On August 21 2010 22:22 Pibacc wrote:You guys seem to not understand Kespas point of view. The most famous BW player, NaDa, was playing the new game SC2, Kespa is still heavily invested in BW, and still have great viewership. Kespa can't run with SC2 because of legal issues, so they want to keep BW alive. If the most popular BW player in history is seen playing SC2, they could lose a lot of fans and it would most likely hurt BW, which no one wants to see happen.
the problem is they let him play at first , then just intervened in the middle of the 3rd game ( which probably would end in 5-10 minutes anyway ) and forced him to quit because of a personal illegal stream. It would be such a big problem if they didnt let him play at the beginning.
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On August 21 2010 22:24 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 22:22 KinosJourney2 wrote:On August 21 2010 22:19 hacpee wrote:On August 21 2010 22:16 KinosJourney2 wrote:On August 21 2010 22:00 hacpee wrote:On August 21 2010 21:54 KinosJourney2 wrote:
This is retarded, seems like Kespa loves being assholes and ruining other peoples fun,
Won't they just give up already? Blizzard have won and they won't gain anything from ruining innocent peoples fun by cancelling a showmatch. Damn it Kespa. Ruining people's fun? Kespa is paying the bills here. If you want to pay Nada's contract, then he will play as much SC2 for you as you want. Kespa stopped a showmatch they didn't even host/was in charge off. They could have just stopped the stream instead of stopping the actual event(and/or sue the streamer(s)). Nada playing a single SC2 match for fun can't be that dangerous. Well of course you'll say its not that dangerous. It isn't your money. When its your money, you worry more about these things. What do you mean by money? Some random korean was streaming a SC2 event and Kespa shut it down thinking that they'd get in trouble CAUSE a random korean streamed a SC2 event. Kespa can't possibly get blamed for what someone unrelated does. LOL they didn't shut it down because Blizzard would get mad, they shut it down so that Koreans aren't exposed to professional SC2 with a very popular player. They are trying to protect their investment in BW. I still think it's a dick move, but I completely understand why they did it.
That's the impression i had from the thread, but it's still wrong by Kespa.
Hacpee talked about Nada losing his progamers license but that wouldn't happen IF Kespa wouldn't have been stupid in the first place and tried to isolate korean citizens from SC2.
I never said that Nada shouldn't have called GG, but that Kespa shouldn't have interfered with the actual event in the first place.
EDIT: I just read the edit in OP, Kespa is obviously up to something. WTF
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On August 21 2010 22:22 Pibacc wrote:You guys seem to not understand Kespas point of view. The most famous BW player, NaDa, was playing the new game SC2, Kespa is still heavily invested in BW, and still have great viewership. Kespa can't run with SC2 because of legal issues, so they want to keep BW alive. If the most popular BW player in history is seen playing SC2, they could lose a lot of fans and it would most likely hurt BW, which no one wants to see happen.
this:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 21 2010 20:54 maJes wrote:
Personally I think it's a fairly simple matter.
KeSPA don't have rights to broadcast SC2 in S.Korea right now.
A KeSPA licensed player is participating in a showmatch, which is being broadcasted in S.Korea.
Who's going to get in trouble if it continues? Obviously KeSPA.
It sucks that the match had to be cancelled but the only person in the wrong here is the guy who streamed it in S.Korea, and caused the chain of events to occur.
might have been the reason why NaDa vs TLO's showmatch was stopped .. and Kespa allowed NaDa to play SC2 in the 1st place so that wasn't the issue ..
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On August 21 2010 22:31 aimaimaim wrote:this: + Show Spoiler +On August 21 2010 20:54 maJes wrote:
Personally I think it's a fairly simple matter.
KeSPA don't have rights to broadcast SC2 in S.Korea right now.
A KeSPA licensed player is participating in a showmatch, which is being broadcasted in S.Korea.
Who's going to get in trouble if it continues? Obviously KeSPA.
It sucks that the match had to be cancelled but the only person in the wrong here is the guy who streamed it in S.Korea, and caused the chain of events to occur. might have been the reason why NaDa vs TLO's showmatch was stopped .. and Kespa allowed NaDa to play SC2 in the 1st place so that wasn't the issue ..
Sounds like BS to me. As far as I know the showmatch was constructed spontaniously. I also have no idea why kespa would get into any kind of legal trouble because they let a licensed player of them play SC2. After all, the negotiations were always about broadcasting rights, nothing else.
So I say it's simply a kespa-is-being-a-greedy-asshole situation. They could've avoided this by coming to an agreement with Blizzard, but obviously they didn't. It obviously works for Gom, and quite well so.
edit: how the hell do I have 400 posts already.
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I honestly dont know.
Maybe there was a translation error? That kespa agreed to a showmatch, and ESL didnt emphasis, that it would be streamed to the internet?
A kneejerk reaction from someone inside kespa? "oh nada is playing and not only promoting the new game" though that person didnt know that they agreed to the showmatch?
Pulling the plug at game 3 seems... strange. Too many things dont add up to "kespa wants to be a dick" - they could be "dickier" in other ways.
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I'm actually glad the plug was pulled when it was. Everyone got 2 matches from start to finish. It was just for fun anyway.
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Could it have been that nada was losing to a foreigner and they used the streamer excuse to save korean face?
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So i guess we won't get vods becuase of this? So incredibly lame i don't even know what to say, why would a company want to do that? Control freaks
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Lots of people seems to think that KeSPA are really stupid. But I can understand why they don't want to switch to sc2 over night. If blizzard would lay of and SC2 could roam free in South Korea it could potentially grow to a big e-sport. Remember, SC2 is not set in stone to succeed as an E-sport.
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It's about money. Kespa would lose profit over this if it was streamed in S.Korea. This shows that Kespa is hindering the progress of competitive Korean SC2 by being so heavily invested in BW.
It is nothing "evil", per say, it is just a shame... which is basically the story whenever money is in the picture, but that is another matter.
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On August 21 2010 22:44 Fojji wrote:
So i guess we won't get vods becuase of this? So incredibly lame i don't even know what to say, why would a company want to do that? Control freaks
Probably 50/50 chance. It is up to the ESL to put them up or not. In doing so however, KeSPA could be douches again and ban all KeSPA players from participating in future events.
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if any1 can find korean netizens opinions would be nice to read it, if kespa found out probably there were many viewers watching it
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Motivations and methods behind it aside, I agree with what Kespa did. The agreement was so long as it was not streamed in SKorea, and it was streamed there so the plug was pulled.
I believe they handled it inappropriately, but none the less it is safe to say that until the big players transfer over, SC2 will not eclipse BW in SKorea.
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