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On April 06 2011 13:36 Greentellon wrote:
Guys, SOTG already concluded that:
1)It was a problem with the internet of the venue. Something they couldn't have seen beforehand.
2)The crew worked almost whole 72 hours without sleep to correc the situation - they tried their best.
What else is there to say?
Even when the stream was up there was a lot left to be desired. How about keeping observers in key games so if unexpected downtime on the mainstage happens they can hop in and cast that, then when it is over they can go into the main stage game. It wasn't just the venue infrastructure, MLG said that they were unprepared for the traffic on Friday and it crashed and then proceded to destroy their servers. But when Day9 and Wheat are sitting their talking about playing tekken or whatever for 40 minutes when the stream is up there are obviously many improvements that could be made, this was glossed over and not even mentioned.
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On April 06 2011 13:46 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 13:44 dcemuser wrote:On April 06 2011 13:41 dacthehork wrote:On April 06 2011 13:39 dcemuser wrote:On April 06 2011 13:27 cryostasis wrote:On April 06 2011 12:55 dcemuser wrote:I'm glad SotG could bring some sense to the masses of rage. Unfortunately, this thread usually has a lot of people who lack common sense, so the next 12 pages will probably be people raging that they didn't sit there berating MLG for 2 hours. On April 06 2011 12:54 Jibba wrote:
Like I said, because they were there, the SotG guys don't really know what happened with the stream. Beyond the technical difficulties, the production plan wasn't very good. Not worth talking about then. Those problems were inherent in the 2010 season as well. I'm not saying they aren't valid, but the major problem of this MLG was obviously the internet. Nobody wants them to berate MLG for the entire 2 hour show, but it is pretty disappointing to hear JP brush aside the fact that, from a spectator standpoint, MLG Dallas was an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, sounds like Sundance tried hard to make it work. What are we supposed to say? Better luck next time? It's at obvious moments like this when it needs to be reiterated that the four people on this show right now are not an accurate cross-section of your average TL.net and SC2 enthusiast, so you can't expect to get an opinion that approaches the consensus. I wouldn't say they are bringing sense to the masses of rage, it's more like they are predictably skirting the issue because it isn't interesting to them. I'm typing this as I'm listening to the guys on the show revel in a discussion on their favorite moments from this past weekend. Too bad nobody saw it happen. I'm glad their opinion isn't the consensus. The consensus on TL.net as of recent has been very disappointing sometimes. MLG needs constructive feedback. There are a lot of things they can definitely improve on. However, there are tons of posts saying that MLG should drop SC2 and never host SC2 again. Those are the type of people nobody needs to hear from, and I'd be very embarrassed if anyone on SotG said that. Even if there was no stream, they're still paying pro players and providing replays at the very least. They tried to make it work. They apologized greatly. They refunded everything or gave free vouchers for future (purchaser's choice). They're trying to get all the replays out and the VODs out as fast as possible. They're changing the people working on their SC2 team to new people so it won't happen again (hopefully). I think that's all they can do at this point. If it happens again at Columbus even after all this has happened and changed, I think their reaction will be a bit different. And your point trying to sensationalize "too bad nobody saw it happen" - most of the stories happened in points that would never be on air anyway. Only the IdrA-TLO matches out of the stories were something we would have seen. Idra vs Huk with halu was casted from reps with casters knowing outcome and most people paying attention on tl twitter. Also why would it be bad if MLG dropped SC2? they put on a HORRIBLE show, don't understate that. Most everyone who tried to watch it or heard about watching it was disappointing/upset. Someone running a terrible event vs no event, I'd rather have the no event and let TSL/NASL take over. MLG isn't pushing the quality higher or getting new fans to SC2 with events like this. If anything they are cashing in on the great community by husky/hd/teamliquid/screddit etc. It would be horrible if MLG dropped SC2. They're giving out quite a bit of prize money, and their tournaments last year generally went over well. There are flaws, but overall, if you can't see the gain for esports when the tournaments do work, then you're blind. Quite a bit of prize money 70 dollar entrance fee 200 entrants 14,000 dollars provided by entrants Plus HQ buyers They don't pay any of their own money to the prize pool. I'd personally be exuberant if MLG dropped SC2. Other game titles like capcom fighters refused MLG for very good reasons.
... that's completely false.
The money you listed barely covers the yearly salary of two people in their tech department. You can't just go A + B = Fish with random money numbers. Most of the prize money for MLG is paid for by sponsors.
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On April 06 2011 13:49 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 13:46 dacthehork wrote:On April 06 2011 13:44 dcemuser wrote:On April 06 2011 13:41 dacthehork wrote:On April 06 2011 13:39 dcemuser wrote:On April 06 2011 13:27 cryostasis wrote:On April 06 2011 12:55 dcemuser wrote:I'm glad SotG could bring some sense to the masses of rage. Unfortunately, this thread usually has a lot of people who lack common sense, so the next 12 pages will probably be people raging that they didn't sit there berating MLG for 2 hours. On April 06 2011 12:54 Jibba wrote:
Like I said, because they were there, the SotG guys don't really know what happened with the stream. Beyond the technical difficulties, the production plan wasn't very good. Not worth talking about then. Those problems were inherent in the 2010 season as well. I'm not saying they aren't valid, but the major problem of this MLG was obviously the internet. Nobody wants them to berate MLG for the entire 2 hour show, but it is pretty disappointing to hear JP brush aside the fact that, from a spectator standpoint, MLG Dallas was an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, sounds like Sundance tried hard to make it work. What are we supposed to say? Better luck next time? It's at obvious moments like this when it needs to be reiterated that the four people on this show right now are not an accurate cross-section of your average TL.net and SC2 enthusiast, so you can't expect to get an opinion that approaches the consensus. I wouldn't say they are bringing sense to the masses of rage, it's more like they are predictably skirting the issue because it isn't interesting to them. I'm typing this as I'm listening to the guys on the show revel in a discussion on their favorite moments from this past weekend. Too bad nobody saw it happen. I'm glad their opinion isn't the consensus. The consensus on TL.net as of recent has been very disappointing sometimes. MLG needs constructive feedback. There are a lot of things they can definitely improve on. However, there are tons of posts saying that MLG should drop SC2 and never host SC2 again. Those are the type of people nobody needs to hear from, and I'd be very embarrassed if anyone on SotG said that. Even if there was no stream, they're still paying pro players and providing replays at the very least. They tried to make it work. They apologized greatly. They refunded everything or gave free vouchers for future (purchaser's choice). They're trying to get all the replays out and the VODs out as fast as possible. They're changing the people working on their SC2 team to new people so it won't happen again (hopefully). I think that's all they can do at this point. If it happens again at Columbus even after all this has happened and changed, I think their reaction will be a bit different. And your point trying to sensationalize "too bad nobody saw it happen" - most of the stories happened in points that would never be on air anyway. Only the IdrA-TLO matches out of the stories were something we would have seen. Idra vs Huk with halu was casted from reps with casters knowing outcome and most people paying attention on tl twitter. Also why would it be bad if MLG dropped SC2? they put on a HORRIBLE show, don't understate that. Most everyone who tried to watch it or heard about watching it was disappointing/upset. Someone running a terrible event vs no event, I'd rather have the no event and let TSL/NASL take over. MLG isn't pushing the quality higher or getting new fans to SC2 with events like this. If anything they are cashing in on the great community by husky/hd/teamliquid/screddit etc. It would be horrible if MLG dropped SC2. They're giving out quite a bit of prize money, and their tournaments last year generally went over well. There are flaws, but overall, if you can't see the gain for esports when the tournaments do work, then you're blind. Quite a bit of prize money 70 dollar entrance fee 200 entrants 14,000 dollars provided by entrants Plus HQ buyers They don't pay any of their own money to the prize pool. I'd personally be exuberant if MLG dropped SC2. Other game titles like capcom fighters refused MLG for very good reasons. ... that's completely false. The money you listed barely covers the yearly salary of two people in their tech department. You can't just go A + B = Fish with random money numbers. Most of the prize money for MLG is paid for by sponsors.
They have people in their tech department? I thought they just hired of bunch of people to play halo at mlg office with sundance.
Either way compare to cost of entry of similar tournaments.
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Never thought of root beer and bourbon...
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On April 06 2011 13:56 RaneStari wrote:
Never thought of root beer and bourbon...
Better drink it before it becomes mainstream.
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oGsMC 장민철
angry ladder start!!
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On April 06 2011 13:58 Bearbear wrote:
oGsMC 장민철
angry ladder start!!
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I totally thought that was real and started looking for it. :<
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Tyler revealing the secrets of the Root Beam!!
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have they talk about MLG yet?
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IdrA i'm also from Michigan!!!
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Anyone else a little annoyed at how JP thinks? Or at least the things he says? Oh well. 3/4 have great personalities! <3
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Does he know thats Pedobear lol.
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On April 06 2011 14:00 ilbh wrote:
have they talk about MLG yet?
That was like the first thing they talked about.
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On April 06 2011 13:45 Tabbris wrote:
What is the Website they are talking about?
www.wellplayed.org
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disappointing sotg imo i want more mlg and they skipped the 3-0 with huk and idra and the chat i missed all that because i wasnt watching mlg's crap stream
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On April 06 2011 14:05 SlapMySalami wrote:
disappointing sotg imo i want more mlg and they skipped the 3-0 with huk and idra and the chat i missed all that because i wasnt watching mlg's crap stream
Idra talked about it briefly and moved on
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All that talk about twinkies at the beginning of the cast...
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ca73y.jpg)
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EPT
