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feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
April 06 2011 04:49 GMT
#13681
On April 06 2011 13:36 Greentellon wrote:
Guys, SOTG already concluded that:

1)It was a problem with the internet of the venue. Something they couldn't have seen beforehand.
2)The crew worked almost whole 72 hours without sleep to correc the situation - they tried their best.

What else is there to say?

Even when the stream was up there was a lot left to be desired. How about keeping observers in key games so if unexpected downtime on the mainstage happens they can hop in and cast that, then when it is over they can go into the main stage game. It wasn't just the venue infrastructure, MLG said that they were unprepared for the traffic on Friday and it crashed and then proceded to destroy their servers. But when Day9 and Wheat are sitting their talking about playing tekken or whatever for 40 minutes when the stream is up there are obviously many improvements that could be made, this was glossed over and not even mentioned.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
April 06 2011 04:49 GMT
#13682
On April 06 2011 13:46 dacthehork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 13:44 dcemuser wrote:
On April 06 2011 13:41 dacthehork wrote:
On April 06 2011 13:39 dcemuser wrote:
On April 06 2011 13:27 cryostasis wrote:
On April 06 2011 12:55 dcemuser wrote:
I'm glad SotG could bring some sense to the masses of rage.

Unfortunately, this thread usually has a lot of people who lack common sense, so the next 12 pages will probably be people raging that they didn't sit there berating MLG for 2 hours.

On April 06 2011 12:54 Jibba wrote:
Like I said, because they were there, the SotG guys don't really know what happened with the stream. Beyond the technical difficulties, the production plan wasn't very good. Not worth talking about then.


Those problems were inherent in the 2010 season as well. I'm not saying they aren't valid, but the major problem of this MLG was obviously the internet.


Nobody wants them to berate MLG for the entire 2 hour show, but it is pretty disappointing to hear JP brush aside the fact that, from a spectator standpoint, MLG Dallas was an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, sounds like Sundance tried hard to make it work. What are we supposed to say? Better luck next time?

It's at obvious moments like this when it needs to be reiterated that the four people on this show right now are not an accurate cross-section of your average TL.net and SC2 enthusiast, so you can't expect to get an opinion that approaches the consensus. I wouldn't say they are bringing sense to the masses of rage, it's more like they are predictably skirting the issue because it isn't interesting to them.

I'm typing this as I'm listening to the guys on the show revel in a discussion on their favorite moments from this past weekend. Too bad nobody saw it happen.


I'm glad their opinion isn't the consensus. The consensus on TL.net as of recent has been very disappointing sometimes. MLG needs constructive feedback. There are a lot of things they can definitely improve on.

However, there are tons of posts saying that MLG should drop SC2 and never host SC2 again. Those are the type of people nobody needs to hear from, and I'd be very embarrassed if anyone on SotG said that. Even if there was no stream, they're still paying pro players and providing replays at the very least.

They tried to make it work. They apologized greatly. They refunded everything or gave free vouchers for future (purchaser's choice). They're trying to get all the replays out and the VODs out as fast as possible. They're changing the people working on their SC2 team to new people so it won't happen again (hopefully). I think that's all they can do at this point. If it happens again at Columbus even after all this has happened and changed, I think their reaction will be a bit different.

And your point trying to sensationalize "too bad nobody saw it happen" - most of the stories happened in points that would never be on air anyway. Only the IdrA-TLO matches out of the stories were something we would have seen.



Idra vs Huk with halu was casted from reps with casters knowing outcome and most people paying attention on tl twitter.

Also why would it be bad if MLG dropped SC2? they put on a HORRIBLE show, don't understate that. Most everyone who tried to watch it or heard about watching it was disappointing/upset.

Someone running a terrible event vs no event, I'd rather have the no event and let TSL/NASL take over. MLG isn't pushing the quality higher or getting new fans to SC2 with events like this. If anything they are cashing in on the great community by husky/hd/teamliquid/screddit etc.


It would be horrible if MLG dropped SC2.

They're giving out quite a bit of prize money, and their tournaments last year generally went over well. There are flaws, but overall, if you can't see the gain for esports when the tournaments do work, then you're blind.


Quite a bit of prize money

70 dollar entrance fee
200 entrants

14,000 dollars provided by entrants

Plus HQ buyers

They don't pay any of their own money to the prize pool. I'd personally be exuberant if MLG dropped SC2. Other game titles like capcom fighters refused MLG for very good reasons.


... that's completely false.

The money you listed barely covers the yearly salary of two people in their tech department. You can't just go A + B = Fish with random money numbers. Most of the prize money for MLG is paid for by sponsors.
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 04:51:58
April 06 2011 04:50 GMT
#13683
On April 06 2011 13:49 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 13:46 dacthehork wrote:
On April 06 2011 13:44 dcemuser wrote:
On April 06 2011 13:41 dacthehork wrote:
On April 06 2011 13:39 dcemuser wrote:
On April 06 2011 13:27 cryostasis wrote:
On April 06 2011 12:55 dcemuser wrote:
I'm glad SotG could bring some sense to the masses of rage.

Unfortunately, this thread usually has a lot of people who lack common sense, so the next 12 pages will probably be people raging that they didn't sit there berating MLG for 2 hours.

On April 06 2011 12:54 Jibba wrote:
Like I said, because they were there, the SotG guys don't really know what happened with the stream. Beyond the technical difficulties, the production plan wasn't very good. Not worth talking about then.


Those problems were inherent in the 2010 season as well. I'm not saying they aren't valid, but the major problem of this MLG was obviously the internet.


Nobody wants them to berate MLG for the entire 2 hour show, but it is pretty disappointing to hear JP brush aside the fact that, from a spectator standpoint, MLG Dallas was an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, sounds like Sundance tried hard to make it work. What are we supposed to say? Better luck next time?

It's at obvious moments like this when it needs to be reiterated that the four people on this show right now are not an accurate cross-section of your average TL.net and SC2 enthusiast, so you can't expect to get an opinion that approaches the consensus. I wouldn't say they are bringing sense to the masses of rage, it's more like they are predictably skirting the issue because it isn't interesting to them.

I'm typing this as I'm listening to the guys on the show revel in a discussion on their favorite moments from this past weekend. Too bad nobody saw it happen.


I'm glad their opinion isn't the consensus. The consensus on TL.net as of recent has been very disappointing sometimes. MLG needs constructive feedback. There are a lot of things they can definitely improve on.

However, there are tons of posts saying that MLG should drop SC2 and never host SC2 again. Those are the type of people nobody needs to hear from, and I'd be very embarrassed if anyone on SotG said that. Even if there was no stream, they're still paying pro players and providing replays at the very least.

They tried to make it work. They apologized greatly. They refunded everything or gave free vouchers for future (purchaser's choice). They're trying to get all the replays out and the VODs out as fast as possible. They're changing the people working on their SC2 team to new people so it won't happen again (hopefully). I think that's all they can do at this point. If it happens again at Columbus even after all this has happened and changed, I think their reaction will be a bit different.

And your point trying to sensationalize "too bad nobody saw it happen" - most of the stories happened in points that would never be on air anyway. Only the IdrA-TLO matches out of the stories were something we would have seen.



Idra vs Huk with halu was casted from reps with casters knowing outcome and most people paying attention on tl twitter.

Also why would it be bad if MLG dropped SC2? they put on a HORRIBLE show, don't understate that. Most everyone who tried to watch it or heard about watching it was disappointing/upset.

Someone running a terrible event vs no event, I'd rather have the no event and let TSL/NASL take over. MLG isn't pushing the quality higher or getting new fans to SC2 with events like this. If anything they are cashing in on the great community by husky/hd/teamliquid/screddit etc.


It would be horrible if MLG dropped SC2.

They're giving out quite a bit of prize money, and their tournaments last year generally went over well. There are flaws, but overall, if you can't see the gain for esports when the tournaments do work, then you're blind.


Quite a bit of prize money

70 dollar entrance fee
200 entrants

14,000 dollars provided by entrants

Plus HQ buyers

They don't pay any of their own money to the prize pool. I'd personally be exuberant if MLG dropped SC2. Other game titles like capcom fighters refused MLG for very good reasons.


... that's completely false.

The money you listed barely covers the yearly salary of two people in their tech department. You can't just go A + B = Fish with random money numbers. Most of the prize money for MLG is paid for by sponsors.


They have people in their tech department? I thought they just hired of bunch of people to play halo at mlg office with sundance.

Either way compare to cost of entry of similar tournaments.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
April 06 2011 04:53 GMT
#13684
Day[9] so red xD
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
RaneStari
Profile Joined October 2010
United States116 Posts
April 06 2011 04:56 GMT
#13685
Never thought of root beer and bourbon...
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 04:57:37
April 06 2011 04:57 GMT
#13686
rut beer.

--idra
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
April 06 2011 04:57 GMT
#13687
On April 06 2011 13:56 RaneStari wrote:
Never thought of root beer and bourbon...

Better drink it before it becomes mainstream.
Bearbear
Profile Joined April 2010
United States94 Posts
April 06 2011 04:58 GMT
#13688
oGsMC 장민철
angry ladder start!!
31 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
April 06 2011 05:00 GMT
#13689
On April 06 2011 13:58 Bearbear wrote:
oGsMC 장민철
angry ladder start!!
31 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


I totally thought that was real and started looking for it. :<
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
April 06 2011 05:00 GMT
#13690
Tyler revealing the secrets of the Root Beam!!
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
April 06 2011 05:00 GMT
#13691
have they talk about MLG yet?
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
April 06 2011 05:01 GMT
#13692
IdrA i'm also from Michigan!!!
|| Fruit Dealer | Leenock | Yughio | Coca | Sniper | True | Solar | Dark |
Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
April 06 2011 05:02 GMT
#13693
Anyone else a little annoyed at how JP thinks? Or at least the things he says? Oh well. 3/4 have great personalities! <3
MaleficOR
Profile Joined May 2010
United States315 Posts
April 06 2011 05:02 GMT
#13694
Does he know thats Pedobear lol.
Its ihdra, like the beginning of idiot- IdrA
Creep
Profile Joined September 2010
United States229 Posts
April 06 2011 05:03 GMT
#13695
On April 06 2011 14:00 ilbh wrote:
have they talk about MLG yet?


That was like the first thing they talked about.
ScarletKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States691 Posts
April 06 2011 05:03 GMT
#13696
On April 06 2011 13:45 Tabbris wrote:
What is the Website they are talking about?


www.wellplayed.org
Looks like I picked the wrong week the quit sniffing glue
SlapMySalami
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
April 06 2011 05:05 GMT
#13697
disappointing sotg imo i want more mlg and they skipped the 3-0 with huk and idra and the chat i missed all that because i wasnt watching mlg's crap stream
marineking will u huk my bigtt1 ilu
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
April 06 2011 05:07 GMT
#13698
On April 06 2011 14:05 SlapMySalami wrote:
disappointing sotg imo i want more mlg and they skipped the 3-0 with huk and idra and the chat i missed all that because i wasnt watching mlg's crap stream


Idra talked about it briefly and moved on
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Louky
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada72 Posts
April 06 2011 05:08 GMT
#13699
All that talk about twinkies at the beginning of the cast...

[image loading]
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
April 06 2011 05:09 GMT
#13700
MC has the best PvP and a really refined PvZ based on 2 base gateway timing attacks...

Was there a reason to assume he would beat a top terran based on history?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=640&part=games&league=standard&vs=T

He has a good record, but it's not like he is stomping terrans left and right
Are you hurting ESPORTS? Find out today - http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232866
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