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On April 06 2011 13:27 cryostasis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 12:55 dcemuser wrote:I'm glad SotG could bring some sense to the masses of rage. Unfortunately, this thread usually has a lot of people who lack common sense, so the next 12 pages will probably be people raging that they didn't sit there berating MLG for 2 hours. On April 06 2011 12:54 Jibba wrote:
Like I said, because they were there, the SotG guys don't really know what happened with the stream. Beyond the technical difficulties, the production plan wasn't very good. Not worth talking about then. Those problems were inherent in the 2010 season as well. I'm not saying they aren't valid, but the major problem of this MLG was obviously the internet. Nobody wants them to berate MLG for the entire 2 hour show, but it is pretty disappointing to hear JP brush aside the fact that, from a spectator standpoint, MLG Dallas was an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, sounds like Sundance tried hard to make it work. What are we supposed to say? Better luck next time? It's at obvious moments like this when it needs to be reiterated that the four people on this show right now are not an accurate cross-section of your average TL.net and SC2 enthusiast, so you can't expect to get an opinion that approaches the consensus. I wouldn't say they are bringing sense to the masses of rage, it's more like they are predictably skirting the issue because it isn't interesting to them. I'm typing this as I'm listening to the guys on the show revel in a discussion on their favorite moments from this past weekend. Too bad nobody saw it happen.
JP and Day9 cannot really say anything bad about MLG because mlg can fire them. so you gotta understand they kinda have their hands tied. but we all know that they know it was a fiasco. you should of seen Day9 and dj's reactions during the downtimes.
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... this SotG a giant letdown for any1 else?
O nah, MLG was awsome. Such a good event. Lets ignore every problem, and say how awsome it is.
and now
I love the format. I played completely terrible all tournament, and I am still seeded for next tournament, which means you non-seeded have to win 3-4x as many matches as I do just to take my spot in being seeded. Just lost so much respect for one of my favorite players.
Like seriously, why didn't Tyler just say, "It's awsome, because everyone who was seeded, basically gets bonus chances and way easier to STAY seeded than to GET seeded."
ugh
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On April 06 2011 13:30 mnofstl007 wrote:
... this SotG a giant letdown for any1 else?
O nah, MLG was awsome. Such a good event. Lets ignore every problem, and say how awsome it is.
and now
I love the format. I played completely terrible all tournament, and I am still seeded for next tournament, which means you non-seeded have to win 3-4x as many matches as I do just to take my spot in being seeded. Just lost so much respect for one of my favorite players.
Like seriously, why didn't Tyler just say, "It's awsome, because everyone who was seeded, basically gets bonus chances and way easier to STAY seeded than to GET seeded."
ugh
this exactly
I definitely won't be watching any future MLGs, it was the first NA event in a long time but with NASL coming up + GSL I'll just watch that.
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I share cryostasis's thoughts but I didn't want to add fuel to the flames.
Anyways about the tournament format:
I think that the schedule is bad because the whole MLG system is flawed. It may be okay for FPS and fighting games, but in my opinion it's far from the best system when it comes to RTS.
This event runs for 3 days, once a couple of months, the tournament format is kind of a complicated double elimination extended series (?!). You can't make comfortable schedules based on these facts. So in result the overall experience is way too frustrating for both the players and the viewers. I for one hate the MLG format because I feel that it doesn't allow players to perform to the best of their ability.
But what can you do? You'd need to change the whole way MLG works.
Aaaaand there's this sound proofing issue...
Tbh I feel that since last year's event, nothing changed. Nonetheless I'll tune in to MLG Colombus.
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Need incontrol to be the voice of rage
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hooray Idra telling it like it is
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so Idra says the lag IS a big deal.
which one is it?
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Guys, SOTG already concluded that:
1)It was a problem with the internet of the venue. Something they couldn't have seen beforehand.
2)The crew worked almost whole 72 hours without sleep to correc the situation - they tried their best.
What else is there to say?
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On April 06 2011 13:36 Greentellon wrote:
Guys, SOTG already concluded that:
1)It was a problem with the internet of the venue. Something they couldn't have seen beforehand.
2)The crew worked almost whole 72 hours without sleep to correc the situation - they tried their best.
What else is there to say?
that wasn't the main point of contention
1. Even when MLG runs fine, there are still humongous delays between games
There are threads on this explaining in more detail but there are 40-60 minute waits at time with absolutely no word and just a "momentarily" screen. Along with many many other problems with the actual coverage.
It's not just their inability to have decent internet, it's a lot of other factors.
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On April 06 2011 13:27 cryostasis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 12:55 dcemuser wrote:I'm glad SotG could bring some sense to the masses of rage. Unfortunately, this thread usually has a lot of people who lack common sense, so the next 12 pages will probably be people raging that they didn't sit there berating MLG for 2 hours. On April 06 2011 12:54 Jibba wrote:
Like I said, because they were there, the SotG guys don't really know what happened with the stream. Beyond the technical difficulties, the production plan wasn't very good. Not worth talking about then. Those problems were inherent in the 2010 season as well. I'm not saying they aren't valid, but the major problem of this MLG was obviously the internet. Nobody wants them to berate MLG for the entire 2 hour show, but it is pretty disappointing to hear JP brush aside the fact that, from a spectator standpoint, MLG Dallas was an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, sounds like Sundance tried hard to make it work. What are we supposed to say? Better luck next time? It's at obvious moments like this when it needs to be reiterated that the four people on this show right now are not an accurate cross-section of your average TL.net and SC2 enthusiast, so you can't expect to get an opinion that approaches the consensus. I wouldn't say they are bringing sense to the masses of rage, it's more like they are predictably skirting the issue because it isn't interesting to them. I'm typing this as I'm listening to the guys on the show revel in a discussion on their favorite moments from this past weekend. Too bad nobody saw it happen.
I'm glad their opinion isn't the consensus. The consensus on TL.net as of recent has been very disappointing sometimes. MLG needs constructive feedback. There are a lot of things they can definitely improve on.
However, there are tons of posts saying that MLG should drop SC2 and never host SC2 again. Those are the type of people nobody needs to hear from, and I'd be very embarrassed if anyone on SotG said that. Even if there was no stream, they're still paying pro players and providing replays at the very least.
They tried to make it work. They apologized greatly. They refunded everything or gave free vouchers for future (purchaser's choice). They're trying to get all the replays out and the VODs out as fast as possible. They're changing the people working on their SC2 team to new people so it won't happen again (hopefully). I think that's all they can do at this point. If it happens again at Columbus even after all this has happened and changed, I think their reaction will be a bit different.
And your point trying to sensationalize "too bad nobody saw it happen" - most of the stories happened in points that would never be on air anyway. Only the IdrA-TLO matches out of the stories were something we would have seen.
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On April 06 2011 13:39 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 13:27 cryostasis wrote:On April 06 2011 12:55 dcemuser wrote:I'm glad SotG could bring some sense to the masses of rage. Unfortunately, this thread usually has a lot of people who lack common sense, so the next 12 pages will probably be people raging that they didn't sit there berating MLG for 2 hours. On April 06 2011 12:54 Jibba wrote:
Like I said, because they were there, the SotG guys don't really know what happened with the stream. Beyond the technical difficulties, the production plan wasn't very good. Not worth talking about then. Those problems were inherent in the 2010 season as well. I'm not saying they aren't valid, but the major problem of this MLG was obviously the internet. Nobody wants them to berate MLG for the entire 2 hour show, but it is pretty disappointing to hear JP brush aside the fact that, from a spectator standpoint, MLG Dallas was an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, sounds like Sundance tried hard to make it work. What are we supposed to say? Better luck next time? It's at obvious moments like this when it needs to be reiterated that the four people on this show right now are not an accurate cross-section of your average TL.net and SC2 enthusiast, so you can't expect to get an opinion that approaches the consensus. I wouldn't say they are bringing sense to the masses of rage, it's more like they are predictably skirting the issue because it isn't interesting to them. I'm typing this as I'm listening to the guys on the show revel in a discussion on their favorite moments from this past weekend. Too bad nobody saw it happen. I'm glad their opinion isn't the consensus. The consensus on TL.net as of recent has been very disappointing sometimes. MLG needs constructive feedback. There are a lot of things they can definitely improve on. However, there are tons of posts saying that MLG should drop SC2 and never host SC2 again. Those are the type of people nobody needs to hear from, and I'd be very embarrassed if anyone on SotG said that. Even if there was no stream, they're still paying pro players and providing replays at the very least. They tried to make it work. They apologized greatly. They refunded everything or gave free vouchers for future (purchaser's choice). They're trying to get all the replays out and the VODs out as fast as possible. They're changing the people working on their SC2 team to new people so it won't happen again (hopefully). I think that's all they can do at this point. If it happens again at Columbus even after all this has happened and changed, I think their reaction will be a bit different. And your point trying to sensationalize "too bad nobody saw it happen" - most of the stories happened in points that would never be on air anyway. Only the IdrA-TLO matches out of the stories were something we would have seen.
Idra vs Huk with halu was casted from reps with casters knowing outcome and most people paying attention on tl twitter.
Also why would it be bad if MLG dropped SC2? they put on a HORRIBLE show, don't understate that. Most everyone who tried to watch it or heard about watching it was disappointing/upset.
Someone running a terrible event vs no event, I'd rather have the no event and let TSL/NASL take over. MLG isn't pushing the quality higher or getting new fans to SC2 with events like this. If anything they are cashing in on the great community by husky/hd/teamliquid/screddit and creating a negative feel to watching sc2 events.
Go on reddit and look up MLG shots from friday of living rooms with 3-4 people sitting around and a black screen.
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On April 06 2011 13:36 Greentellon wrote:
Guys, SOTG already concluded that:
1)It was a problem with the internet of the venue. Something they couldn't have seen beforehand.
2)The crew worked almost whole 72 hours without sleep to correc the situation - they tried their best.
What else is there to say?
I say that's completely bullshit. Tried isn't accepted anywhere. If I show up to my job and screw up my work and say I tried, I still get fired.
This wasn't some random unpredictable act of god... (a moose? really?)
This was a major gaming event, that relies HEAVILY on the internet, not doing a good job of checking to make sure the place had good internet. Despite what the non-tech savvy people on SotG said, it is in fact, absolutely possible to test the load of a connection. It is ridiculously easy to go check beforehand and see what kind of load it can handle. But above all, there should ALWAYS be a backup plan. MLG had none.
They also made some really stupid decisions like choosing to run the stream themselves and then having to take down HQ because their servers couldn't handle the load they got (they specifically said this in their tweets) - and this after sundance himself specifically came on SotG and said that last year they were new and didn't expect the SC2 turnout they got but that this year they would be ready.
They weren't.
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idra mentioned some announcement? i missed the beginning of SOTG. can anyone fill me in please?
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On April 06 2011 13:41 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 13:39 dcemuser wrote:On April 06 2011 13:27 cryostasis wrote:On April 06 2011 12:55 dcemuser wrote:I'm glad SotG could bring some sense to the masses of rage. Unfortunately, this thread usually has a lot of people who lack common sense, so the next 12 pages will probably be people raging that they didn't sit there berating MLG for 2 hours. On April 06 2011 12:54 Jibba wrote:
Like I said, because they were there, the SotG guys don't really know what happened with the stream. Beyond the technical difficulties, the production plan wasn't very good. Not worth talking about then. Those problems were inherent in the 2010 season as well. I'm not saying they aren't valid, but the major problem of this MLG was obviously the internet. Nobody wants them to berate MLG for the entire 2 hour show, but it is pretty disappointing to hear JP brush aside the fact that, from a spectator standpoint, MLG Dallas was an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, sounds like Sundance tried hard to make it work. What are we supposed to say? Better luck next time? It's at obvious moments like this when it needs to be reiterated that the four people on this show right now are not an accurate cross-section of your average TL.net and SC2 enthusiast, so you can't expect to get an opinion that approaches the consensus. I wouldn't say they are bringing sense to the masses of rage, it's more like they are predictably skirting the issue because it isn't interesting to them. I'm typing this as I'm listening to the guys on the show revel in a discussion on their favorite moments from this past weekend. Too bad nobody saw it happen. I'm glad their opinion isn't the consensus. The consensus on TL.net as of recent has been very disappointing sometimes. MLG needs constructive feedback. There are a lot of things they can definitely improve on. However, there are tons of posts saying that MLG should drop SC2 and never host SC2 again. Those are the type of people nobody needs to hear from, and I'd be very embarrassed if anyone on SotG said that. Even if there was no stream, they're still paying pro players and providing replays at the very least. They tried to make it work. They apologized greatly. They refunded everything or gave free vouchers for future (purchaser's choice). They're trying to get all the replays out and the VODs out as fast as possible. They're changing the people working on their SC2 team to new people so it won't happen again (hopefully). I think that's all they can do at this point. If it happens again at Columbus even after all this has happened and changed, I think their reaction will be a bit different. And your point trying to sensationalize "too bad nobody saw it happen" - most of the stories happened in points that would never be on air anyway. Only the IdrA-TLO matches out of the stories were something we would have seen. Idra vs Huk with halu was casted from reps with casters knowing outcome and most people paying attention on tl twitter. Also why would it be bad if MLG dropped SC2? they put on a HORRIBLE show, don't understate that. Most everyone who tried to watch it or heard about watching it was disappointing/upset. Someone running a terrible event vs no event, I'd rather have the no event and let TSL/NASL take over. MLG isn't pushing the quality higher or getting new fans to SC2 with events like this. If anything they are cashing in on the great community by husky/hd/teamliquid/screddit etc.
It would be horrible if MLG dropped SC2.
They're giving out quite a bit of prize money, and their tournaments last year generally went over well. There are flaws, but overall, if you can't see the gain for esports when the tournaments do work, then you're blind.
So sick of people who care about themselves and not about the Starcraft community at all.
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On April 06 2011 13:40 FrankWalls wrote:i think kas might surprise some people
If Kas beats Nada, I don't consider that a bigger upset than Adelscott over MVP, or Goody over Nestea. Kas tears up Europe, definitely one of the best Terrans there.
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What is the Website they are talking about?
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On April 06 2011 13:44 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 13:41 dacthehork wrote:On April 06 2011 13:39 dcemuser wrote:On April 06 2011 13:27 cryostasis wrote:On April 06 2011 12:55 dcemuser wrote:I'm glad SotG could bring some sense to the masses of rage. Unfortunately, this thread usually has a lot of people who lack common sense, so the next 12 pages will probably be people raging that they didn't sit there berating MLG for 2 hours. On April 06 2011 12:54 Jibba wrote:
Like I said, because they were there, the SotG guys don't really know what happened with the stream. Beyond the technical difficulties, the production plan wasn't very good. Not worth talking about then. Those problems were inherent in the 2010 season as well. I'm not saying they aren't valid, but the major problem of this MLG was obviously the internet. Nobody wants them to berate MLG for the entire 2 hour show, but it is pretty disappointing to hear JP brush aside the fact that, from a spectator standpoint, MLG Dallas was an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, sounds like Sundance tried hard to make it work. What are we supposed to say? Better luck next time? It's at obvious moments like this when it needs to be reiterated that the four people on this show right now are not an accurate cross-section of your average TL.net and SC2 enthusiast, so you can't expect to get an opinion that approaches the consensus. I wouldn't say they are bringing sense to the masses of rage, it's more like they are predictably skirting the issue because it isn't interesting to them. I'm typing this as I'm listening to the guys on the show revel in a discussion on their favorite moments from this past weekend. Too bad nobody saw it happen. I'm glad their opinion isn't the consensus. The consensus on TL.net as of recent has been very disappointing sometimes. MLG needs constructive feedback. There are a lot of things they can definitely improve on. However, there are tons of posts saying that MLG should drop SC2 and never host SC2 again. Those are the type of people nobody needs to hear from, and I'd be very embarrassed if anyone on SotG said that. Even if there was no stream, they're still paying pro players and providing replays at the very least. They tried to make it work. They apologized greatly. They refunded everything or gave free vouchers for future (purchaser's choice). They're trying to get all the replays out and the VODs out as fast as possible. They're changing the people working on their SC2 team to new people so it won't happen again (hopefully). I think that's all they can do at this point. If it happens again at Columbus even after all this has happened and changed, I think their reaction will be a bit different. And your point trying to sensationalize "too bad nobody saw it happen" - most of the stories happened in points that would never be on air anyway. Only the IdrA-TLO matches out of the stories were something we would have seen. Idra vs Huk with halu was casted from reps with casters knowing outcome and most people paying attention on tl twitter. Also why would it be bad if MLG dropped SC2? they put on a HORRIBLE show, don't understate that. Most everyone who tried to watch it or heard about watching it was disappointing/upset. Someone running a terrible event vs no event, I'd rather have the no event and let TSL/NASL take over. MLG isn't pushing the quality higher or getting new fans to SC2 with events like this. If anything they are cashing in on the great community by husky/hd/teamliquid/screddit etc. It would be horrible if MLG dropped SC2. They're giving out quite a bit of prize money, and their tournaments last year generally went over well. There are flaws, but overall, if you can't see the gain for esports when the tournaments do work, then you're blind.
Quite a bit of prize money
70 dollar entrance fee
200 entrants
14,000 dollars provided by entrants
Plus HQ buyers
They don't pay any of their own money to the prize pool. I'd personally be exuberant if MLG dropped SC2. Other game titles like capcom fighters refused MLG for very good reasons.
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On April 06 2011 13:46 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 13:44 dcemuser wrote:On April 06 2011 13:41 dacthehork wrote:On April 06 2011 13:39 dcemuser wrote:On April 06 2011 13:27 cryostasis wrote:On April 06 2011 12:55 dcemuser wrote:I'm glad SotG could bring some sense to the masses of rage. Unfortunately, this thread usually has a lot of people who lack common sense, so the next 12 pages will probably be people raging that they didn't sit there berating MLG for 2 hours. On April 06 2011 12:54 Jibba wrote:
Like I said, because they were there, the SotG guys don't really know what happened with the stream. Beyond the technical difficulties, the production plan wasn't very good. Not worth talking about then. Those problems were inherent in the 2010 season as well. I'm not saying they aren't valid, but the major problem of this MLG was obviously the internet. Nobody wants them to berate MLG for the entire 2 hour show, but it is pretty disappointing to hear JP brush aside the fact that, from a spectator standpoint, MLG Dallas was an unmitigated disaster. Yeah, sounds like Sundance tried hard to make it work. What are we supposed to say? Better luck next time? It's at obvious moments like this when it needs to be reiterated that the four people on this show right now are not an accurate cross-section of your average TL.net and SC2 enthusiast, so you can't expect to get an opinion that approaches the consensus. I wouldn't say they are bringing sense to the masses of rage, it's more like they are predictably skirting the issue because it isn't interesting to them. I'm typing this as I'm listening to the guys on the show revel in a discussion on their favorite moments from this past weekend. Too bad nobody saw it happen. I'm glad their opinion isn't the consensus. The consensus on TL.net as of recent has been very disappointing sometimes. MLG needs constructive feedback. There are a lot of things they can definitely improve on. However, there are tons of posts saying that MLG should drop SC2 and never host SC2 again. Those are the type of people nobody needs to hear from, and I'd be very embarrassed if anyone on SotG said that. Even if there was no stream, they're still paying pro players and providing replays at the very least. They tried to make it work. They apologized greatly. They refunded everything or gave free vouchers for future (purchaser's choice). They're trying to get all the replays out and the VODs out as fast as possible. They're changing the people working on their SC2 team to new people so it won't happen again (hopefully). I think that's all they can do at this point. If it happens again at Columbus even after all this has happened and changed, I think their reaction will be a bit different. And your point trying to sensationalize "too bad nobody saw it happen" - most of the stories happened in points that would never be on air anyway. Only the IdrA-TLO matches out of the stories were something we would have seen. Idra vs Huk with halu was casted from reps with casters knowing outcome and most people paying attention on tl twitter. Also why would it be bad if MLG dropped SC2? they put on a HORRIBLE show, don't understate that. Most everyone who tried to watch it or heard about watching it was disappointing/upset. Someone running a terrible event vs no event, I'd rather have the no event and let TSL/NASL take over. MLG isn't pushing the quality higher or getting new fans to SC2 with events like this. If anything they are cashing in on the great community by husky/hd/teamliquid/screddit etc. It would be horrible if MLG dropped SC2. They're giving out quite a bit of prize money, and their tournaments last year generally went over well. There are flaws, but overall, if you can't see the gain for esports when the tournaments do work, then you're blind. Quite a bit of prize money 70 dollar entrance fee 200 entrants 14,000 dollars provided by entrants Plus HQ buyers They don't pay any of their own money to the prize pool. I'd personally be exuberant if MLG dropped SC2. Other game titles like capcom fighters refused MLG for very good reasons.
Thats one way to think of it but I think they try to roll it out like...prize pool comes from the budget given by sponsors (which is also budgeted to venue fees, and lal other costs), then the revenue they get from entry fees and HQ buyers becomes revenue generated.
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