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crms
United States11933 Posts
Anyway, I do think the MLG system is fucking terrible and the top16 have way too big of an advantage. More HALO bullshit team marketing trying to be forced on SC2 when it just doesn't apply in the same manner. the top 5 halo teams just won't lose to the 30th-50th ranked Halo teams. However, a top 5 SC2 player can very easily be knocked off by a 25-50 guy. | ||
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Darksteel
Finland319 Posts
If PvP really would be as coinflip as the popular opinion lets us to believe, it would stand to reason to expect more losses for Naniwa during his run. What would be the main factors to his dominating success in this MLG, abusive build orders ? cheeses ? gosu micro management or what ? We spectators didn't get to see many of his games so maybe you guys know. | ||
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zeru
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GP
United States1056 Posts
On April 06 2011 05:51 zeru wrote: No good player actually thinks PvP is a coinflip matchup fyi. There's a reason good protoss players like MC who understand the matchup have 85% win in it. Agreed, i's not a coin-flip, it just looks that way to the lay observer because one tiny micro mistake can snowball into a loss. It's by far the most unforgiving match-up there is. The reason MC wins so much is because his control is actually probably top three in the world. and he understands PvP more deeply than most other players. | ||
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zeru
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HowSoOnIsNow
Canada480 Posts
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Darksteel
Finland319 Posts
On April 06 2011 05:59 zeru wrote: Exactly, no mistakes are allowed, that's why it's so extremely skill dependent, it has nothing to do with luck at all. It's protosses own fault if they have a negative attitude towards the matchup and don't try to understand it. I'd love to see any player who thinks its a coinflip try to take a single game off a player like MC or naniwa out of 10 games. I don't think its a coinflip either, but a lot of pros reference it as such or rock-paper-scissors. PvP was discussed quite much in a past SotG, but I was more intrested in the factors in Naniwas play that made him do so good. We only saw 2 matchups of his play streamed, from which I could not deduce the factor that made him dominate so hard. Would be nice to hear if the pillars had chance to watch him play more and comment on that. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 06 2011 06:36 Darksteel wrote: I don't think its a coinflip either, but a lot of pros reference it as such or rock-paper-scissors. PvP was discussed quite much in a past SotG, but I was more intrested in the factors in Naniwas play that made him do so good. We only saw 2 matchups of his play streamed, from which I could not deduce the factor that made him dominate so hard. Would be nice to hear if the pillars had chance to watch him play more and comment on that. I'd really hate to sound like I'm advertising, because I'm not, but I just wrote an analysis of Kiwikaki vs. Naniwa. All six games. It even has a link in there to where you can download the replays and watch them yourself. It's in the strategy forum, somewhere, if you want to see it. Aside from that, I'd also like to hear their thoughts on the level of play throughout the tournament. I think it was pretty damn high, but I've seen criticisms from others that some people just played badly. It would be interesting to hear the thoughts of two (maybe three, depending on the guest) of the players in the tournament, plus two of the casters. | ||
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whiterabbit
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Sweden1022 Posts
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
TL:DR These are not new problems for mlg they have had them every tournament they have run for at least 3 years now. | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
On April 06 2011 05:51 zeru wrote: No good player actually thinks PvP is a coinflip matchup fyi. There's a reason good protoss players like MC who understand the matchup have 85% win in it. I do recall when Huk and Tyler were on the podcast after an MLG Huk mentioned the game between them two and Tyler said something like "well, did we play games or did we flip a coin?" | ||
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HEROwithNOlegacy
United States850 Posts
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GriNn
United States243 Posts
On April 06 2011 08:15 iNcontroL wrote: no web cam again today guys sorry. I live with Russ and his family wants privacy from the internet (obviously understandable) so they aren't really for a webcam of any sort in the house during this show. I tried to organize getting to the office to do it from there but it didn't work out. There will be a webcam with my ugly mug on it asap but not today. Don't stress it man, show's just as good with or without a webcam. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On April 06 2011 08:15 iNcontroL wrote: no web cam again today guys sorry. I live with Russ and his family wants privacy from the internet (obviously understandable) so they aren't really for a webcam of any sort in the house during this show. I tried to organize getting to the office to do it from there but it didn't work out. There will be a webcam with my ugly mug on it asap but not today. lol. So will we be seeing dancing iNc or bouncing cat? Maybe JP will have a special fist pump .gif from your victory over TLO(?). | ||
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Oceaniax
146 Posts
On April 06 2011 08:15 iNcontroL wrote: no web cam again today guys sorry. I live with Russ and his family wants privacy from the internet (obviously understandable) so they aren't really for a webcam of any sort in the house during this show. I tried to organize getting to the office to do it from there but it didn't work out. There will be a webcam with my ugly mug on it asap but not today. I think the whole webcam aspect of the show now is a little odd anyway (JP doesn't really use the visual format to show anything substantial, and looking at faces staring through webcams for 2 hours is a little akward), so no harm, no foul. Looking forward to it. As an aside though..........if JP could use the format to show a replay you're discussing or more useful visual aides that would be pretty nice, but that would definetely require some legwork. | ||
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MrSnibbles
United Kingdom267 Posts
Is it somewhere around in the thread, or hasn't it been announced? | ||
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Freebirdo7
United States163 Posts
On April 06 2011 08:15 iNcontroL wrote: no web cam again today guys sorry. I live with Russ and his family wants privacy from the internet (obviously understandable) so they aren't really for a webcam of any sort in the house during this show. I tried to organize getting to the office to do it from there but it didn't work out. There will be a webcam with my ugly mug on it asap but not today. all good, cant wait for the show! gratz on 4th place btw! | ||
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