On April 26 2013 06:06 InstantKarma wrote: JP, DJwheat, and Totalbiscuit probably have the best mics in sc2 besides Day9
My mic destroys Day9s man, sorry I dunno what he uses now but he used to use a Snowball, those things suck. Wheat's the only one I think that has an equivalent audio setup to me since he's using an SM7B.
On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote: Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not?
do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there?
No. What makes you think that?
what else do you expect then?
Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse.
why would they do that? he got DQ'd for breaking their rules. mlg has stated that (whether you like it or not), that comm missed the 512 player limit cut off. and he chose to play under another player who did make the cut off. if anything, you should be crying for the people who comm did beat.
So what if they stated that? Thing are not set in stone if MLG states something. Sometimes leniancy can be showed if a rule is too harsh or even wrongly applied. The last couple of days felt like I was watching shady politics instead of a SC2 tournament. Furthermore it would be good PR if they showed a little more concern about the excluded players.
Just to be clear here, I'm not sure about the whole Comm situation, but if he was indeed smurfing under someone else's account then there really should be no talk of leniency...such behaviour should never be allowed. It's more or less forfeiting your own spot and handing it over to whomever you choose (not decided by the tournament organizer), except you're explicitly lying about it.
On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote: Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not?
do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there?
No. What makes you think that?
what else do you expect then?
Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse.
why would they do that? he got DQ'd for breaking their rules. mlg has stated that (whether you like it or not), that comm missed the 512 player limit cut off. and he chose to play under another player who did make the cut off. if anything, you should be crying for the people who comm did beat.
So what if they stated that? Thing are not set in stone if MLG states something. Sometimes leniancy can be showed if a rule is too harsh or even wrongly applied. The last couple of days felt like I was watching shady politics instead of a SC2 tournament. Furthermore it would be good PR if they showed a little more concern about the excluded players.
Just to be clear here, I'm not sure about the whole Comm situation, but if he was indeed smurfing under someone else's account then there really should be no talk of leniency...such behaviour should never be allowed. It's more or less forfeiting your own spot and handing it over to whomever you choose (not decided by the tournament organizer), except you're explicitly lying about it.
Comm didn't lie about anything, it was clear from the beginning it was him playing on the account. The issue is how/if he communicated it to MLG afaik. For people watching there was no confusion.
On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote: Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not?
do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there?
No. What makes you think that?
what else do you expect then?
Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse.
why would they do that? he got DQ'd for breaking their rules. mlg has stated that (whether you like it or not), that comm missed the 512 player limit cut off. and he chose to play under another player who did make the cut off. if anything, you should be crying for the people who comm did beat.
So what if they stated that? Thing are not set in stone if MLG states something. Sometimes leniancy can be showed if a rule is too harsh or even wrongly applied. The last couple of days felt like I was watching shady politics instead of a SC2 tournament. Furthermore it would be good PR if they showed a little more concern about the excluded players.
512 is pretty set in stone. not sure how it was wrongly applied.
he was not the among the first 512 players who signed up, that's what mlg said, if u want proof u'll have to beat it out of them. he played under someone else's account/name which is a DQ. you can blame it on miscommunication that comm was told that he was in the bracket (or perhaps the admin was just saying that he did in fact sign up) when he wasnt, but that still doesnt mean he could play under someone else's spot.
On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote: Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not?
do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there?
No. What makes you think that?
what else do you expect then?
Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse.
why would they do that? he got DQ'd for breaking their rules. mlg has stated that (whether you like it or not), that comm missed the 512 player limit cut off. and he chose to play under another player who did make the cut off. if anything, you should be crying for the people who comm did beat.
So what if they stated that? Thing are not set in stone if MLG states something. Sometimes leniancy can be showed if a rule is too harsh or even wrongly applied. The last couple of days felt like I was watching shady politics instead of a SC2 tournament. Furthermore it would be good PR if they showed a little more concern about the excluded players.
Just to be clear here, I'm not sure about the whole Comm situation, but if he was indeed smurfing under someone else's account then there really should be no talk of leniency...such behaviour should never be allowed. It's more or less forfeiting your own spot and handing it over to whomever you choose (not decided by the tournament organizer), except you're explicitly lying about it.
Comm didn't lie about anything, it was clear from the beginning it was him playing on the account. The issue is how/if he communicated it to MLG afaik. For people watching there was no confusion.
The lie isn't pretending to be someone else, it's taking someone else's place without informing tournament organizers and playing against other people without saying this switch was unapproved.
On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote: Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not?
do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there?
No. What makes you think that?
what else do you expect then?
Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse.
why would they do that? he got DQ'd for breaking their rules. mlg has stated that (whether you like it or not), that comm missed the 512 player limit cut off. and he chose to play under another player who did make the cut off. if anything, you should be crying for the people who comm did beat.
So what if they stated that? Thing are not set in stone if MLG states something. Sometimes leniancy can be showed if a rule is too harsh or even wrongly applied. The last couple of days felt like I was watching shady politics instead of a SC2 tournament. Furthermore it would be good PR if they showed a little more concern about the excluded players.
Just to be clear here, I'm not sure about the whole Comm situation, but if he was indeed smurfing under someone else's account then there really should be no talk of leniency...such behaviour should never be allowed. It's more or less forfeiting your own spot and handing it over to whomever you choose (not decided by the tournament organizer), except you're explicitly lying about it.
Comm didn't lie about anything, it was clear from the beginning it was him playing on the account. The issue is how/if he communicated it to MLG afaik. For people watching there was no confusion.
Indeed. Too many uninformed people still stating comm was smurfing. He borrowed someone's account to play his games. That's all and he never tried to hide that fact. #FreeComm
On April 26 2013 06:34 Mauldo wrote: I'm sad that TB didn't hold him to explaining why Blizzard says it's committed to region growth but at the same time allows Koreans to come in and completely rape and pillage the WCS NA scene. Korean pillaging =/= NA scene growth
At least the Blizzard rep is holding strong and coming up with legit-enough answers. If it was just a repeat of the MLG-non-apology I'd have finally committed and switched to DOTA 2.
Holy fucking shit, the Koreans are getting screwed over just as bad. Why the hell is no one speaking up for them? Acting like they are rolling in stolen cash when the vast majority of them are simply slaving away in team houses all day for nothing.
So NA doesn't deserve a scene? We can't grow a scene with teamhouses and economic foundation ourselves if we keep sacrificing our scene to our Koreans overlords.
I swear to god, is there anyone who actually reads what I'm saying rather than jumping to wild fucking conclusions and putting words in my mouth?
1) Calm the fuck down dude.
2) I'm just going to walk you through what you said to me, even though I definitely didn't post a word in your general direction.
2a) I said that NA needs a way to grow its player base. Allowing Koreans to come in and pillage our tourney is not how you do so (TB made the point literally 5 minutes after I posted).
2b) You said, and I quote, "Holy fucking shit, the Koreans are getting screwed over just as bad....Acting like they are rolling in stolen cash..." That implies that you think you deserve to take the money from the NA scene, most specifically WCS NA, because they're awesome and they're SC2 gods and they deserve all of our money.
2c) I respond with "So how are we to make any money?"
2d) You respond with "I never said that!"
Only, you did. I say that they shouldn't be allowed in the WCS NA tourney, and you say they should be because they're awesome and work harder than we do.
And this is what I mean by jumping to wild conclusions and putting words in my mouth. No I never said they should be allowed in WCS NA. No I never said they deserve all of the money. No I never said the NA scene should lose money.
WCS NA can be region locked with a respectable prize pool. Fine. However with the new system Korea now has less tournaments and less money going around than it did last year. Coupled with the flood of Kespa players raising the bar of competition even higher. Korea is getting screwed here but all of the focus is on NA and the proposed solutions would screw Korea over even more.
It's because the NA scene was already bleeding and dying before this, and this "attempt" to save it on behalf of Blizzard was really just a way to attract even more Koreans. You're angry that Korea is fucked hard by WCS KR, thats cool. Everyone acknowledges that. But right now people want to save the NA scene from dying, which it undoubtedly will after no Americans make the Ro16, and best case scenario are relegated to the Challenger league if any league at all.
I don't think you'll find a single person who thinks Korea didn't get fucked.
Here..... Why did Korea get fucked? I dont see it, yes there's less money to win now in Korea but why is that? Where did the GSL money go? Or did Blizzard already pay for that? Why is there not another organisation that steps up in Korea while in NA/EU we have MLG/IEM/DH/NASL etc etc.
I really dont get it why people say Korea gets fucked because of WCS.
Great show didn't watch live cause I was at college but on youtube. Thanks for getting out the VoD so fast, I have no idea if you read this forum, but JP keep up the good work man, also good stuff TB and wheat.
On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote: Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not?
do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there?
No. What makes you think that?
what else do you expect then?
Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse.
why would they do that? he got DQ'd for breaking their rules. mlg has stated that (whether you like it or not), that comm missed the 512 player limit cut off. and he chose to play under another player who did make the cut off. if anything, you should be crying for the people who comm did beat.
So what if they stated that? Thing are not set in stone if MLG states something. Sometimes leniancy can be showed if a rule is too harsh or even wrongly applied. The last couple of days felt like I was watching shady politics instead of a SC2 tournament. Furthermore it would be good PR if they showed a little more concern about the excluded players.
Just to be clear here, I'm not sure about the whole Comm situation, but if he was indeed smurfing under someone else's account then there really should be no talk of leniency...such behaviour should never be allowed. It's more or less forfeiting your own spot and handing it over to whomever you choose (not decided by the tournament organizer), except you're explicitly lying about it.
Comm didn't lie about anything, it was clear from the beginning it was him playing on the account. The issue is how/if he communicated it to MLG afaik. For people watching there was no confusion.
Indeed. Too many uninformed people still stating comm was smurfing. He borrowed someone's account to play his games. That's all and he never tried to hide that fact. #FreeComm
He didn't borrow someone's account, he took someone's qualifier spot without agreement from the organizers.
If someone wanted to drop out of the tournament, that spot would be given to the next in line. It was never Comm's, or the other player's, place to decide.
On April 26 2013 07:38 Liman wrote: That blizzard guy didnt actually say anything worthwhile.
He's a community manager, he probably doesn't know anything we don't. Don't blame the guy honestly. He went into a pit of fire for this one in my opinion.
do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there?
No. What makes you think that?
what else do you expect then?
Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse.
why would they do that? he got DQ'd for breaking their rules. mlg has stated that (whether you like it or not), that comm missed the 512 player limit cut off. and he chose to play under another player who did make the cut off. if anything, you should be crying for the people who comm did beat.
So what if they stated that? Thing are not set in stone if MLG states something. Sometimes leniancy can be showed if a rule is too harsh or even wrongly applied. The last couple of days felt like I was watching shady politics instead of a SC2 tournament. Furthermore it would be good PR if they showed a little more concern about the excluded players.
Just to be clear here, I'm not sure about the whole Comm situation, but if he was indeed smurfing under someone else's account then there really should be no talk of leniency...such behaviour should never be allowed. It's more or less forfeiting your own spot and handing it over to whomever you choose (not decided by the tournament organizer), except you're explicitly lying about it.
Comm didn't lie about anything, it was clear from the beginning it was him playing on the account. The issue is how/if he communicated it to MLG afaik. For people watching there was no confusion.
Indeed. Too many uninformed people still stating comm was smurfing. He borrowed someone's account to play his games. That's all and he never tried to hide that fact. #FreeComm
He didn't borrow someone's account, he took someone's qualifier spot without agreement from the organizers.
If someone wanted to drop out of the tournament, that spot would be given to the next in line. It was never Comm's, or the other player's, place to decide.
Someone gave shuttle his account to play in wcs eu and no one had a problem with that. MLG made a bad call on comm whereas esl made the sensible decision to let shuttle play. There's really no defending MLG on this. It was one of the worst run tournament in esports history.
On April 26 2013 07:06 Penev wrote: [quote] No. What makes you think that?
what else do you expect then?
Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse.
why would they do that? he got DQ'd for breaking their rules. mlg has stated that (whether you like it or not), that comm missed the 512 player limit cut off. and he chose to play under another player who did make the cut off. if anything, you should be crying for the people who comm did beat.
So what if they stated that? Thing are not set in stone if MLG states something. Sometimes leniancy can be showed if a rule is too harsh or even wrongly applied. The last couple of days felt like I was watching shady politics instead of a SC2 tournament. Furthermore it would be good PR if they showed a little more concern about the excluded players.
Just to be clear here, I'm not sure about the whole Comm situation, but if he was indeed smurfing under someone else's account then there really should be no talk of leniency...such behaviour should never be allowed. It's more or less forfeiting your own spot and handing it over to whomever you choose (not decided by the tournament organizer), except you're explicitly lying about it.
Comm didn't lie about anything, it was clear from the beginning it was him playing on the account. The issue is how/if he communicated it to MLG afaik. For people watching there was no confusion.
Indeed. Too many uninformed people still stating comm was smurfing. He borrowed someone's account to play his games. That's all and he never tried to hide that fact. #FreeComm
He didn't borrow someone's account, he took someone's qualifier spot without agreement from the organizers.
If someone wanted to drop out of the tournament, that spot would be given to the next in line. It was never Comm's, or the other player's, place to decide.
Someone gave shuttle his account to play in wcs eu and no one had a problem with that. MLG made a bad call on comm whereas esl made the sensible decision to let shuttle play.
We did get a lot of information about how they are improving things. How they are trying to make shows, get in client viewing in Blizzard All-Stars, how they are getting better routes to banning cheaters and having people to contact when cheaters are found. How they are trying to improve things long term(beyond WCS season 1) and that they are trying to move offline.
Also love Shoutcraft - America, its amazing how hard people play when they have something to fight over that they know they have a chance of winning. Its weird how that works.
On April 26 2013 07:06 Penev wrote: [quote] No. What makes you think that?
what else do you expect then?
Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse.
why would they do that? he got DQ'd for breaking their rules. mlg has stated that (whether you like it or not), that comm missed the 512 player limit cut off. and he chose to play under another player who did make the cut off. if anything, you should be crying for the people who comm did beat.
So what if they stated that? Thing are not set in stone if MLG states something. Sometimes leniancy can be showed if a rule is too harsh or even wrongly applied. The last couple of days felt like I was watching shady politics instead of a SC2 tournament. Furthermore it would be good PR if they showed a little more concern about the excluded players.
Just to be clear here, I'm not sure about the whole Comm situation, but if he was indeed smurfing under someone else's account then there really should be no talk of leniency...such behaviour should never be allowed. It's more or less forfeiting your own spot and handing it over to whomever you choose (not decided by the tournament organizer), except you're explicitly lying about it.
Comm didn't lie about anything, it was clear from the beginning it was him playing on the account. The issue is how/if he communicated it to MLG afaik. For people watching there was no confusion.
Indeed. Too many uninformed people still stating comm was smurfing. He borrowed someone's account to play his games. That's all and he never tried to hide that fact. #FreeComm
He didn't borrow someone's account, he took someone's qualifier spot without agreement from the organizers.
If someone wanted to drop out of the tournament, that spot would be given to the next in line. It was never Comm's, or the other player's, place to decide.
Someone gave shuttle his account to play in wcs eu and no one had a problem with that. MLG made a bad call on comm whereas esl made the sensible decision to let shuttle play. There's really no defending MLG on this. It was one of the worst run tournament in esports history.
I am pretty sure there was a guy call Gus that ran a worse event. But they are in second for not understanding how many people would sign up.
EPT
I dunno what he uses now but he used to use a Snowball, those things suck. Wheat's the only one I think that has an equivalent audio setup to me since he's using an SM7B.
