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On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote:
Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not?
do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there?
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On April 26 2013 07:04 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote:
Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not? do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there?
No. What makes you think that?
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On April 26 2013 07:06 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:04 zev318 wrote:On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote:
Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not? do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there? No. What makes you think that?
what else do you expect then?
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On April 26 2013 07:06 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:04 zev318 wrote:On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote:
Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not? do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there? No. What makes you think that?
im just asking what u think that they should do/say since you asked why not. the qualifiers are set at this point.
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On April 26 2013 06:58 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:54 felisconcolori wrote:On April 26 2013 06:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i now know the meaning of the word "agile". It's a combination software development and marketing/business term. I'm not sure which one they're using here. However, he's right in that Blizzard is not generally considered "agile". But they're improving in that sense, if it only took 10 minutes from MLG contact to PhysicsLee getting banned. Agile is a word in English too. Though it comes directly from french, it is transparent. Synonyms are nimble and lithe.
I like your sense of humor...or I think I do.
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where are all the Blizzard apologists who claimed all the WCS problems were the fault of MLG, ESL and GomTV.
And, none of these problems were Blizzard's fault. 
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Why are we not talking about how stupid the non-compete bullshit is? 10k max for each tourny? Does anyone have more details?
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On April 26 2013 07:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:where are all the Blizzard apologists who claimed all the WCS problems were the fault of MLG, ESL and GomTV. And, none of these problems were Blizzard's fault.
From the sounds of it Blizzard just handed NA & EU WCS off to their partners and let them do whatever they wanted.
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On April 26 2013 07:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:where are all the Blizzard apologists who claimed all the WCS problems were the fault of MLG, ESL and GomTV. And, none of these problems were Blizzard's fault.
i just think that this is what blizzard has to say atm. i really don't think it was their fault. even though i must admit it is a good move to protect mlg after the community shit on them so much.
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On April 26 2013 07:07 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:06 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 07:04 zev318 wrote:On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote:
Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not? do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there? No. What makes you think that? what else do you expect then?
Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse.
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On April 26 2013 07:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:where are all the Blizzard apologists who claimed all the WCS problems were the fault of MLG, ESL and GomTV. And, none of these problems were Blizzard's fault.
MLG fucked up. ESL did less so. GomTV was the model for the whole damn thing.
But the buck stops on Blizzard's desk, since they are the driving force and IP owner. 
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On April 26 2013 07:08 meetle wrote:
Why are we not talking about how stupid the non-compete bullshit is? 10k max for each tourny? Does anyone have more details?
above 10k prize pool is considered a major event.
in communist blizzard, dont compete with tourney, tourney will be provided.
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On April 26 2013 07:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:where are all the Blizzard apologists who claimed all the WCS problems were the fault of MLG, ESL and GomTV. And, none of these problems were Blizzard's fault.
Yo blizzard stopped supporting esports like you said right?
Good state of the game enjoyed it so far.
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On April 26 2013 07:03 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:58 Otolia wrote:On April 26 2013 06:54 felisconcolori wrote:On April 26 2013 06:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i now know the meaning of the word "agile". It's a combination software development and marketing/business term. I'm not sure which one they're using here. However, he's right in that Blizzard is not generally considered "agile". But they're improving in that sense, if it only took 10 minutes from MLG contact to PhysicsLee getting banned. Agile is a word in English too. Though it comes directly from french, it is transparent. Synonyms are nimble and lithe. Yes, I'm aware, I'm a native English speaker. This is how I know that it has several different meanings, depending on the context and environment used. Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:57 zev318 wrote:On April 26 2013 06:54 felisconcolori wrote:On April 26 2013 06:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i now know the meaning of the word "agile". It's a combination software development and marketing/business term. I'm not sure which one they're using here. However, he's right in that Blizzard is not generally considered "agile". But they're improving in that sense, if it only took 10 minutes from MLG contact to PhysicsLee getting banned. you and i both know the only reason that guy got banned so fast is because of the shitstorm he caused by playing in WCS NA. there is tons of hackers on bnet and they takes weeks and months for blizzard to even do anything about. Yes, but they took action quickly once they were pointed in the right direction - you can't expect omniscient action by Blizz helpdesk. What I am concerned more about is why did MLG take so damn long to bring it to their attention and LET HIM KEEP PLAYING in the meantime?
i do not expect MLG to keep track of hackers in starcraft 2. it is blizzard's game and they should be the ones who track that. there have been enough allegations or rumours that this guy was a hacker well before WCS NA, blizzard should be the one who looks into that.
i think the problem is more that the organizers and blizzard do not have enough knowledge/connections with the player scene, and that this qualifier was rushed as hell.
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On April 26 2013 07:01 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:53 Exarl25 wrote:On April 26 2013 06:48 Mauldo wrote:On April 26 2013 06:43 Exarl25 wrote:On April 26 2013 06:38 Mauldo wrote:On April 26 2013 06:36 Exarl25 wrote:On April 26 2013 06:34 Mauldo wrote:
I'm sad that TB didn't hold him to explaining why Blizzard says it's committed to region growth but at the same time allows Koreans to come in and completely rape and pillage the WCS NA scene. Korean pillaging =/= NA scene growth
At least the Blizzard rep is holding strong and coming up with legit-enough answers. If it was just a repeat of the MLG-non-apology I'd have finally committed and switched to DOTA 2. Holy fucking shit, the Koreans are getting screwed over just as bad. Why the hell is no one speaking up for them? Acting like they are rolling in stolen cash when the vast majority of them are simply slaving away in team houses all day for nothing. So NA doesn't deserve a scene? We can't grow a scene with teamhouses and economic foundation ourselves if we keep sacrificing our scene to our Koreans overlords. I swear to god, is there anyone who actually reads what I'm saying rather than jumping to wild fucking conclusions and putting words in my mouth? 1) Calm the fuck down dude. 2) I'm just going to walk you through what you said to me, even though I definitely didn't post a word in your general direction. 2a) I said that NA needs a way to grow its player base. Allowing Koreans to come in and pillage our tourney is not how you do so (TB made the point literally 5 minutes after I posted). 2b) You said, and I quote, "Holy fucking shit, the Koreans are getting screwed over just as bad....Acting like they are rolling in stolen cash..." That implies that you think you deserve to take the money from the NA scene, most specifically WCS NA, because they're awesome and they're SC2 gods and they deserve all of our money. 2c) I respond with "So how are we to make any money?" 2d) You respond with "I never said that!" Only, you did. I say that they shouldn't be allowed in the WCS NA tourney, and you say they should be because they're awesome and work harder than we do. And this is what I mean by jumping to wild conclusions and putting words in my mouth. No I never said they should be allowed in WCS NA. No I never said they deserve all of the money. No I never said the NA scene should lose money. WCS NA can be region locked with a respectable prize pool. Fine. However with the new system Korea now has less tournaments and less money going around than it did last year. Coupled with the flood of Kespa players raising the bar of competition even higher. Korea is getting screwed here but all of the focus is on NA and the proposed solutions would screw Korea over even more. It's because the NA scene was already bleeding and dying before this, and this "attempt" to save it on behalf of Blizzard was really just a way to attract even more Koreans. You're angry that Korea is fucked hard by WCS KR, thats cool. Everyone acknowledges that. But right now people want to save the NA scene from dying, which it undoubtedly will after no Americans make the Ro16, and best case scenario are relegated to the Challenger league if any league at all. I don't think you'll find a single person who thinks Korea didn't get fucked. But NA has been dying for years, and with stuff such as the Open Bracket being taken away from MLG, IPL dead, and NASL being all but shut out of tourneys NA doesn't have much hope. At least KR still has GSL, Proleague, and GSTL. The Americas only have WCS NA now, and that's going to quickly become WCS East Korea.
You are acting like it's all sunshine and rainbows in Korea and this is just a minor setback. NA is in trouble yes I acknowledged that but it's possible to fix that without screwing Korea over even harder. Korea still has GSL? No they don't, it's rebranded as WCS and there are only 2 of them this year as opposed to 5 + Blizzard cup last year, and WCS on top of that. Proleague and GSTL don't bring in much money for individual players. Foreign pros are wealthier in general, getting actual salaries and have a much easier time getting stream viewers for additional income.
All the focus is on NA and no one is stopping to think about how all this will affect Korea. Don't even pretend you were taking them into account here because you weren't. This perception that they are all swimming around in stolen foreign money is absurd.
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On April 26 2013 07:09 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:07 Undead1993 wrote:On April 26 2013 07:06 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 07:04 zev318 wrote:On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote:
Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not? do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there? No. What makes you think that? what else do you expect then? Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse.
ye as you said we had it already and it would be bad for apocalypse who thinks he is already qualified. this shit can only get bigger now if you try to fix it somehow. you need to move on and focus on not making this happen again
e: and also comm dq for not following the rules so he has no chance here. even though i can understand him breaking the rules after this fail by the admins.
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On April 26 2013 07:10 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:03 felisconcolori wrote:On April 26 2013 06:58 Otolia wrote:On April 26 2013 06:54 felisconcolori wrote:On April 26 2013 06:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i now know the meaning of the word "agile". It's a combination software development and marketing/business term. I'm not sure which one they're using here. However, he's right in that Blizzard is not generally considered "agile". But they're improving in that sense, if it only took 10 minutes from MLG contact to PhysicsLee getting banned. Agile is a word in English too. Though it comes directly from french, it is transparent. Synonyms are nimble and lithe. Yes, I'm aware, I'm a native English speaker. This is how I know that it has several different meanings, depending on the context and environment used. On April 26 2013 06:57 zev318 wrote:On April 26 2013 06:54 felisconcolori wrote:On April 26 2013 06:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i now know the meaning of the word "agile". It's a combination software development and marketing/business term. I'm not sure which one they're using here. However, he's right in that Blizzard is not generally considered "agile". But they're improving in that sense, if it only took 10 minutes from MLG contact to PhysicsLee getting banned. you and i both know the only reason that guy got banned so fast is because of the shitstorm he caused by playing in WCS NA. there is tons of hackers on bnet and they takes weeks and months for blizzard to even do anything about. Yes, but they took action quickly once they were pointed in the right direction - you can't expect omniscient action by Blizz helpdesk. What I am concerned more about is why did MLG take so damn long to bring it to their attention and LET HIM KEEP PLAYING in the meantime? i do not expect MLG to keep track of hackers in starcraft 2. it is blizzard's game and they should be the ones who track that. there have been enough allegations or rumours that this guy was a hacker well before WCS NA, blizzard should be the one who looks into that. i think the problem is more that the organizers and blizzard do not have enough knowledge/connections with the player scene, and that this qualifier was rushed as hell.
I agree somewhat, but Blizzard cannot monitor all players and account holders all the time. And players have been known to ragequit then report to Blizzard for stupid reasons - so yes, they should track hackers/cheaters and ban when they become aware of it. But MLG as a tournament runner, should also try to vet players better, or at least deal more quickly with issues that are raised to them by players and community. Rushed qualifier I would have to say may have had a lot to do with it.
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GSL/GSTL has VODs...so many hosts seem to not know about this
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On April 26 2013 06:43 StarVe wrote:
ESL and MLG confirmed exclusive partners for 2014, too.
nooooooo
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On April 26 2013 07:09 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:07 Undead1993 wrote:On April 26 2013 07:06 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 07:04 zev318 wrote:On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote:
Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not? do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there? No. What makes you think that? what else do you expect then? Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse.
why would they do that? he got DQ'd for breaking their rules. mlg has stated that (whether you like it or not), that comm missed the 512 player limit cut off. and he chose to play under another player who did make the cut off. if anything, you should be crying for the people who comm did beat.
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