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On April 26 2013 07:11 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:09 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 07:07 Undead1993 wrote:On April 26 2013 07:06 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 07:04 zev318 wrote:On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote:
Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not? do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there? No. What makes you think that? what else do you expect then? Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse. ye as you said we had it already and it would be bad for apocalypse who thinks he is already qualified. this shit can only get bigger now if you try to fix it somehow. you need to move on and focus on not making this happen again
Yes, but they never specifically addressed the topic (Blizzard, MLG). It's kind of insulting the way they communicate about this stuff.
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I think Legend briefly used the telestrator in gameheart in GSTL lol
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there are a lot of dicks on MLG
rofl
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On April 26 2013 07:16 Die4Ever wrote:
I think Legend briefly used the telestrator in gameheart in GSTL lol
He did, to show a perfect probe patrol to deny zerg expansion. 
<3 Legend.
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On April 26 2013 07:11 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:01 Mauldo wrote:On April 26 2013 06:53 Exarl25 wrote:On April 26 2013 06:48 Mauldo wrote:On April 26 2013 06:43 Exarl25 wrote:On April 26 2013 06:38 Mauldo wrote:On April 26 2013 06:36 Exarl25 wrote:On April 26 2013 06:34 Mauldo wrote:
I'm sad that TB didn't hold him to explaining why Blizzard says it's committed to region growth but at the same time allows Koreans to come in and completely rape and pillage the WCS NA scene. Korean pillaging =/= NA scene growth
At least the Blizzard rep is holding strong and coming up with legit-enough answers. If it was just a repeat of the MLG-non-apology I'd have finally committed and switched to DOTA 2. Holy fucking shit, the Koreans are getting screwed over just as bad. Why the hell is no one speaking up for them? Acting like they are rolling in stolen cash when the vast majority of them are simply slaving away in team houses all day for nothing. So NA doesn't deserve a scene? We can't grow a scene with teamhouses and economic foundation ourselves if we keep sacrificing our scene to our Koreans overlords. I swear to god, is there anyone who actually reads what I'm saying rather than jumping to wild fucking conclusions and putting words in my mouth? 1) Calm the fuck down dude. 2) I'm just going to walk you through what you said to me, even though I definitely didn't post a word in your general direction. 2a) I said that NA needs a way to grow its player base. Allowing Koreans to come in and pillage our tourney is not how you do so (TB made the point literally 5 minutes after I posted). 2b) You said, and I quote, "Holy fucking shit, the Koreans are getting screwed over just as bad....Acting like they are rolling in stolen cash..." That implies that you think you deserve to take the money from the NA scene, most specifically WCS NA, because they're awesome and they're SC2 gods and they deserve all of our money. 2c) I respond with "So how are we to make any money?" 2d) You respond with "I never said that!" Only, you did. I say that they shouldn't be allowed in the WCS NA tourney, and you say they should be because they're awesome and work harder than we do. And this is what I mean by jumping to wild conclusions and putting words in my mouth. No I never said they should be allowed in WCS NA. No I never said they deserve all of the money. No I never said the NA scene should lose money. WCS NA can be region locked with a respectable prize pool. Fine. However with the new system Korea now has less tournaments and less money going around than it did last year. Coupled with the flood of Kespa players raising the bar of competition even higher. Korea is getting screwed here but all of the focus is on NA and the proposed solutions would screw Korea over even more. It's because the NA scene was already bleeding and dying before this, and this "attempt" to save it on behalf of Blizzard was really just a way to attract even more Koreans. You're angry that Korea is fucked hard by WCS KR, thats cool. Everyone acknowledges that. But right now people want to save the NA scene from dying, which it undoubtedly will after no Americans make the Ro16, and best case scenario are relegated to the Challenger league if any league at all. I don't think you'll find a single person who thinks Korea didn't get fucked. But NA has been dying for years, and with stuff such as the Open Bracket being taken away from MLG, IPL dead, and NASL being all but shut out of tourneys NA doesn't have much hope. At least KR still has GSL, Proleague, and GSTL. The Americas only have WCS NA now, and that's going to quickly become WCS East Korea. You are acting like it's all sunshine and rainbows in Korea and this is just a minor setback. NA is in trouble yes I acknowledged that but it's possible to fix that without screwing Korea over even harder. Korea still has GSL? No they don't, it's rebranded as WCS and there are only 2 of them this year as opposed to 5 + Blizzard cup last year, and WCS on top of that. Proleague and GSTL don't bring in much money for individual players. Foreign pros are wealthier in general, getting actual salaries and have a much easier time getting stream viewers for additional income. All the focus is on NA and no one is stopping to think about how all this will affect Korea. Don't even pretend you were taking them into account here because you weren't. This perception that they are all swimming around in stolen foreign money is absurd.
The GSL format (Code B/A/S) doesn't really work when there's only 3 tourneys a year. It has to be restructured so that it is possible to participate in the entire system within one season.
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On April 26 2013 07:15 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:43 StarVe wrote:
ESL and MLG confirmed exclusive partners for 2014, too. nooooooo
We're doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!!!!
On the MLG side, not the ESL side.
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On April 26 2013 07:15 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:09 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 07:07 Undead1993 wrote:On April 26 2013 07:06 Penev wrote:On April 26 2013 07:04 zev318 wrote:On April 26 2013 07:02 Penev wrote:
Hmm, I expected more specific questions about the American qualifier. Just a quick summary from JP that got dodged. "There's nothing more we can do for the Chinese at this point". Why not? do u want them to re-run the whole tourney? what do they do with the qualified players if they did? or do they maybe kick out some of the koreans to put them in there? No. What makes you think that? what else do you expect then? Geez, it seems you missed some threads concerning the topic. There is a lot that they can do. For instance the Comm situation: Have him play his match against Apocalypse. why would they do that? he got DQ'd for breaking their rules. mlg has stated that (whether you like it or not), that comm missed the 512 player limit cut off. and he chose to play under another player who did make the cut off. if anything, you should be crying for the people who comm did beat.
So what if they stated that? Thing are not set in stone if MLG states something. Sometimes leniancy can be showed if a rule is too harsh or even wrongly applied. The last couple of days felt like I was watching shady politics instead of a SC2 tournament. Furthermore it would be good PR if they showed a little more concern about the excluded players.
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God fucking dammit Wheat is hilarious :D
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Surprised they didn't mention Dreamhack, the first LAN tournament in over a month.
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On April 26 2013 07:28 Dodgin wrote:
Surprised they didn't mention Dreamhack, the first LAN tournament in over a month.
this is a joke, right?
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On April 26 2013 07:29 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:28 Dodgin wrote:
Surprised they didn't mention Dreamhack, the first LAN tournament in over a month. this is a joke, right?
No, I missed the first few minutes of the show though so maybe they went over it?
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great show, has to be one of my favorite sotgs of all time and by far the best one without incontrol.
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On April 26 2013 07:30 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:29 Undead1993 wrote:On April 26 2013 07:28 Dodgin wrote:
Surprised they didn't mention Dreamhack, the first LAN tournament in over a month. this is a joke, right? No, I missed the first few minutes of the show though so maybe they went over it?
well kevin, the blizzard guy told us like over 25 times to go and watch dreamhack this weekend :D
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On April 26 2013 07:31 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 07:30 Dodgin wrote:On April 26 2013 07:29 Undead1993 wrote:On April 26 2013 07:28 Dodgin wrote:
Surprised they didn't mention Dreamhack, the first LAN tournament in over a month. this is a joke, right? No, I missed the first few minutes of the show though so maybe they went over it? well kevin, the blizzard guym told us like over 25 times to go and watch dreamhack this weekend :D
Oh okay, my bad. I guess I meant a little bit of a more detailed preview.
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Props to Kloaken for showing up. It really showed more human side of Blizzard, that they're not just some evil company.
They should do more of this kind of stuff.
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God damn I love Wheat. They should just do this every week. JP, TB, DJWheat and Incontrol. The Host, a caster/content maker, a team owner and a player/caster. And they all happen to be really fucking funny.
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EPT
