EPTOn April 26 2013 06:43 Thrax wrote:
Yes. I think WCS 2012 was better than WCS 2013.
Yes. I think WCS 2012 was better than WCS 2013.
Really? Because as i see it EU and NA players are gonna get far more time on air compared to last year.
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Really? Because as i see it EU and NA players are gonna get far more time on air compared to last year. | ||
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i'll start using that word more often... and i'll probably be able to add $10/hour to my rate. | ||
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Exarl25
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On April 26 2013 06:48 Mauldo wrote: 1) Calm the fuck down dude. 2) I'm just going to walk you through what you said to me, even though I definitely didn't post a word in your general direction. 2a) I said that NA needs a way to grow its player base. Allowing Koreans to come in and pillage our tourney is not how you do so (TB made the point literally 5 minutes after I posted). 2b) You said, and I quote, "Holy fucking shit, the Koreans are getting screwed over just as bad....Acting like they are rolling in stolen cash..." That implies that you think you deserve to take the money from the NA scene, most specifically WCS NA, because they're awesome and they're SC2 gods and they deserve all of our money. 2c) I respond with "So how are we to make any money?" 2d) You respond with "I never said that!" Only, you did. I say that they shouldn't be allowed in the WCS NA tourney, and you say they should be because they're awesome and work harder than we do. And this is what I mean by jumping to wild conclusions and putting words in my mouth. No I never said they should be allowed in WCS NA. No I never said they deserve all of the money. No I never said the NA scene should lose money. WCS NA can be region locked with a respectable prize pool. Fine. However with the new system Korea now has less tournaments and less money going around than it did last year. Coupled with the flood of Kespa players raising the bar of competition even higher. Korea is getting screwed here but all of the focus is on NA and the proposed solutions would screw Korea over even more. | ||
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felisconcolori
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On April 26 2013 06:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i now know the meaning of the word "agile". It's a combination software development and marketing/business term. I'm not sure which one they're using here. However, he's right in that Blizzard is not generally considered "agile". But they're improving in that sense, if it only took 10 minutes from MLG contact to PhysicsLee getting banned. Of course, MLG might have just been shown to be less than agile in dealing with things... | ||
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zev318
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On April 26 2013 06:54 felisconcolori wrote: It's a combination software development and marketing/business term. I'm not sure which one they're using here. However, he's right in that Blizzard is not generally considered "agile". But they're improving in that sense, if it only took 10 minutes from MLG contact to PhysicsLee getting banned. you and i both know the only reason that guy got banned so fast is because of the shitstorm he caused by playing in WCS NA. there is tons of hackers on bnet and they takes weeks and months for blizzard to even do anything about. | ||
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On April 26 2013 06:54 felisconcolori wrote: It's a combination software development and marketing/business term. I'm not sure which one they're using here. However, he's right in that Blizzard is not generally considered "agile". But they're improving in that sense, if it only took 10 minutes from MLG contact to PhysicsLee getting banned. Agile is a word in English too. Though it comes directly from french, it is transparent. Synonyms are nimble and lithe. | ||
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Undead1993
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good episode overall tb and dj wheat did their best. thank you JP. | ||
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On April 26 2013 06:57 Finrod1 wrote: i really think that they will do a good job (blizzard). they know they messed some stuff up, they know the problems and when they are willing to come on a show like this they will change it. I just hope there is a foreign pro scene left by the time they fix it  | ||
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Mauldo
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On April 26 2013 06:53 Exarl25 wrote: And this is what I mean by jumping to wild conclusions and putting words in my mouth. No I never said they should be allowed in WCS NA. No I never said they deserve all of the money. No I never said the NA scene should lose money. WCS NA can be region locked with a respectable prize pool. Fine. However with the new system Korea now has less tournaments and less money going around than it did last year. Coupled with the flood of Kespa players raising the bar of competition even higher. Korea is getting screwed here but all of the focus is on NA and the proposed solutions would screw Korea over even more. It's because the NA scene was already bleeding and dying before this, and this "attempt" to save it on behalf of Blizzard was really just a way to attract even more Koreans. You're angry that Korea is fucked hard by WCS KR, thats cool. Everyone acknowledges that. But right now people want to save the NA scene from dying, which it undoubtedly will after no Americans make the Ro16, and best case scenario are relegated to the Challenger league if any league at all. I don't think you'll find a single person who thinks Korea didn't get fucked. But NA has been dying for years, and with stuff such as the Open Bracket being taken away from MLG, IPL dead, and NASL being all but shut out of tourneys NA doesn't have much hope. At least KR still has GSL, Proleague, and GSTL. The Americas only have WCS NA now, and that's going to quickly become WCS East Korea. | ||
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StarGalaxy
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Later TB came back to the most important question about the WCS NA. We didn't get a concrete answer to that. I am not sure if blizzard wasn't expecting so many koreans to play on NA or if they expected that they would move there. I would have been really interested what their thought process was. TB hit the core of it. A couple best of threes doesn't level up the NA scene. Koreans just flying in for the "playoffs" doesn't help anyone. | ||
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felisconcolori
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On April 26 2013 06:58 Otolia wrote: Agile is a word in English too. Though it comes directly from french, it is transparent. Synonyms are nimble and lithe. Yes, I'm aware, I'm a native English speaker. This is how I know that it has several different meanings, depending on the context and environment used. On April 26 2013 06:57 zev318 wrote: you and i both know the only reason that guy got banned so fast is because of the shitstorm he caused by playing in WCS NA. there is tons of hackers on bnet and they takes weeks and months for blizzard to even do anything about. Yes, but they took action quickly once they were pointed in the right direction - you can't expect omniscient action by Blizz helpdesk. What I am concerned more about is why did MLG take so damn long to bring it to their attention and LET HIM KEEP PLAYING in the meantime? | ||
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On April 26 2013 06:54 felisconcolori wrote: However, he's right in that Blizzard is not generally considered "agile". Well traditionally this is because their products are very solid from the get go. He wouldn't have to keep mentioning being agile if they hadn't got so much stuff wrong in the first place. A lot of what he was saying for the future would have been avoided if they had given themselves time to react to community concerns, for example they might have realised a master league cut off was a good idea before the premier qualifiers. | ||
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