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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
April 02 2013 02:14 GMT
#52781
Really great show last week. Dropping knowledge without the drama. Theognis was a great panelist.
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-02 02:41:36
April 02 2013 02:41 GMT
#52782
On March 30 2013 13:42 ROOTheognis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 12:04 robopork wrote:
I really like the idea of corrupters having splash, actually. Maybe retooling corruption to make the corruptor's attack aoe on the effected unit? Something like that combined with a reduction in voidray hp would probably do wonders for pvz without making the voidray a paperweight or devolving pvp back to colossi wars. Either way, they need a nerf.

The widow mine priority seems good. I wonder if it's even intentional that it's the way it is now.

The only thing in the episode I struggled to get my head around was theognis' objection to the mothership core. It's only a soft deflection for any attack after early/midgame and I never find that I can get much scouting done with it.


It allows the protoss to play super greedy early on which will propel them into a significant upgrade advantage later on. It's not that big of a deal if the protoss plays a standard/safe style like in WOL though.

I think Protoss actually NEEDS that ability to be able to keep up with Terran, who can basically double-expand and prevent a Protoss 3rd at 9:30 with how good medivacs are now.

Also, unlike WoL, drops are useful lategame now (so even if you are down an upgrade or two going into the late game you can catch up). It doesn't actually matter if Toss warps in 10 zealots, you just boost to the next base and blow some shit up.
The first rule we don't talk about race conditions. of race conditions is
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-02 03:59:11
April 02 2013 03:57 GMT
#52783
On April 02 2013 11:41 althaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 13:42 ROOTheognis wrote:
On March 30 2013 12:04 robopork wrote:
I really like the idea of corrupters having splash, actually. Maybe retooling corruption to make the corruptor's attack aoe on the effected unit? Something like that combined with a reduction in voidray hp would probably do wonders for pvz without making the voidray a paperweight or devolving pvp back to colossi wars. Either way, they need a nerf.

The widow mine priority seems good. I wonder if it's even intentional that it's the way it is now.

The only thing in the episode I struggled to get my head around was theognis' objection to the mothership core. It's only a soft deflection for any attack after early/midgame and I never find that I can get much scouting done with it.


It allows the protoss to play super greedy early on which will propel them into a significant upgrade advantage later on. It's not that big of a deal if the protoss plays a standard/safe style like in WOL though.

I think Protoss actually NEEDS that ability to be able to keep up with Terran, who can basically double-expand and prevent a Protoss 3rd at 9:30 with how good medivacs are now.

Also, unlike WoL, drops are useful lategame now (so even if you are down an upgrade or two going into the late game you can catch up). It doesn't actually matter if Toss warps in 10 zealots, you just boost to the next base and blow some shit up.

I never said it was OP or unneeded :p
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
April 02 2013 04:32 GMT
#52784
On April 02 2013 12:57 ROOTheognis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 11:41 althaz wrote:
On March 30 2013 13:42 ROOTheognis wrote:
On March 30 2013 12:04 robopork wrote:
I really like the idea of corrupters having splash, actually. Maybe retooling corruption to make the corruptor's attack aoe on the effected unit? Something like that combined with a reduction in voidray hp would probably do wonders for pvz without making the voidray a paperweight or devolving pvp back to colossi wars. Either way, they need a nerf.

The widow mine priority seems good. I wonder if it's even intentional that it's the way it is now.

The only thing in the episode I struggled to get my head around was theognis' objection to the mothership core. It's only a soft deflection for any attack after early/midgame and I never find that I can get much scouting done with it.


It allows the protoss to play super greedy early on which will propel them into a significant upgrade advantage later on. It's not that big of a deal if the protoss plays a standard/safe style like in WOL though.

I think Protoss actually NEEDS that ability to be able to keep up with Terran, who can basically double-expand and prevent a Protoss 3rd at 9:30 with how good medivacs are now.

Also, unlike WoL, drops are useful lategame now (so even if you are down an upgrade or two going into the late game you can catch up). It doesn't actually matter if Toss warps in 10 zealots, you just boost to the next base and blow some shit up.

I never said it was OP or unneeded :p

But (and please correct me if my recollection is faulty) didn't you mention it in the context of a problem (in addition to mentioning it as a possible solution to macro Terrans with speedivacs)? Of course it's too early to say if anything is OP (although this doesn't seem to have detered Zergs from complaining).
The first rule we don't talk about race conditions. of race conditions is
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-02 07:03:58
April 02 2013 06:58 GMT
#52785
On April 02 2013 13:32 althaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 12:57 ROOTheognis wrote:
On April 02 2013 11:41 althaz wrote:
On March 30 2013 13:42 ROOTheognis wrote:
On March 30 2013 12:04 robopork wrote:
I really like the idea of corrupters having splash, actually. Maybe retooling corruption to make the corruptor's attack aoe on the effected unit? Something like that combined with a reduction in voidray hp would probably do wonders for pvz without making the voidray a paperweight or devolving pvp back to colossi wars. Either way, they need a nerf.

The widow mine priority seems good. I wonder if it's even intentional that it's the way it is now.

The only thing in the episode I struggled to get my head around was theognis' objection to the mothership core. It's only a soft deflection for any attack after early/midgame and I never find that I can get much scouting done with it.


It allows the protoss to play super greedy early on which will propel them into a significant upgrade advantage later on. It's not that big of a deal if the protoss plays a standard/safe style like in WOL though.

I think Protoss actually NEEDS that ability to be able to keep up with Terran, who can basically double-expand and prevent a Protoss 3rd at 9:30 with how good medivacs are now.

Also, unlike WoL, drops are useful lategame now (so even if you are down an upgrade or two going into the late game you can catch up). It doesn't actually matter if Toss warps in 10 zealots, you just boost to the next base and blow some shit up.

I never said it was OP or unneeded :p

But (and please correct me if my recollection is faulty) didn't you mention it in the context of a problem (in addition to mentioning it as a possible solution to macro Terrans with speedivacs)? Of course it's too early to say if anything is OP (although this doesn't seem to have detered Zergs from complaining).


Yes I said it was very strong. I mentioned it more as an unsolved problem (didnt state it was OP)and that I'm having a lot of difficulty as I don't know the correct response to it. My winrate isn't very good vs it unless I'm blind countering the style.
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 03 2013 23:52 GMT
#52786
Is there a show tonight? It says so on the first page but it's not on the calendar.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 03 2013 23:54 GMT
#52787
On April 04 2013 08:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Is there a show tonight? It says so on the first page but it's not on the calendar.

its tomorrow.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
April 04 2013 00:01 GMT
#52788
On April 04 2013 08:54 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 08:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Is there a show tonight? It says so on the first page but it's not on the calendar.

its tomorrow.


Tommorow? The OP says it's today right? I'm confused by all the various time zones used on this site all the time :p
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 04 2013 00:13 GMT
#52789
On April 04 2013 09:01 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 08:54 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 04 2013 08:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Is there a show tonight? It says so on the first page but it's not on the calendar.

its tomorrow.


Tommorow? The OP says it's today right? I'm confused by all the various time zones used on this site all the time :p

OP is using U.S. time. EP87 on April 4th 20:00 PDT for my timezone (California, U.S.)
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 04 2013 00:17 GMT
#52790
On April 04 2013 09:13 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 09:01 Qikz wrote:
On April 04 2013 08:54 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 04 2013 08:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Is there a show tonight? It says so on the first page but it's not on the calendar.

its tomorrow.


Tommorow? The OP says it's today right? I'm confused by all the various time zones used on this site all the time :p

OP is using U.S. time. EP87 on April 4th 20:00 PDT for my timezone (California, U.S.)


OP says 04:00 on April 4th for me. Which is in just under 3 hours.
SocialFox
Profile Joined July 2012
Russian Federation16 Posts
April 04 2013 11:02 GMT
#52791
I would really love Artosis comment on SotG on how gomtv treated gsl yearly ticket holders.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
April 04 2013 11:04 GMT
#52792
On April 04 2013 09:17 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 09:13 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 04 2013 09:01 Qikz wrote:
On April 04 2013 08:54 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 04 2013 08:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Is there a show tonight? It says so on the first page but it's not on the calendar.

its tomorrow.


Tommorow? The OP says it's today right? I'm confused by all the various time zones used on this site all the time :p

OP is using U.S. time. EP87 on April 4th 20:00 PDT for my timezone (California, U.S.)


OP says 04:00 on April 4th for me. Which is in just under 3 hours.


Yeah for me in BST the time for the show has been and passed, that's why it's so confusing
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
itmeJP
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1101 Posts
April 05 2013 02:28 GMT
#52793
Look fuck time zones ok? go by the TL calendar ^^
Twitter.com/itmeJP -- Twitch.tv/itmeJP -- YouTube.com/itmeJP
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 02:31:18
April 05 2013 02:30 GMT
#52794
lol

edit: are yuou going to discuss GSL from last night jp? watching vods now....
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3071 Posts
April 05 2013 02:38 GMT
#52795
On April 05 2013 11:30 dAPhREAk wrote:
lol

edit: are yuou going to discuss GSL from last night jp? watching vods now....


obviously...

although the games that i saw were pretty shit
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
April 05 2013 02:55 GMT
#52796
Thognus is entirely right on the Mocore. You can do all sorts of things and be safe because of it's scouting and nexus cannon abilities. It's a big bugger to deal with.

Fortunately a reaper is really good at scouting too so you can often find out what they're doing. Unfortunately the correct response is not always clear.
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
April 05 2013 02:58 GMT
#52797
Aww only CatZ and Artosis? I like a group discussion.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
April 05 2013 03:06 GMT
#52798
Is the whole stream down, or is it just me?
Will always cheer for: MMA Bomber Taeja Curious Life herO Zest
gophario
Profile Joined July 2011
United States169 Posts
April 05 2013 03:07 GMT
#52799
stream is in fact down
DeathProfessor
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1052 Posts
April 05 2013 03:31 GMT
#52800
Its up yo they talking WCS
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