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PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
June 29 2012 01:58 GMT
#47121
On June 29 2012 10:57 Stress wrote:
Oh god, please no color mod. Just looks bad.

It does. As I said in the other thread, if the colors are close in mirror matches, I understand, but other than that it makes my eyes hurt and gives me a headache. Reminds me of low settings in the game, and my eyes can't handle it.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 29 2012 01:58 GMT
#47122
On June 29 2012 10:57 CaptainCharisma wrote:
I think you'll be surprised when Avilo actually makes sense and doesn't live up to the negative stereotype created by Geoff.


Um it's not just Geoff. He really is like that. He has been saying terran has been UP/weak since like early release lol. He was the one who wrote a blog stating terran will NEVER beat zerg in macro games and he seriously believed it.
When I think of something else, something will go here
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 29 2012 01:58 GMT
#47123
On June 29 2012 10:56 yawnoC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:46 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:44 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:41 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:38 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:35 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:33 yawnoC wrote:
couldn't the move out with 5 marines situation qxc is talking about be used to force the zerg to make units they dont want to since they see it and have enough time to react?

They don't want to do it at first but if you kill those 5 marines there goes your pressure for 5+ minutes allowing the zerg to do whatever the fuck.
I am not talking about using the 5 marines. I am talking about feigning pressure.

They have queens bro, they'll make like 6 lings max because queens are just so good. 5 marines isn't very much pressure.
You obviously have no idea what I am saying and didn't understand what qxc said on that show so I am just not going to respond to you.

Wtf are you trying to say? The zerg won't make 30 fucking lings to beat 5 marines. I responded to your point, you're just not smart enough to realize it.
No you are saying those marines will die. I am saying just feign pressure. Move out, not very far, force the units and just move back. You said "herp derp they die" QXC said "as soon as I move out you make more than enough units to stop the pressure before I am there" so I said can you use that knowledge to force the same thing but NOT sacrifice the marines. So no, you didn't respond to my point. You just said "NOPE WONT WORK"

Moving on.

I know they're not dying, jesus. I just said that BECAUSE 5 marines isn't much pressure vs. 4-6 queen builds, zergs won't make many lings/crawlers. Beyond the first reply, I never said anything about the marines dying. Stop being so fucking thick and arrogant.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:04:35
June 29 2012 01:58 GMT
#47124
On June 29 2012 10:56 yawnoC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:46 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:44 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:41 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:38 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:35 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:33 yawnoC wrote:
couldn't the move out with 5 marines situation qxc is talking about be used to force the zerg to make units they dont want to since they see it and have enough time to react?

They don't want to do it at first but if you kill those 5 marines there goes your pressure for 5+ minutes allowing the zerg to do whatever the fuck.
I am not talking about using the 5 marines. I am talking about feigning pressure.

They have queens bro, they'll make like 6 lings max because queens are just so good. 5 marines isn't very much pressure.
You obviously have no idea what I am saying and didn't understand what qxc said on that show so I am just not going to respond to you.

Wtf are you trying to say? The zerg won't make 30 fucking lings to beat 5 marines. I responded to your point, you're just not smart enough to realize it.
No you are saying those marines will die. I am saying just feign pressure. Move out, not very far, force the units and just move back. You said "herp derp they die" QXC said "as soon as I move out you make more than enough units to stop the pressure before I am there" so I said can you use that knowledge to force the same thing but NOT sacrifice the marines. So no, you didn't respond to my point. You just said "NOPE WONT WORK"

Moving on.


Lings are build pretty quickly most of the time its enough to start building them once the Terran is near the tower / edge of the creep . And if you move out this far there's no way to not lose your army anymore unless the Zerg choses to.

Right now my personal opinion is the Mappool is imbalaced for the Queen change. Its too hard for Terran to expand to enough bases finance a even game against Zerg on alot of the Map. The whole army Zerg is pretty fast and mobile so he can allways send out some stuff to kill / harass an expansion and still send his stuff to defend a drop.
acgFork
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 01:21:25
June 29 2012 01:59 GMT
#47125
acgFork 208
SwiftSpear
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada355 Posts
June 29 2012 02:01 GMT
#47126
Itmejp: avilo dm me your skype on twitter
CaptainCharisma
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand808 Posts
June 29 2012 02:01 GMT
#47127
On June 29 2012 10:58 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:57 CaptainCharisma wrote:
I think you'll be surprised when Avilo actually makes sense and doesn't live up to the negative stereotype created by Geoff.


Um it's not just Geoff. He really is like that. He has been saying terran has been UP/weak since like early release lol. He was the one who wrote a blog stating terran will NEVER beat zerg in macro games and he seriously believed it.



Yeah a lot of it is just venting, or he will go over the top for effect. When he actually discusses stuff on stream you can see he can approach the discussion in a more civilized manner when he wants.
EG.DeMuslim --- EG.ThorZain --- TSL.Polt --- LGIMMvp --- Mill.fOrGG --- EG.Stephano --- EGiNcontroL --- EG.IdrA --- MarineKing.Prime --- SlayerS_MMA --- Liquid'Hero
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
June 29 2012 02:01 GMT
#47128
On June 29 2012 10:55 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:53 elmizzt wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:51 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Why not just take a quick Avilo call at the end of the show?

Is this a serious question?

edit: jp..lmao



Why not? Or have you just jumped on the avilo hate train for no good reason.

If you truly mean "for no good reason" you need to educate yourself before posting.
d=(^_^)z
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
June 29 2012 02:01 GMT
#47129
Yeah, I'd like to hear what Avilo has to say. Let the community judge whether he's an idiot.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 29 2012 02:02 GMT
#47130
On June 29 2012 10:57 CaptainCharisma wrote:
I think you'll be surprised when Avilo actually makes sense and doesn't live up to the negative stereotype created by Geoff.


I've heard the man talk and nothing logical comes out of his mouth. His voice cuts through my soul and he should never be on a live show.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
June 29 2012 02:02 GMT
#47131
I tweeted at Avilo telling him to contact them.. hopefully he does
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:03:55
June 29 2012 02:03 GMT
#47132
Very nice SotG discussion. IdrA was definitely right on the metagame of zerg allinning terran greed. I wonder if there is a solid inbetween on the greed that is able to hold those all-ins while still keeping the terran equal. I think a problem with the game sometimes is that people are often too eager to get an advantage through extreme greed, instead of playing on equal terms then winning through being the superior player as the game goes on. This often leads to the very coinflippy nature of some matchups.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
June 29 2012 02:05 GMT
#47133
LOL Greg so wants to be right about MKP.
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yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
June 29 2012 02:06 GMT
#47134
On June 29 2012 10:58 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:56 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:46 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:44 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:41 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:38 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:35 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:33 yawnoC wrote:
couldn't the move out with 5 marines situation qxc is talking about be used to force the zerg to make units they dont want to since they see it and have enough time to react?

They don't want to do it at first but if you kill those 5 marines there goes your pressure for 5+ minutes allowing the zerg to do whatever the fuck.
I am not talking about using the 5 marines. I am talking about feigning pressure.

They have queens bro, they'll make like 6 lings max because queens are just so good. 5 marines isn't very much pressure.
You obviously have no idea what I am saying and didn't understand what qxc said on that show so I am just not going to respond to you.

Wtf are you trying to say? The zerg won't make 30 fucking lings to beat 5 marines. I responded to your point, you're just not smart enough to realize it.
No you are saying those marines will die. I am saying just feign pressure. Move out, not very far, force the units and just move back. You said "herp derp they die" QXC said "as soon as I move out you make more than enough units to stop the pressure before I am there" so I said can you use that knowledge to force the same thing but NOT sacrifice the marines. So no, you didn't respond to my point. You just said "NOPE WONT WORK"

Moving on.

I know they're not dying, jesus. I just said that BECAUSE 5 marines isn't much pressure vs. 4-6 queen builds, zergs won't make many lings/crawlers. Beyond the first reply, I never said anything about the marines dying. Stop being so fucking thick and arrogant.
it isn't? Even though idra said it was ... odd ...
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
CaptainCharisma
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand808 Posts
June 29 2012 02:06 GMT
#47135
On June 29 2012 11:01 elmizzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:55 CaptainCharisma wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:53 elmizzt wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:51 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Why not just take a quick Avilo call at the end of the show?

Is this a serious question?

edit: jp..lmao



Why not? Or have you just jumped on the avilo hate train for no good reason.

If you truly mean "for no good reason" you need to educate yourself before posting.



A powerful retort.....
EG.DeMuslim --- EG.ThorZain --- TSL.Polt --- LGIMMvp --- Mill.fOrGG --- EG.Stephano --- EGiNcontroL --- EG.IdrA --- MarineKing.Prime --- SlayerS_MMA --- Liquid'Hero
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:12:13
June 29 2012 02:07 GMT
#47136
On June 29 2012 11:03 Heavenlee wrote:
Very nice SotG discussion. IdrA was definitely right on the metagame of zerg allinning terran greed. I wonder if there is a solid inbetween on the greed that is able to hold those all-ins while still keeping the terran equal. I think a problem with the game sometimes is that people are often too eager to get an advantage through extreme greed, instead of playing on equal terms then winning through being the superior player as the game goes on. This often leads to the very coinflippy nature of some matchups.



I don't see something in between. You don't play greedy the uphill battle you fight in macro is too big and you can't really deal damage anymore without basically all-inning and crossing fingers if he plays greedy.. ( and playing greedy reactively usually doesn't work because its too late )
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 29 2012 02:07 GMT
#47137
On June 29 2012 11:06 yawnoC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:58 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:56 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:46 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:44 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:41 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:38 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:35 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:33 yawnoC wrote:
couldn't the move out with 5 marines situation qxc is talking about be used to force the zerg to make units they dont want to since they see it and have enough time to react?

They don't want to do it at first but if you kill those 5 marines there goes your pressure for 5+ minutes allowing the zerg to do whatever the fuck.
I am not talking about using the 5 marines. I am talking about feigning pressure.

They have queens bro, they'll make like 6 lings max because queens are just so good. 5 marines isn't very much pressure.
You obviously have no idea what I am saying and didn't understand what qxc said on that show so I am just not going to respond to you.

Wtf are you trying to say? The zerg won't make 30 fucking lings to beat 5 marines. I responded to your point, you're just not smart enough to realize it.
No you are saying those marines will die. I am saying just feign pressure. Move out, not very far, force the units and just move back. You said "herp derp they die" QXC said "as soon as I move out you make more than enough units to stop the pressure before I am there" so I said can you use that knowledge to force the same thing but NOT sacrifice the marines. So no, you didn't respond to my point. You just said "NOPE WONT WORK"

Moving on.

I know they're not dying, jesus. I just said that BECAUSE 5 marines isn't much pressure vs. 4-6 queen builds, zergs won't make many lings/crawlers. Beyond the first reply, I never said anything about the marines dying. Stop being so fucking thick and arrogant.
it isn't? Even though idra said it was ... odd ...

You really think 5 marines can beat 2+ queens and a spine crawler/6 lings?
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
June 29 2012 02:10 GMT
#47138
"squirtle....he's kind of a hot guy right now"
I agree Incontrol!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 29 2012 02:13 GMT
#47139
LOL this is going to be hilarious.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
June 29 2012 02:13 GMT
#47140
Oh my god no
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
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