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yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 01:33:53
June 29 2012 01:33 GMT
#47081
couldn't the move out with 5 marines situation qxc is talking about be used to force the zerg to make units they dont want to since they see it and have enough time to react?
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 29 2012 01:33 GMT
#47082
On June 29 2012 10:31 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:30 IMoperator wrote:
Sure, 3 CC is safe. It's hella safe when the zerg is playing greedy too. But if they're going roach/bane all in then it's really hard to hold with another 400 minerals not into bunkers/wall. And even if the zerg is being greedy, they're going to have 80 drones sick creep spread and hive at 10 minutes. It's not like zerg just loses because the terran has 3 CC's -_-


No but he's saying that roach/bane all in won't be happening anytime soon if zerg is going 6 queen build.

Stephano goes 2 base roach almost every game and can put a ton of pressure on the terran and kill a lot of SCV's and then he just expands behind it.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 29 2012 01:34 GMT
#47083
On June 29 2012 10:33 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:31 blade55555 wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:30 IMoperator wrote:
Sure, 3 CC is safe. It's hella safe when the zerg is playing greedy too. But if they're going roach/bane all in then it's really hard to hold with another 400 minerals not into bunkers/wall. And even if the zerg is being greedy, they're going to have 80 drones sick creep spread and hive at 10 minutes. It's not like zerg just loses because the terran has 3 CC's -_-


No but he's saying that roach/bane all in won't be happening anytime soon if zerg is going 6 queen build.

Stephano goes 2 base roach almost every game and can put a ton of pressure on the terran and kill a lot of SCV's and then he just expands behind it.


Yes he does, that proves my point though. That is when he is not doing the 6 queen build. That's an aggressive approach and you can't go 6 queens into roach/bane all in. I know stephano does that, but again not the 6 queen build which is what terrans say is so strong.
When I think of something else, something will go here
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 29 2012 01:35 GMT
#47084
On June 29 2012 10:33 yawnoC wrote:
couldn't the move out with 5 marines situation qxc is talking about be used to force the zerg to make units they dont want to since they see it and have enough time to react?

They don't want to do it at first but if you kill those 5 marines there goes your pressure for 5+ minutes allowing the zerg to do whatever the fuck.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
June 29 2012 01:36 GMT
#47085
Don't get why Idra wants Terran to turtle up for the late game when Zerg's late game is even more brutal than its midgame.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
June 29 2012 01:36 GMT
#47086
TvZ conclusion : Blizzard succed in making the match up boring because the main attacking race of the game can't attack.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 29 2012 01:38 GMT
#47087
On June 29 2012 10:34 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:33 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:31 blade55555 wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:30 IMoperator wrote:
Sure, 3 CC is safe. It's hella safe when the zerg is playing greedy too. But if they're going roach/bane all in then it's really hard to hold with another 400 minerals not into bunkers/wall. And even if the zerg is being greedy, they're going to have 80 drones sick creep spread and hive at 10 minutes. It's not like zerg just loses because the terran has 3 CC's -_-


No but he's saying that roach/bane all in won't be happening anytime soon if zerg is going 6 queen build.

Stephano goes 2 base roach almost every game and can put a ton of pressure on the terran and kill a lot of SCV's and then he just expands behind it.


Yes he does, that proves my point though. That is when he is not doing the 6 queen build. That's an aggressive approach and you can't go 6 queens into roach/bane all in. I know stephano does that, but again not the 6 queen build which is what terrans say is so strong.

Ok but won't the zerg scout with OL's and see if the terran is going super heavy defense and then not attack and just take a third base? And then all those bunkers/depots etc. would be wasted money. It's not like you have to do a roach bane all in every game if you open gas. If he scouts 3 CC, go all in. If he scouts you 2 basing, take a 3rd base and defend it.
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
June 29 2012 01:38 GMT
#47088
On June 29 2012 10:35 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:33 yawnoC wrote:
couldn't the move out with 5 marines situation qxc is talking about be used to force the zerg to make units they dont want to since they see it and have enough time to react?

They don't want to do it at first but if you kill those 5 marines there goes your pressure for 5+ minutes allowing the zerg to do whatever the fuck.
I am not talking about using the 5 marines. I am talking about feigning pressure.
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
June 29 2012 01:40 GMT
#47089
On June 29 2012 10:36 pdd wrote:
Don't get why Idra wants Terran to turtle up for the late game when Zerg's late game is even more brutal than its midgame.

It's all part of his plan...to win.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
June 29 2012 01:40 GMT
#47090
Terrans are doing okay in GSL and GSTL? Until this week's Code A they were getting owned lately.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Tantaburs
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1825 Posts
June 29 2012 01:41 GMT
#47091
terran has a 23% win rate in TvZ in GSTL this season. That is not doing okay
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.." ~Nick "Confucius" Plott
Ghostpvp
Profile Joined October 2010
United States462 Posts
June 29 2012 01:41 GMT
#47092
According to Idra: Turtle and macro, NR20.
Move Zig
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 29 2012 01:41 GMT
#47093
On June 29 2012 10:38 yawnoC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:35 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:33 yawnoC wrote:
couldn't the move out with 5 marines situation qxc is talking about be used to force the zerg to make units they dont want to since they see it and have enough time to react?

They don't want to do it at first but if you kill those 5 marines there goes your pressure for 5+ minutes allowing the zerg to do whatever the fuck.
I am not talking about using the 5 marines. I am talking about feigning pressure.

They have queens bro, they'll make like 6 lings max because queens are just so good. 5 marines isn't very much pressure.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 01:42:32
June 29 2012 01:41 GMT
#47094
On June 29 2012 10:41 Tantaburs wrote:
terran has a 23% win rate in TvZ in GSTL this season. That is not doing okay


Nah but the past week they are starting to do better then they were even 2 weeks ago. A lot more terrans won tvz this week (and no matter how many terrans say zerg just sucked which is a typical response lol) then the past couple weeks.

On June 29 2012 10:41 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:38 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:35 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:33 yawnoC wrote:
couldn't the move out with 5 marines situation qxc is talking about be used to force the zerg to make units they dont want to since they see it and have enough time to react?

They don't want to do it at first but if you kill those 5 marines there goes your pressure for 5+ minutes allowing the zerg to do whatever the fuck.
I am not talking about using the 5 marines. I am talking about feigning pressure.

They have queens bro, they'll make like 6 lings max because queens are just so good. 5 marines isn't very much pressure.


Doesn't matter forcing 6 lings is still nice lol that's 3 less drones early game.
When I think of something else, something will go here
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 01:44:15
June 29 2012 01:42 GMT
#47095
lmao check terran win rate in GSTL. TvZ winrate in korea for may. also terrans have the highest representation out of 3 races for pro teams in korea so they are expected to have the highest representation in GSL given perfect balance between the 3 races.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
June 29 2012 01:43 GMT
#47096
Terrans are not doing ok in the GSTL by any stretch of the imagination Incontrol, and they are doing okay-ish in the GSL for a reason that has been repeated time and time again: GSL is about preparation, mindgames, learning about specific patterns of your opponents and abusing them, this has a great impact on the games which is a good thing, means that the game is not completely unsavable in the current meta.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
June 29 2012 01:44 GMT
#47097
On June 29 2012 10:41 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:38 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:35 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:33 yawnoC wrote:
couldn't the move out with 5 marines situation qxc is talking about be used to force the zerg to make units they dont want to since they see it and have enough time to react?

They don't want to do it at first but if you kill those 5 marines there goes your pressure for 5+ minutes allowing the zerg to do whatever the fuck.
I am not talking about using the 5 marines. I am talking about feigning pressure.

They have queens bro, they'll make like 6 lings max because queens are just so good. 5 marines isn't very much pressure.
You obviously have no idea what I am saying and didn't understand what qxc said on that show so I am just not going to respond to you.
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 01:49:12
June 29 2012 01:46 GMT
#47098
"Terran do well in GSTL"

Race Stats (non-mirrors):
TvZ: 4-13 (23.5%) [ Games ]
ZvP: 17-14 (54.8%) [ Games ]
PvT: 9-6 (60%) [ Games ]

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/leagues/2867_2012_Global_StarCraft_2_Team_League_Season_2

If you look at the TvZ game list and see which zerg beat which terran, this is even more depressing.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 29 2012 01:46 GMT
#47099
On June 29 2012 10:44 yawnoC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:41 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:38 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:35 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:33 yawnoC wrote:
couldn't the move out with 5 marines situation qxc is talking about be used to force the zerg to make units they dont want to since they see it and have enough time to react?

They don't want to do it at first but if you kill those 5 marines there goes your pressure for 5+ minutes allowing the zerg to do whatever the fuck.
I am not talking about using the 5 marines. I am talking about feigning pressure.

They have queens bro, they'll make like 6 lings max because queens are just so good. 5 marines isn't very much pressure.
You obviously have no idea what I am saying and didn't understand what qxc said on that show so I am just not going to respond to you.

Wtf are you trying to say? The zerg won't make 30 fucking lings to beat 5 marines. I responded to your point, you're just not smart enough to realize it.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 29 2012 01:47 GMT
#47100
On June 29 2012 10:41 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:41 Tantaburs wrote:
terran has a 23% win rate in TvZ in GSTL this season. That is not doing okay


Nah but the past week they are starting to do better then they were even 2 weeks ago. A lot more terrans won tvz this week (and no matter how many terrans say zerg just sucked which is a typical response lol) then the past couple weeks.

Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 10:41 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:38 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:35 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:33 yawnoC wrote:
couldn't the move out with 5 marines situation qxc is talking about be used to force the zerg to make units they dont want to since they see it and have enough time to react?

They don't want to do it at first but if you kill those 5 marines there goes your pressure for 5+ minutes allowing the zerg to do whatever the fuck.
I am not talking about using the 5 marines. I am talking about feigning pressure.

They have queens bro, they'll make like 6 lings max because queens are just so good. 5 marines isn't very much pressure.


Doesn't matter forcing 6 lings is still nice lol that's 3 less drones early game.

Or they could just make 1 spine crawler...
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