EPTIf IdrA still claims that zerg is underpowered I might blow a fuse.
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
If IdrA still claims that zerg is underpowered I might blow a fuse. | ||
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AC3
Canada337 Posts
Keep it up with the great shows JP, you do a lot for the community and its definitely appreciated  | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
Calling it now, idra/qxc have a talk about mech being the future of TvZ | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On June 29 2012 05:12 chipmonklord17 wrote: Calling it now, idra/qxc have a talk about mech being the future of TvZ Well I mean...it's guaranteed that they'll talk about it, right? Or are you saying that they will agree that mech is the most viable composition? | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On June 29 2012 05:17 The KY wrote: Well I mean...it's guaranteed that they'll talk about it, right? Or are you saying that they will agree that mech is the most viable composition? They will agree on it, as it is actually the future of TvZ (artosis will also have one of those "I told you so" moments) | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On June 29 2012 05:21 chipmonklord17 wrote: They will agree on it, as it is actually the future of TvZ (artosis will also have one of those "I told you so" moments) I disagree. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
As a zerg player I often don't find an answer for a thor heavy tank light mech. As long as the terran keeps up on upgrades. 0/0 thors vs 3/3 roaches obviously goes well for the zerg but that isn't exactly mechs fault. Sure the obvious downside is that the zerg will just expand everywhere, but what good is 5 bases away from the mech player if they've taken down your main/nat/3rd? It at least seems better than the current reactor hellion --> bio solution thats still being forced today | ||
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eourcs
United States459 Posts
On June 29 2012 05:32 chipmonklord17 wrote: As a zerg player I often don't find an answer for a thor heavy tank light mech. As long as the terran keeps up on upgrades. 0/0 thors vs 3/3 roaches obviously goes well for the zerg but that isn't exactly mechs fault. Sure the obvious downside is that the zerg will just expand everywhere, but what good is 5 bases away from the mech player if they've taken down your main/nat/3rd? It at least seems better than the current reactor hellion --> bio solution thats still being forced today Go watch Cytoplasm vs Puma on Cloud kingdom (from Dreamhack I think). Puma kills 35 workers with hellions runbys, and transitions in double armory thor mech. Cytoplasm does one random roach/infestor push (with inferior upgrades) against Pumas 2/2 army, and rolls Puma with neural parasite. You need tank with mech, but tanks have their own large disadvantages. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On June 29 2012 05:32 chipmonklord17 wrote: As a zerg player I often don't find an answer for a thor heavy tank light mech. As long as the terran keeps up on upgrades. 0/0 thors vs 3/3 roaches obviously goes well for the zerg but that isn't exactly mechs fault. Sure the obvious downside is that the zerg will just expand everywhere, but what good is 5 bases away from the mech player if they've taken down your main/nat/3rd? It at least seems better than the current reactor hellion --> bio solution thats still being forced today I don't think there's any problem with what terrans do currently. I think mech has it's place but will never be the go to composition for TvZ. If it was like vastly superior to every zerg comp in a straight up fight with the disadvantage of being slow; sure it could work. But it isn't vastly superior to every zerg comp in a straight up fight. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On June 29 2012 05:45 The KY wrote: I don't think there's any problem with what terrans do currently. I think mech has it's place but will never be the go to composition for TvZ. If it was like vastly superior to every zerg comp in a straight up fight with the disadvantage of being slow; sure it could work. But it isn't vastly superior to every zerg comp in a straight up fight. I would say in theory there shouldn't be a problem with what terrans are doing currently, but the winrates and general terran whining would suggest differently. EDIT: I suppose I'll go a little more in detail. It seems terran players are afraid to send hellions in at smart times, instead of what usually seems like random times to jam hellions down the throat of zerg players. Queens are not some immortal (no pun intended) being that can murder mass numbers of hellions from anywhere on the map. If queens are off spreading creep they aren't at the natural/main protecting the drone line. I think idra also made the same point last SotG, hellions are still effective, if the player is being smart about it, which is a change to the early terran days | ||
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IMoperator
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On June 29 2012 05:55 chipmonklord17 wrote: I would say in theory there shouldn't be a problem with what terrans are doing currently, but the winrates and general terran whining would suggest differently. EDIT: I suppose I'll go a little more in detail. It seems terran players are afraid to send hellions in at smart times, instead of what usually seems like random times to jam hellions down the throat of zerg players. Queens are not some immortal (no pun intended) being that can murder mass numbers of hellions from anywhere on the map. If queens are off spreading creep they aren't at the natural/main protecting the drone line. I think idra also made the same point last SotG, hellions are still effective, if the player is being smart about it, which is a change to the early terran days I'm really not seeing a problem with terran winrates. Whining can and should be completely dismissed at all times. | ||
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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
But this obviously on a much lower level. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
The sheer insanity that would erupt would give me a hardon that would last for days. I'm praying for this. | ||
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RedMage
United States52 Posts
On June 29 2012 05:21 chipmonklord17 wrote: They will agree on it, as it is actually the future of TvZ (artosis will also have one of those "I told you so" moments) It's not because mech is upgrade-dependent and overseers are cheap and can deny upgrades for forever. This sounds silly but it's something that we've seen zergs do occasionally but never really design a strategy around. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On June 29 2012 07:06 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I hope, with every fiber of my being, that QXC's only thoughts on balance is that TvZ is evolving and should be perfectly fine. The sheer insanity that would erupt would give me a hardon that would last for days. I'm praying for this. Here's how it's going to work, if QXC says TvZ is imba whining terrans will hold it as ultimate irrefutable proof that TvZ is imba, if he says anything else they will say he's a bad American terran who's opinion should not matter. | ||
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PardonYou
United States1360 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On June 29 2012 07:06 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I hope, with every fiber of my being, that QXC's only thoughts on balance is that TvZ is evolving and should be perfectly fine. The sheer insanity that would erupt would give me a hardon that would last for days. I'm praying for this. that would be hilarious <3 | ||
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farvacola
United States18870 Posts
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PardonYou
United States1360 Posts
On June 29 2012 08:26 farvacola wrote: Talk about universal healthcare! PLEASE! I want to hear some Sc2 personality opinions on the matter. Because this is the State of the United States of America's Healthcare Problems. Can't wait to watch SotUSoAHP. O.o | ||
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