• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:23
CEST 06:23
KST 13:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!18Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)87Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!18
StarCraft 2
General
How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters [D] Wireframe Casting Removed
Tourneys
INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Animated Gateway HORROR STARCRAFT MOVIE How Famous was FlaSh before his Debut?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs Fighting Spirit mining rates Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Diablo IV ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Role of Gaming on Mental Hea…
TrAiDoS
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3520 users

Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2359

Forum Index > SC2 General
54608 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2357 2358 2359 2360 2361 2731 Next
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
June 29 2012 02:16 GMT
#47161
lol that picture is pretty cute hahah
d=(^_^)z
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
June 29 2012 02:16 GMT
#47162
That frowning face box is the box that had the Lindt chocolate that his fanclub sent him. I'm pretty sure!
TheGrimace
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States929 Posts
June 29 2012 02:16 GMT
#47163
What the fuck. Really? Why?
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
June 29 2012 02:16 GMT
#47164
i hate when geoff goes into bully-mode
n.Die_Jaedong
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
June 29 2012 02:17 GMT
#47165
On June 29 2012 11:07 IMoperator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:06 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:58 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:56 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:46 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:44 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:41 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:38 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:35 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:33 yawnoC wrote:
couldn't the move out with 5 marines situation qxc is talking about be used to force the zerg to make units they dont want to since they see it and have enough time to react?

They don't want to do it at first but if you kill those 5 marines there goes your pressure for 5+ minutes allowing the zerg to do whatever the fuck.
I am not talking about using the 5 marines. I am talking about feigning pressure.

They have queens bro, they'll make like 6 lings max because queens are just so good. 5 marines isn't very much pressure.
You obviously have no idea what I am saying and didn't understand what qxc said on that show so I am just not going to respond to you.

Wtf are you trying to say? The zerg won't make 30 fucking lings to beat 5 marines. I responded to your point, you're just not smart enough to realize it.
No you are saying those marines will die. I am saying just feign pressure. Move out, not very far, force the units and just move back. You said "herp derp they die" QXC said "as soon as I move out you make more than enough units to stop the pressure before I am there" so I said can you use that knowledge to force the same thing but NOT sacrifice the marines. So no, you didn't respond to my point. You just said "NOPE WONT WORK"

Moving on.

I know they're not dying, jesus. I just said that BECAUSE 5 marines isn't much pressure vs. 4-6 queen builds, zergs won't make many lings/crawlers. Beyond the first reply, I never said anything about the marines dying. Stop being so fucking thick and arrogant.
it isn't? Even though idra said it was ... odd ...

You really think 5 marines can beat 2+ queens and a spine crawler/6 lings?
Why would they have a spine and 6 lings? Forget it you weren't listening to STOG.
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 29 2012 02:17 GMT
#47166
Wow the SotG guys hyped this up to be some form of some illogical mess. This is really dissappointing. The pillars are just shitting on Avilo for no reason
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
June 29 2012 02:18 GMT
#47167
Sure Idra, you can be agressive with 3ccs, sure brah.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
imMUTAble787
Profile Joined November 2011
United States680 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:19:23
June 29 2012 02:18 GMT
#47168
geoff and idra coming across as major assholes for trying to bully this guy

idras counter arguements are becoming weaker and weaker -_-
*eternalenvy fanboy*
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-29 02:22:09
June 29 2012 02:18 GMT
#47169
On June 29 2012 11:15 Heavenlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:07 s3rp wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:03 Heavenlee wrote:
Very nice SotG discussion. IdrA was definitely right on the metagame of zerg allinning terran greed. I wonder if there is a solid inbetween on the greed that is able to hold those all-ins while still keeping the terran equal. I think a problem with the game sometimes is that people are often too eager to get an advantage through extreme greed, instead of playing on equal terms then winning through being the superior player as the game goes on. This often leads to the very coinflippy nature of some matchups.



I don't see something in between. You don't play greedy the uphill battle you fight in macro is too big and you can't really deal damage anymore without basically all-inning and crossing fingers if he plays greedy.. ( and playing greedy reactively usually doesn't work because its too late )


IdrA's argument disagrees, he seems to think that it is possible to macro on an equal level if there are some metagame changes i.e. turtling instead of pushing onto creep. DeMuslim v. Ret seemed a fairly solid example of this but that's not the super super high level. Really impossible for anyone to say right now IMO, the metagame hasn't really settled down yet and that's what I'm interested to see. Is it really that much of an insurmountable uphill battle, or is it often that the zerg is just the overall better macroer/has a current better understanding of the matchup at the moment?


I don't know turteling is very map dependent. If you can't really expand to more than 3 bases that well because of creep / expansion location then turteling is a bad idea. Alot of the current Maps where the expansions are so freaking far away would need to be eliminated to really establish something like this.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
June 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#47170
holy shit that scared me
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#47171
WTF was that sound
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#47172
On June 29 2012 11:17 yawnoC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 11:07 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 11:06 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:58 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:56 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:46 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:44 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:41 IMoperator wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:38 yawnoC wrote:
On June 29 2012 10:35 IMoperator wrote:
[quote]
They don't want to do it at first but if you kill those 5 marines there goes your pressure for 5+ minutes allowing the zerg to do whatever the fuck.
I am not talking about using the 5 marines. I am talking about feigning pressure.

They have queens bro, they'll make like 6 lings max because queens are just so good. 5 marines isn't very much pressure.
You obviously have no idea what I am saying and didn't understand what qxc said on that show so I am just not going to respond to you.

Wtf are you trying to say? The zerg won't make 30 fucking lings to beat 5 marines. I responded to your point, you're just not smart enough to realize it.
No you are saying those marines will die. I am saying just feign pressure. Move out, not very far, force the units and just move back. You said "herp derp they die" QXC said "as soon as I move out you make more than enough units to stop the pressure before I am there" so I said can you use that knowledge to force the same thing but NOT sacrifice the marines. So no, you didn't respond to my point. You just said "NOPE WONT WORK"

Moving on.

I know they're not dying, jesus. I just said that BECAUSE 5 marines isn't much pressure vs. 4-6 queen builds, zergs won't make many lings/crawlers. Beyond the first reply, I never said anything about the marines dying. Stop being so fucking thick and arrogant.
it isn't? Even though idra said it was ... odd ...

You really think 5 marines can beat 2+ queens and a spine crawler/6 lings?
Why would they have a spine and 6 lings? Forget it you weren't listening to STOG.

I meant the "/" as a spine OR 6 lings...
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#47173
Hahahahahaha JP got got the same way Wheat did!
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
June 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#47174
Did JP just pull a djWHEAT?!
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Rantech
Profile Joined April 2010
Chile527 Posts
June 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#47175
Lol jp got trolled hahahhaa
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#47176
Lol!! JP also fell for the screamer! Hahahaha
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
June 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#47177
Post Traumatic Screamer Disorder.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#47178
The economic 2rax terran was Gumiho
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#47179
On June 29 2012 11:18 imMUTAble787 wrote:
geoff and idra coming across as major assholes for trying to bully this guy


You obviously have no idea who avilo is. If you did you would understand why they dislike him and a lot of the community dislikes him in general.
When I think of something else, something will go here
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 29 2012 02:19 GMT
#47180
On June 29 2012 11:18 imMUTAble787 wrote:
geoff and idra coming across as major assholes for trying to bully this guy

idras counter arguements are becoming weaker and weaker -_-

how are they bullying him?
Prev 1 2357 2358 2359 2360 2361 2731 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #20
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 183
Nina 58
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 3674
Shuttle 414
Dewaltoss 86
Leta 69
Aegong 67
Bale 32
ZergMaN 29
Icarus 6
Counter-Strike
summit1g9080
minikerr37
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1109
Other Games
Coldzera 827
JimRising 675
WinterStarcraft564
PiGStarcraft384
Nathanias198
ViBE162
Maynarde135
NeuroSwarm103
Trikslyr24
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1366
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 44
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH118
• practicex 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1042
• Stunt204
Upcoming Events
CrankTV Team League
6h 38m
Replay Cast
19h 38m
CrankTV Team League
1d 6h
Big Brain Bouts
1d 11h
Soulspirit vs goblin
TriGGeR vs Bunny
Korean StarCraft League
1d 22h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 23h
RSL Revival
2 days
Serral vs SHIN
herO vs Solar
Online Event
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Clem vs ByuN
Rogue vs Lambo
[ Show More ]
OSC
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
INu's Battles
5 days
Cure vs herO
ByuN vs Rogue
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Patches Events
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-22
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E3

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.