On May 28 2012 18:29 Duravi wrote: [quote] I agree that saying day9 should leave the scene is stupid, but I am getting tired of all the white knighting for him. My opinions of how his casting and show have gone downhill over the past year are just that, opinions, but this Last Shadow debacle really tarnished day. On SotG (or was it Lo3) he didn't even acknowledge that LS had past issues (hell the guy even got kicked out of the GOM house), and basically dodged everything he was asked by diverting into some narcissistic monologue following every question. I hope someone can bring Day back down to earth, how he portrays himself has changed drastically in the past 1 to 1 1/2 years.
And you continue with making the thread even more retarded by fabricating stories. On Lo3 Sean said he does not know anything about any BM issues, he did not deny that there are. And what questions did he dodge by narcissistic monologue ? You mean the non-sensical 2GD's remark they were discussing ?
Btw. the GOM house controversy is as far as I know bunch of untrustworthy people claiming different things.
oh come on. The guy was a known hacker/bm'er in BW. As if you can pretend Day9 had never heard of this.
I am not a mind reader, unlike you. I am rather sure he knew about BW hacking, but he did not comment on past hacking, so no problem there. And why would he know about the BM issues. Some people could care less about all the drama on the forums. People who love the drama have really skewed idea about how much the rest knows about player's behaviour and out of game history in general. I knew he hacked in BW, but I knew nothing about him being BM before this whole nonsense started.
He hasn't said anything that would indicate he can read minds. He said Day9 has to know about the things LS did in BW, considering the big American BW pros knew about him.
Look also what he was responding to. We were talking about Day9 supposedly not acknowledging LS issues on Lo3. On Lo3 Slasher brings recent LastShadow's BM. Then this guy comes bringing cheating in BW and other old stuff. What does it has to do with what was being discussed on Lo3 ?
His behavior prior to the battleground invite has to be taken into account, you can't just ignore it. The fact that it happened in BW doesn't make it less relevant.
But that has nothing to do with what Duravi was claiming and I objected to.
Because my comment wasn't directed towards that response, but to the your response to Aeroplaneoverthesea.
Do you even know what context means ? His response was towards the discussion between me and Duravi. I agreed that Day9 probably knew about the BW issues. But it had nothing to do with what was being discussed and I pointed that out and reiterated to him what I said to Duravi.
I might come back to respond when I'm done banging my head on the concrete outside because of how stupid this is.
On May 29 2012 01:51 Apollo_Shards wrote: Lastly, a question I got a lot over twitter was will we be seeing you compete in more Korean tournaments such as the Korean Weekly, and although you've said you have no desire to return to the US full time, do you see yourself competing at any foreign events in 2012?
LastShadow: I don't see myself competing in any foreign Tournaments. It's not wise for sponsors to send players toe events they can't guarantee at least a top 4 finish over 90% of the time with certainty, that's a waste of money and if a team/sponsor was supporting me I wouldn't want to waste their money when people like MVP, Nestea, MMA, etc exist and go to events. Additionally one might argue that I could try for the Code A seed through MLG. That's so morally fucked up I can't even imagine why someone would aim to knowingly steal a seed from a Korean that probably deserves it more than you. If I deserve Code A, I will win through the qualifiers, I shouldn't obtain it through silly invites or online tournaments, that's dishonourable and pathetic compared to what the ancestor game bw set as a standard for us. I'll play in show matches if requested/I get invited to, but that's about the extent of it. If I do happen to join a team that is in GSTL or KSL or whatever, then I will play there too.
^ This seems pretty relevant to the discussion that is going on atm.
lol ya lastshadow is two faced
he also said he didn't care about other tournaments only the GSL is important, thats why he doesn't have any results.
Then goes and attends this lan and bombs out hahahaha
On May 29 2012 01:51 Apollo_Shards wrote: Lastly, a question I got a lot over twitter was will we be seeing you compete in more Korean tournaments such as the Korean Weekly, and although you've said you have no desire to return to the US full time, do you see yourself competing at any foreign events in 2012?
LastShadow: I don't see myself competing in any foreign Tournaments. It's not wise for sponsors to send players toe events they can't guarantee at least a top 4 finish over 90% of the time with certainty, that's a waste of money and if a team/sponsor was supporting me I wouldn't want to waste their money when people like MVP, Nestea, MMA, etc exist and go to events. Additionally one might argue that I could try for the Code A seed through MLG. That's so morally fucked up I can't even imagine why someone would aim to knowingly steal a seed from a Korean that probably deserves it more than you. If I deserve Code A, I will win through the qualifiers, I shouldn't obtain it through silly invites or online tournaments, that's dishonourable and pathetic compared to what the ancestor game bw set as a standard for us. I'll play in show matches if requested/I get invited to, but that's about the extent of it. If I do happen to join a team that is in GSTL or KSL or whatever, then I will play there too.
^ This seems pretty relevant to the discussion that is going on atm.
lol ya lastshadow is two faced
he also said he didn't care about other tournaments only the GSL is important, thats why he doesn't have any results.
Then goes and attends this lan and bombs out hahahaha
Don't forget, he still got $500 even for bombing out.
On May 29 2012 01:51 Apollo_Shards wrote: Lastly, a question I got a lot over twitter was will we be seeing you compete in more Korean tournaments such as the Korean Weekly, and although you've said you have no desire to return to the US full time, do you see yourself competing at any foreign events in 2012?
LastShadow: I don't see myself competing in any foreign Tournaments. It's not wise for sponsors to send players toe events they can't guarantee at least a top 4 finish over 90% of the time with certainty, that's a waste of money and if a team/sponsor was supporting me I wouldn't want to waste their money when people like MVP, Nestea, MMA, etc exist and go to events. Additionally one might argue that I could try for the Code A seed through MLG. That's so morally fucked up I can't even imagine why someone would aim to knowingly steal a seed from a Korean that probably deserves it more than you. If I deserve Code A, I will win through the qualifiers, I shouldn't obtain it through silly invites or online tournaments, that's dishonourable and pathetic compared to what the ancestor game bw set as a standard for us. I'll play in show matches if requested/I get invited to, but that's about the extent of it. If I do happen to join a team that is in GSTL or KSL or whatever, then I will play there too.
^ This seems pretty relevant to the discussion that is going on atm.
lol ya lastshadow is two faced
he also said he didn't care about other tournaments only the GSL is important, thats why he doesn't have any results.
Then goes and attends this lan and bombs out hahahaha
as someone who's in therapy and dealing with similar issues myself, he sounds like he has a ton of self-sabotage issues. Insisting on GSL as the only real avenue for success is setting himself up for failure.
On May 29 2012 01:51 Apollo_Shards wrote: Lastly, a question I got a lot over twitter was will we be seeing you compete in more Korean tournaments such as the Korean Weekly, and although you've said you have no desire to return to the US full time, do you see yourself competing at any foreign events in 2012?
LastShadow: I don't see myself competing in any foreign Tournaments. It's not wise for sponsors to send players toe events they can't guarantee at least a top 4 finish over 90% of the time with certainty, that's a waste of money and if a team/sponsor was supporting me I wouldn't want to waste their money when people like MVP, Nestea, MMA, etc exist and go to events. Additionally one might argue that I could try for the Code A seed through MLG. That's so morally fucked up I can't even imagine why someone would aim to knowingly steal a seed from a Korean that probably deserves it more than you. If I deserve Code A, I will win through the qualifiers, I shouldn't obtain it through silly invites or online tournaments, that's dishonourable and pathetic compared to what the ancestor game bw set as a standard for us. I'll play in show matches if requested/I get invited to, but that's about the extent of it. If I do happen to join a team that is in GSTL or KSL or whatever, then I will play there too.
^ This seems pretty relevant to the discussion that is going on atm.
lol ya lastshadow is two faced
he also said he didn't care about other tournaments only the GSL is important, thats why he doesn't have any results.
Then goes and attends this lan and bombs out hahahaha
as someone who's in therapy and dealing with similar issues myself, he sounds like he has a ton of self-sabotage issues. Insisting on GSL as the only real avenue for success is setting himself up for failure.
For those who keep arguing and have not seen this video, please educate yourselves.
Thanks for linking this, I'd heard plenty of comments about the whole Day9 and 2GD thing, but hadn't heard day9's response.
I applaud how calmly and politely Day9 answered the entire thing. He's been playing Starcraft for 14 years. Can you imagine how enraging and antagonising it must be to hear comments that he's only in it for the money and his interest isn't genuine anymore? I would have freaked out in his position, so I do admire how he answered.
This reminds me of the idiots who started the 'Tasteless lost his passion' thing a while back!
On May 28 2012 17:23 farnham wrote: day9 needs to apologize to the scene or leave the scene after this debacle with last shadow
he got in a player that has no (positive record) and let him into poolplay with players like parting or squirtle
last shadow lost every match he played and left the tournament in a bm manner because he didnt "feel well".
did mvp feel well with his injured wrist when he won gsl against squirtle last week? probably not.
day 9 got in a player that doesnt fit the criteria of "one of the best players in the world" and he needs to feel responsible for this . the last time an invite like this was done was probably lucifron in dreamhack valencia but that was to appeal to the local crowd. this time there is no real reason outside that lastshadow seems to be a friend of day 9
Day9 doesn't "need" to do anything. Acquire a grasp on reality, please. It's just a game and LS playing and failing isn't important enough to demand anybody's head on the block.
Sheth, Ostojiy, Thorzain or Illusion didn't exactly have extremely impressive runs either (perfectly understandable results given the level of competition), but no one is getting upset about this - but that's because we've collectively decided to like Sheth or whatever. I had my fair share of schadenfreude when LS went 0-3 as well, because that's just human nature, but this LS/Day9 nepotism witchhunt that Incontrol is partially responsible for just shows how dumb and single minded this community is. Get over it.
Being OK with Sheth, Ostojiy, Thorzain or Illusion might have more to do with the fact that they're actually known players who have at least had some success. It makes sense if you want to have foreigners (and assuming you don't get whoever you want) to go with them.
LastShadow hasn't done anything impressive ever and hadn't even been seen for about a year. Vastly different.
2011 Date Event Result 2011-06-17 Toronto Quest for the Best Ostojiy 3 : 1 IefNaij 2011-06-12 US Go4SC2 Cup #64 Ostojiy 2 : 1 daisuki 2011-05-15 US Go4SC2 Cup #56 Ostojiy 3 : 0 LuckyFool 2011-04-30 US CraftCup #31 Ostojiy 1 : 3 SungpA
yes, and..? He still went unceremoniously 0-3 in his group. The issue isn't that Ostojiy doesn't have merit - he does. It's that people claim LS has none, when in terms of meaningful tournament placements, they're pretty much equal
some notable results from Ostojiy in 2012: 2-1 vs Golden(MLG) 2-1 vs PuMa(MLG) 2-1 vs MorroW(MLG) 2-1 vs KiWiKaKi(MLG) 2-1 vs Naama(MLG) 2-0 vs HayprO (MLG) 2-1 vs Moon(EGMC)
at least Ostojiy deserved this invite with his results in 2012.
and results from lastshadow? your turn.
I agree with you.
Plus Ostojiy was extremely close to qualifying for MLG Spring Arena 2. He was one map away from qualifying and was narrowly defeated by Violet (who ended up winning the entire thing) and Ostojiy then ended up behind Huk on the standby list. Huk was called up to attend as first standby. Ostojiy was next in line.
Ostojiy has been putting up some quality results recently. He is a North American Ladder beast - currently 4th in NA GM. He is also a University Student and so can only play part-time.
LastShadow has not done anything at all in 2012. He said he was injured and sick and that's tough luck for him but you cannot compare his record with Ostojiy's for this year. Ostojiy has certainly been making a splash in 2012 - LastShadow has not.
Thanks! I was actually one round away from qualifying for Arena 6 times, so as we also saw in this tournament I have problems closing when it matters. Hopefully I will get more opportunities to improve myself like this, despite putting up poor results I plan on learning from my mistakes and become a stronger mental competitor as I feel that is my largest challenge right now.
Don't thank me! I was just pointing out your impressive achievements this year and giving you the credit you deserve.
I should be thanking you for such entertaining games. That first game against Bomber was amazing! I think you should be extremely encouraged about what you have done so far. I remember when Stephano was still a student and he lost to Sen who was off-racing as a Terran! And now look at him! Stephano is famous for being unfazed during big LANS, maybe ask him for some mental tips? I am sure he will be happy to help a fellow Zerg!
Both yourself and Illusion have impressed me this year, and it is something the NA scene needs - more up and coming local heroes. It must be really hard to combine University plus SC2 to such a high level. What you have achieved so far in 2012 highlights your great potential. You should be heartened by that.
Are you planning to go full-time Pro in the forseeable future? Maybe a year hiatus from studies? Is there any player that you model your game on/take inspiration from?
Actually thought Day's response was a little wierd: "Day[9], some people are saying you're only doing this for the money and that you're disingenuous." "No, I work really hard." Stephano actually gave Day the correct answer at the LAN: "Stupid question."
On May 29 2012 08:46 Duravi wrote: Don't forget, he still got $500 even for bombing out.
So we can confirm that LS lacked the decency to also forfeit his last place prize money? I was hoping this wasn't the case, because if it is ... well that would be disgusting behaviour.
On May 29 2012 01:51 Apollo_Shards wrote: Lastly, a question I got a lot over twitter was will we be seeing you compete in more Korean tournaments such as the Korean Weekly, and although you've said you have no desire to return to the US full time, do you see yourself competing at any foreign events in 2012?
LastShadow: I don't see myself competing in any foreign Tournaments. It's not wise for sponsors to send players toe events they can't guarantee at least a top 4 finish over 90% of the time with certainty, that's a waste of money and if a team/sponsor was supporting me I wouldn't want to waste their money when people like MVP, Nestea, MMA, etc exist and go to events. Additionally one might argue that I could try for the Code A seed through MLG. That's so morally fucked up I can't even imagine why someone would aim to knowingly steal a seed from a Korean that probably deserves it more than you. If I deserve Code A, I will win through the qualifiers, I shouldn't obtain it through silly invites or online tournaments, that's dishonourable and pathetic compared to what the ancestor game bw set as a standard for us. I'll play in show matches if requested/I get invited to, but that's about the extent of it. If I do happen to join a team that is in GSTL or KSL or whatever, then I will play there too.
^ This seems pretty relevant to the discussion that is going on atm.
lol ya lastshadow is two faced
he also said he didn't care about other tournaments only the GSL is important, thats why he doesn't have any results.
Then goes and attends this lan and bombs out hahahaha
as someone who's in therapy and dealing with similar issues myself, he sounds like he has a ton of self-sabotage issues. Insisting on GSL as the only real avenue for success is setting himself up for failure.
Don't you get it? By pretending to 'only care about the GSL', he gets to make claims of moral superiority and integrity while purposely avoiding opportunities that might expose him to any real responsibility or failure. By being 'non-conformist', he deludes himself into thinking he is somehow more special or significant than he actually is.
On May 29 2012 01:51 Apollo_Shards wrote: Lastly, a question I got a lot over twitter was will we be seeing you compete in more Korean tournaments such as the Korean Weekly, and although you've said you have no desire to return to the US full time, do you see yourself competing at any foreign events in 2012?
LastShadow: I don't see myself competing in any foreign Tournaments. It's not wise for sponsors to send players toe events they can't guarantee at least a top 4 finish over 90% of the time with certainty, that's a waste of money and if a team/sponsor was supporting me I wouldn't want to waste their money when people like MVP, Nestea, MMA, etc exist and go to events. Additionally one might argue that I could try for the Code A seed through MLG. That's so morally fucked up I can't even imagine why someone would aim to knowingly steal a seed from a Korean that probably deserves it more than you. If I deserve Code A, I will win through the qualifiers, I shouldn't obtain it through silly invites or online tournaments, that's dishonourable and pathetic compared to what the ancestor game bw set as a standard for us. I'll play in show matches if requested/I get invited to, but that's about the extent of it. If I do happen to join a team that is in GSTL or KSL or whatever, then I will play there too.
^ This seems pretty relevant to the discussion that is going on atm.
lol ya lastshadow is two faced
he also said he didn't care about other tournaments only the GSL is important, thats why he doesn't have any results.
Then goes and attends this lan and bombs out hahahaha
as someone who's in therapy and dealing with similar issues myself, he sounds like he has a ton of self-sabotage issues. Insisting on GSL as the only real avenue for success is setting himself up for failure.
Don't you get it? By pretending to 'only care about the GSL', he gets to make claims of moral superiority and integrity while purposely avoiding opportunities that might expose him to any real responsibility or failure. By being 'non-conformist', he deludes himself into thinking he is somehow more special or significant than he actually is.
I call it 'The Destiny Method'.
I think that is completely misplaced, pegging that kind of behavior on Destiny. I'm sure Destiny has issues just like everybody else, but at the very least he has attended MLGs regularly and as such hasn't avoided the potential for failure nearly as much as LS has with his "GSL is the only thing that matters" act (and yes, it's an act)
Over/under bets on how long/bad they'll rip on Lastshadow?
On May 29 2012 17:55 lastshadow wrote: everything else that happened (regarding the FF vs parting at redbull) goes way beyond SC2 for a best of 3 that didn't matter (I talked with redbull/day9/etc before officially making the call to forfeit). A lot of other things happened following that, so people shouldn't talk with ignorance.
On May 29 2012 18:17 lastshadow wrote: No, the public doesn't need to know the specifics about the ins and outs of super personal stuff going on inside the life of others.
He doesn't feel the need to explain his behavior to the community in the slightest.
Even if the community is to give him a pass on his performance, there is no excusing him from his behavior. This is also one of the few examples of bad manner by him in the recent weeks. 1. Him and desrow came to physical blows (punches) quite recently
2. His ladder BM, I believe towards an FXO affliate
On May 29 2012 17:55 lastshadow wrote: everything else that happened (regarding the FF vs parting at redbull) goes way beyond SC2 for a best of 3 that didn't matter (I talked with redbull/day9/etc before officially making the call to forfeit). A lot of other things happened following that, so people shouldn't talk with ignorance.
On May 29 2012 18:17 lastshadow wrote: No, the public doesn't need to know the specifics about the ins and outs of super personal stuff going on inside the life of others.
He doesn't feel the need to explain his behavior to the community in the slightest.
Even if the community is to give him a pass on his performance, there is no excusing him from his behavior. This is also one of the few examples of bad manner by him in the recent weeks. 1. Him and desrow came to physical blows (punches) quite recently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVwB4P_nwQ4 2. His ladder BM, I believe towards an FXO affliate
did desrow win? and about all this drama, i dont think getting few growing players in a small but entertaining lan is a bad thing, just in ls' case hes not really growing <.< Bias from people like day9 isnt nice either, but he's a human, people do mistakes, im pretty sure that wont happen again, enough of shitstorm already.
On May 29 2012 21:27 SeinGalton wrote: Actually thought Day's response was a little wierd: "Day[9], some people are saying you're only doing this for the money and that you're disingenuous." "No, I work really hard." Stephano actually gave Day the correct answer at the LAN: "Stupid question."
On May 29 2012 08:46 Duravi wrote: Don't forget, he still got $500 even for bombing out.
So we can confirm that LS lacked the decency to also forfeit his last place prize money? I was hoping this wasn't the case, because if it is ... well that would be disgusting behaviour.
On May 29 2012 21:27 SeinGalton wrote: Actually thought Day's response was a little wierd: "Day[9], some people are saying you're only doing this for the money and that you're disingenuous." "No, I work really hard." Stephano actually gave Day the correct answer at the LAN: "Stupid question."
On May 29 2012 08:46 Duravi wrote: Don't forget, he still got $500 even for bombing out.
So we can confirm that LS lacked the decency to also forfeit his last place prize money? I was hoping this wasn't the case, because if it is ... well that would be disgusting behaviour.
Are you actually being serious?
yes, he is actually being serious. Welcome to the burn-everyone-at-the-stake members of the community that don't actually think about things in any sort of realistic "real-world" way that are really actually offended over anything they can be. Hopefully a reddit thread won't get made about it so there's a chance LS will still be allowed to try to qualify in the future. Then again he's not on a team to kick him, doesn't have sponsors to boot him, and Gom probably doesn't give a shit about enraged community (like most sponsors and tournaments really should given our community).
On May 29 2012 21:27 SeinGalton wrote: Actually thought Day's response was a little wierd: "Day[9], some people are saying you're only doing this for the money and that you're disingenuous." "No, I work really hard." Stephano actually gave Day the correct answer at the LAN: "Stupid question."
On May 29 2012 08:46 Duravi wrote: Don't forget, he still got $500 even for bombing out.
So we can confirm that LS lacked the decency to also forfeit his last place prize money? I was hoping this wasn't the case, because if it is ... well that would be disgusting behaviour.
Are you actually being serious?
yes, he is actually being serious. Welcome to the burn-everyone-at-the-stake members of the community that don't actually think about things in any sort of realistic "real-world" way that are really actually offended over anything they can be. Hopefully a reddit thread won't get made about it so there's a chance LS will still be allowed to try to qualify in the future. Then again he's not on a team to kick him, doesn't have sponsors to boot him, and Gom probably doesn't give a shit about enraged community (like most sponsors and tournaments really should given our community).
I'm actually not invested in the welfare of ls, nor do I find something that has no bearing on me offensive. That may have come off as more vitriolic than I intended, but $500 is a lot of cash where I'm from and considering his contentious invitation I'm surprised that he didn't do his best to redeem it. Of course a weekend of competitive SC2 for $500 might be hard bargain and I might be wrong. Even if it is not - even if what LS did is deplorable and there is no way to justify it - I'm the last person interested in doing anything about it. But considering that I actually work weeks for that kind of cash, I'm sure you can see how I find it pretty disgusting.
On May 29 2012 21:27 SeinGalton wrote: Actually thought Day's response was a little wierd: "Day[9], some people are saying you're only doing this for the money and that you're disingenuous." "No, I work really hard." Stephano actually gave Day the correct answer at the LAN: "Stupid question."
On May 29 2012 08:46 Duravi wrote: Don't forget, he still got $500 even for bombing out.
So we can confirm that LS lacked the decency to also forfeit his last place prize money? I was hoping this wasn't the case, because if it is ... well that would be disgusting behaviour.
Are you actually being serious?
yes, he is actually being serious. Welcome to the burn-everyone-at-the-stake members of the community that don't actually think about things in any sort of realistic "real-world" way that are really actually offended over anything they can be. Hopefully a reddit thread won't get made about it so there's a chance LS will still be allowed to try to qualify in the future. Then again he's not on a team to kick him, doesn't have sponsors to boot him, and Gom probably doesn't give a shit about enraged community (like most sponsors and tournaments really should given our community).
I think LS is thoroughly immune to being burnt at the stake at this point. You can only go there so many times before it just doesn't matter anymore.
On May 29 2012 01:51 Apollo_Shards wrote: Lastly, a question I got a lot over twitter was will we be seeing you compete in more Korean tournaments such as the Korean Weekly, and although you've said you have no desire to return to the US full time, do you see yourself competing at any foreign events in 2012?
LastShadow: I don't see myself competing in any foreign Tournaments. It's not wise for sponsors to send players toe events they can't guarantee at least a top 4 finish over 90% of the time with certainty, that's a waste of money and if a team/sponsor was supporting me I wouldn't want to waste their money when people like MVP, Nestea, MMA, etc exist and go to events. Additionally one might argue that I could try for the Code A seed through MLG. That's so morally fucked up I can't even imagine why someone would aim to knowingly steal a seed from a Korean that probably deserves it more than you. If I deserve Code A, I will win through the qualifiers, I shouldn't obtain it through silly invites or online tournaments, that's dishonourable and pathetic compared to what the ancestor game bw set as a standard for us. I'll play in show matches if requested/I get invited to, but that's about the extent of it. If I do happen to join a team that is in GSTL or KSL or whatever, then I will play there too.
^ This seems pretty relevant to the discussion that is going on atm.
lol ya lastshadow is two faced
he also said he didn't care about other tournaments only the GSL is important, thats why he doesn't have any results.
Then goes and attends this lan and bombs out hahahaha
as someone who's in therapy and dealing with similar issues myself, he sounds like he has a ton of self-sabotage issues. Insisting on GSL as the only real avenue for success is setting himself up for failure.
Don't you get it? By pretending to 'only care about the GSL', he gets to make claims of moral superiority and integrity while purposely avoiding opportunities that might expose him to any real responsibility or failure. By being 'non-conformist', he deludes himself into thinking he is somehow more special or significant than he actually is.
I call it 'The Destiny Method'.
I think that is completely misplaced, pegging that kind of behavior on Destiny. I'm sure Destiny has issues just like everybody else, but at the very least he has attended MLGs regularly and as such hasn't avoided the potential for failure nearly as much as LS has with his "GSL is the only thing that matters" act (and yes, it's an act)
I know, I kid, I kid. Both Destiny and LS betray a a certain level of immaturity, but they are not equivalent.
EPT
Ostojiy
