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Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 13:58:51
February 13 2012 13:58 GMT
#41081
prepare to get your minds blown: thors should crush broodlings and zerglings under their feet as they walk over them

BAM!
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
EndOfLineTv
Profile Joined February 2011
United States741 Posts
February 13 2012 14:57 GMT
#41082
I love you guys
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 15:12:37
February 13 2012 15:10 GMT
#41083
This last ep. was honestly the best one of 2012 so far. Really liked having qxc and catz on with jp and incontrol. In all honestly I would love to see them on more, and even become a pillar. Artosis is always so negative, and honestly, he is not enjoyable to listen to on this show...I love him as a caster. Like its awesome to have a Terran and zerg view on the game. And qxc bought up really great disscussion, aswell as catz.
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
February 13 2012 15:11 GMT
#41084
On February 13 2012 22:58 Bloodash wrote:
prepare to get your minds blown: thors should crush broodlings and zerglings under their feet as they walk over them

BAM!


That'd be hilarious, maybe they could release that patch a week before they remove the Thor in Heart of the Swarm
@followMVT
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
February 13 2012 15:52 GMT
#41085
On February 13 2012 16:59 Snake.69 wrote:
I dont understand why terrans dont use Ravens late game tvz they are SOO good if you have half map turtled and you get like 10+ ravens. 15 broodlords coming? Np, shoot 7-8 seeker missile and BAM they cant dodge them at all, so they all die.

You can also harass lightly defended expands with mass turrets, and they stay up forever and cost no money, in late game if you can trade energy for money its very good. Only thing you need to watch out is to not get chain fungaled on your clump of ravens, wich few emps can take care of. Seriously, a good amount of ravens will completly shut down broodlords attacks, he may be able to turtle with his broods, but he wont be able to be too aggressive or he will lose them.

Mix those ravens with some nuke harass/pushing, emps, and good turtling, and late game terran is still strong as hell vs zerg. I even think that in the next year we will see a raven nerf at some point, once ppl figure out how to use them, similar to the infestors.



basically. they die easy. they're slow. they're squishy. and realistically anything you use a raven for probably is going to involve sacrificing the raven for, or at least an acceptance that the raven very well might die (or probably will). Seeker missile? probably going to cost you your raven. PDD, MIGHT cost you your raven. Turret? Might or WILL cost you your raven depending on what you're doing with it.

they buffed the speed on seeker missile, and that's awesome...but having an awesome ability on a unit no one wants to use because it's dies to literally anything that can shoot up if your opponent isn't asleep at their keyboard, doesn't change that no one wants to use it. glass cannons just aren't fun, especially when that cannon cannot move to save it's life, and costs you a lot of fucking gas.
Teoman
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway382 Posts
February 13 2012 16:04 GMT
#41086
On February 14 2012 00:52 Angel_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 16:59 Snake.69 wrote:
I dont understand why terrans dont use Ravens late game tvz they are SOO good if you have half map turtled and you get like 10+ ravens. 15 broodlords coming? Np, shoot 7-8 seeker missile and BAM they cant dodge them at all, so they all die.

You can also harass lightly defended expands with mass turrets, and they stay up forever and cost no money, in late game if you can trade energy for money its very good. Only thing you need to watch out is to not get chain fungaled on your clump of ravens, wich few emps can take care of. Seriously, a good amount of ravens will completly shut down broodlords attacks, he may be able to turtle with his broods, but he wont be able to be too aggressive or he will lose them.

Mix those ravens with some nuke harass/pushing, emps, and good turtling, and late game terran is still strong as hell vs zerg. I even think that in the next year we will see a raven nerf at some point, once ppl figure out how to use them, similar to the infestors.



basically. they die easy. they're slow. they're squishy. and realistically anything you use a raven for probably is going to involve sacrificing the raven for, or at least an acceptance that the raven very well might die (or probably will). Seeker missile? probably going to cost you your raven. PDD, MIGHT cost you your raven. Turret? Might or WILL cost you your raven depending on what you're doing with it.

they buffed the speed on seeker missile, and that's awesome...but having an awesome ability on a unit no one wants to use because it's dies to literally anything that can shoot up if your opponent isn't asleep at their keyboard, doesn't change that no one wants to use it. glass cannons just aren't fun, especially when that cannon cannot move to save it's life, and costs you a lot of fucking gas.


I imagined that and almost fell of my chair laughing :D

I think that a tank, marine, medivac, raven combo would work wonders in tvz late game though, as long as you cut down on medivac/tank numbers. Since you can get ridicoulous numbers of marines.

Viable uses could be to split your ravens up to harras with maybe 2-3 and a drop while keeping the main force ready for mass HSM.

I think you would just have to accept the fact that ravens are disposable, but the potential damage they can do, would make them and effective trading tool for brood lords in my opinion.
"Quisque est barbarus alii."
Tivu
Profile Joined February 2012
United States244 Posts
February 13 2012 16:47 GMT
#41087
Great shows guys. Thank you JP for uploading the VOD so quick.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
February 13 2012 17:18 GMT
#41088
Thanks for the fast upload sir, watching now.
Startyr
Profile Joined November 2011
Scotland188 Posts
February 13 2012 17:19 GMT
#41089
I think ravens could use some more experimenting. Something like thor viking raven. Pdd can prevent corrupters from doing damage. infestors are forced to run away from hsm leaving the broodlords open to the thors, vikings and auto turrets. Also the pdd makes ravens harder to kill than templar or infestors
SnuggleZhenya
Profile Joined July 2010
596 Posts
February 13 2012 17:23 GMT
#41090
Just watched the VOD, qxc needs to be a regular.
You'll never get better being an angry nerd sitting alone in your room.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
February 13 2012 17:26 GMT
#41091
Thank you JP, Incontrol, Catz and QXC for this really good episode(at an amazing time for Europe too)
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
KDrake
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada66 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 17:28:55
February 13 2012 17:28 GMT
#41092
QXC made the latest episode something I watched in one sitting instead of something that I download in mp3 and listen to while bored out of my mind at work. He's extremely intelligent and makes his points very clearly. Please bring him back often.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 13 2012 17:32 GMT
#41093
On February 14 2012 00:52 Angel_ wrote:
doesn't change that no one wants to use it. glass cannons just aren't fun, especially when that cannon cannot move to save it's life, and costs you a lot of fucking gas.


You're talking about the hydralisk right?
hahaha


moo...for DRG
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
February 13 2012 17:38 GMT
#41094
On February 14 2012 02:28 KDrake wrote:
QXC made the latest episode something I watched in one sitting instead of something that I download in mp3 and listen to while bored out of my mind at work. He's extremely intelligent and makes his points very clearly. Please bring him back often.



and hilarious to top it off. i loved the deadpan delivery of the "no i just went back in time so ill second it" line.

but seriously, one of the best SotGs. I love tyler, i love artosis, i love day9, but this was some awesome chemistry. tyler can be a little too chill, artosis a little too serious, and day9 trying a little too hard.

and not to forget the fact that every race was actually represented by people who add to the conversation well.

great show despite how scrappy it was thrown together.
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
February 13 2012 17:48 GMT
#41095
great show, but what the heck is going on with those gradients...
"See you space cowboy"
PraefektMotus
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany129 Posts
February 13 2012 17:55 GMT
#41096
Loved QXC. He's a perfect replacement for Tyler (when he's not available) because he has a similar pace and thoughts. Also, iNcontroL is keeping the momentum of the show as ever. Good stuff all around.
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
February 13 2012 18:22 GMT
#41097
On February 14 2012 02:32 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 00:52 Angel_ wrote:
doesn't change that no one wants to use it. glass cannons just aren't fun, especially when that cannon cannot move to save it's life, and costs you a lot of fucking gas.


You're talking about the hydralisk right?
hahaha





hydralisk can't be a cannon, cannons get the chance to fire. =P
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 13 2012 18:37 GMT
#41098
T_T RIP hydralisks...
moo...for DRG
Durn
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada360 Posts
February 13 2012 18:45 GMT
#41099
I really liked CatZ on the show. He's got a really good personality for it, and seems to keep fairly up to date on games and current events. His game knowledge is surprisingly deep given his goofy playstyle and seemingly on-the-fly approach to it.
"Even if I lose 100 games, that's 100 different arrows pointing me in the wrong direction." - Sean Day[9] Plott
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
February 13 2012 18:45 GMT
#41100
QXC winning guest. Too bad the kid is pretty busy as is, he'd make a great regular on the show.
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