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On December 15 2011 03:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:47 Whitewing wrote:On December 15 2011 02:44 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 02:28 Condor Hero wrote:On December 15 2011 02:25 -Archangel- wrote:On December 15 2011 02:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i lost three respect points for gomtv for kicking naniwa except they didn't kick him but only didn't choose him for Code S spot. No he actually earned that spot. yep he earned it from MLG Providence, getting 2nd to Leenock who was already in Code S. if gomtv doesn't agree with that, then they need to take it up with MLG and there are much more serious problems afoot. anyway, the reason they lost respect is because they're doing something that isn't optimal for anyone or anything. as far as i can tell, the only explanation for this move is that they've made it personal with naniwa and they just want to hurt him. and unlike naniwa, who made a bad decision when in a situation where it's very difficult to think clearly and have a good perspective, gomtv folks actually took their time responding to this incident, so that they could think perfectly clearly about it and consult people and get a good perspective and make the best move possible. and yet they still do something that's more destructive than constructive, same as naniwa. and i think that falling back on cultural differences is just insulting their critical thinking ability and their competence as international businessmen. that is, if they were competent at their jobs and were able to think like intelligent adults, they would not do non-optimal things for cultural reasons. They're doing it for business reasons. They need to send the message that it's not okay to do things like this, so this punishment accomplishes that. It tells the viewers "this is a serious competition, every match, and we want to keep it that way so you get value for your money." Whether it's a good business decision is another question, but I seriously doubt they are doing it to be vindictive towards Naniwa. i dont know what punishing naniwa by revoking the code S spot he earned accomplishes that couldn't be accomplished in any other way. i have already discussed this issue with a lot of knowledgeable and experienced people and one of the points that is pretty much universally agreed upon is that the organization running the competition is in the best position to prevent this from happening. they prevent it from happening by removing any possibility for inconsequential games and by making sure players know in advance that they will be required to try their hardest in every match in order to participate in their event. the most effective way of preventing it is certainly not making an example out of the guy who did it ignorantly. no one has ever suggested that. gomtv decides to act on a very vague rule with a very severe punishment, why? naniwa's offense was not clearly defined going into the tournament and there was no hint at what the punishment would be at all. i can't read the original korean, so i can't speak with complete confidence, but it seems to me like the application of the rule they cite is quite a stretch based on the translation. and they just make up a punishment when someone breaks it. they're very far removed from proper and effective use of a system of rules and penalties. they certainly were not compelled by their own rules to do what they did. so using this rule is an excuse to punish him. what this move accomplishes business-wise is to make everyone working with them fear them. if you do anything that they don't expect, anything that they weren't clear on or didn't bring up at all, and it works against them, then you should expect a very severe response from them. even if they set you up to do something that's bad for them, they'll still not say anything beforehand and if you go ahead and do something that's bad for them, they retaliate harshly. imo the standard good business philosophy is to cover your ass as much as possible. and when a business fails to do so, it minimizes damages and learns and fixes the problem for the future. if you are the big kid on the block and you wanna be a bully, then yeah you can be careless and when something goes wrong, don't admit fault and then slap the other guy down and make everyone hate him. if they really think that's optimal, then i'll admit that i don't know everything they know about their own business, so i can't press that too hard. all i can say is it's very improbable that that is optimal. and even if it is optimal for their own business, it's not optimal for the industry. so even if you do want to shield them with "they're just doing what they think is best for their business" i still lose 3 respect points for them. if they owned up to their mistake and stood by naniwa, then i think this is a situation where it's quite possible to use propaganda (not in an evil deceptive way, but legitimate propaganda to get the masses to understand your decision and agree with it) to make themselves look good, make naniwa look good (which they want because he's in their league and he's one of the few foreigners, extra valuable to them) and make their league look stronger than ever heading into the new year. but no, they're apparently incapable of that (either because of incompetence or emotions). edit: apparently the conduct rule wasnt used in the official explanation. if that's true, then it's even worse. they went from having a rule that, when stretched, barely is reasonable, to having no rule and just a spontaneous penalty.
Thank you! It's nice to see some intelligent posts every once in a while.
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On December 15 2011 04:00 sekritzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:54 Benjef wrote:On December 15 2011 02:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 02:31 Flonomenalz wrote:On December 15 2011 02:28 Condor Hero wrote:On December 15 2011 02:25 -Archangel- wrote:On December 15 2011 02:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i lost three respect points for gomtv for kicking naniwa except they didn't kick him but only didn't choose him for Code S spot. No he actually earned that spot. Either that or somebody fucked up because just about anyone paying attention was under the assumption he was already in Code S January 2012. GOM should've just made him apologize. No he did NOT earn the spot. Please look at the "Naniwa not invited to Code S" OP. He was being CONSIDERED for the spot and was a favorite probably. Not anymore. that's what the children at gomtv are saying. check out this post where a guy has gathered several quotes of MLG saying that naniwa got a Code S spot http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nc8g6/naniwa_loses_code_s_spot/c37zdqg Yeh. I'm still waiting on an official response from Sundance or an article on MLG about this. What slasher said doesn't mean much to me. MLG_Adam already discredited Slasher and said that Slasher is not an MLG representative, rather he is part of the video department and it was merely his opinion rather than fact. However an official word from MLG still has yet to come out so a lot of people are waiting for it but its hard to wiggle your way out when there is about 8 articles (5 from MLG) stating he got the Code-S spot.
Remember when Naniwa called MLG Providence a 'joke tournament'? Well that's also when he got his code S spot. MLG may not be eager to jump to his defense.
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slasher is the reason naniwa got hate at mlg , when he interviewed him naniwa said nestea made a stupid move, and then slashers goes posting up the video on mlg site with ridiculous titles to get people to watch the interview, such as Nani calls nestea Stupid which is clearly not true.
Then that creates the tension situation between him and nestea, because nestea english is non existant, so whatever he hears is from some translator or fellow koreans that can speak english. So when nestea hears this, he tells nani he will trash him in the game since they had to play each other again, Nani then rapes nestea yet again and thumbs him down with a taunt. 9000000 posts go on reddit for how nani is such a douchebag. Yet MC is famous for this sort of thing, Even losira walked up to an entire team and thumbs them down in GSTL, come on man, thumbs down offending ppl?
Then the next so called incident is nani approachs Complexity and says he wants out because hes more intrested in joining Quantic, Complexity is enraged as this is the 2nd time now they are not being considered as a primary choice for a pro-gamers ( the stephano incident comes to mind) , so then complexity worded the article as if they wanted to get rid him anyway , which then leads to a whole pointless discussion about how bad manner and unprofessional he is and no team should want him .
Now you have blizzard cup where hes 0-3, completely pissed off with himself for his poor performance, probably knows he cannot give his best effort towards a meaningless match, so he probe rushes and now is banned/stripped of CODE S spot. Society always tell people to be honest and never lie, yet we know this is all bullshit. If he faked a game and 4gated instead he would not have been punished. Sigh
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On the other hand, doesn't Naniwa have a reputation for bad behaviour during tournaments?
I'm not going to argue that GSL's punishment was fair or logical (it wasn't), but it was provoked, and it really was just a matter a time before a big tournament grew behaved gave Naniwa the smackdown.
It's like a annoying little dog that keeps nipping at the heels of other, bigger dogs. Eventually, that dog is going to get kicked in the face ... and would kind of deserve it.
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NaNiwa just needs to get his emotions under control. I guarantee he knew 20 minutes after doing it that it was a bad idea. It seems like all the stories about him from people behind the scenes revolve around him way over-reacting to the situation when he does badly. While it's good to be harsh on yourself so you can practise more, he needs to find a way of keeping it contained. Perhaps soon no team will be willing to sponsor him anymore and he will have to move out of korea.
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On December 15 2011 04:18 jared1259 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:00 sekritzzz wrote:On December 15 2011 03:54 Benjef wrote:On December 15 2011 02:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 02:31 Flonomenalz wrote:On December 15 2011 02:28 Condor Hero wrote:On December 15 2011 02:25 -Archangel- wrote:On December 15 2011 02:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i lost three respect points for gomtv for kicking naniwa except they didn't kick him but only didn't choose him for Code S spot. No he actually earned that spot. Either that or somebody fucked up because just about anyone paying attention was under the assumption he was already in Code S January 2012. GOM should've just made him apologize. No he did NOT earn the spot. Please look at the "Naniwa not invited to Code S" OP. He was being CONSIDERED for the spot and was a favorite probably. Not anymore. that's what the children at gomtv are saying. check out this post where a guy has gathered several quotes of MLG saying that naniwa got a Code S spot http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nc8g6/naniwa_loses_code_s_spot/c37zdqg Yeh. I'm still waiting on an official response from Sundance or an article on MLG about this. What slasher said doesn't mean much to me. MLG_Adam already discredited Slasher and said that Slasher is not an MLG representative, rather he is part of the video department and it was merely his opinion rather than fact. However an official word from MLG still has yet to come out so a lot of people are waiting for it but its hard to wiggle your way out when there is about 8 articles (5 from MLG) stating he got the Code-S spot. Remember when Naniwa called MLG Providence a 'joke tournament'? Well that's also when he got his code S spot. MLG may not be eager to jump to his defense.
Nobody should expect MLG white knighting, but they definitely should clarify exactly what agreement they have with GOM.
MLG benefits a lot from the exchange, there are tons of people who attend not for the $5,000 top prize but for the Code S spot.
If MLG just does absolutely nothing, how is that different from advertising $5,000 top prize but actually taking back $2,500?
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and the VOD is..? Been over an hour I think for what JP initially said was 30-40 mins. Sadface is sad.
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I liked how Incontrol tore apart Nony's defense of Naniwa based on his laserlike focus on tournament results. If Naniwa is interested in winning tournaments, he ought to conduct himself in a manner that gets him invites to future tournaments. You think Naniwa is getting another Blizzcup invite after that "fuck you" to the organizers/fans?
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C'mon I want the damn Vod, I listened the mp3 to the point where they are doing 2vs2, I cant fucking listen that.
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On December 15 2011 04:16 labbe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 02:47 Whitewing wrote:On December 15 2011 02:44 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 02:28 Condor Hero wrote:On December 15 2011 02:25 -Archangel- wrote:On December 15 2011 02:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i lost three respect points for gomtv for kicking naniwa except they didn't kick him but only didn't choose him for Code S spot. No he actually earned that spot. yep he earned it from MLG Providence, getting 2nd to Leenock who was already in Code S. if gomtv doesn't agree with that, then they need to take it up with MLG and there are much more serious problems afoot. anyway, the reason they lost respect is because they're doing something that isn't optimal for anyone or anything. as far as i can tell, the only explanation for this move is that they've made it personal with naniwa and they just want to hurt him. and unlike naniwa, who made a bad decision when in a situation where it's very difficult to think clearly and have a good perspective, gomtv folks actually took their time responding to this incident, so that they could think perfectly clearly about it and consult people and get a good perspective and make the best move possible. and yet they still do something that's more destructive than constructive, same as naniwa. and i think that falling back on cultural differences is just insulting their critical thinking ability and their competence as international businessmen. that is, if they were competent at their jobs and were able to think like intelligent adults, they would not do non-optimal things for cultural reasons. They're doing it for business reasons. They need to send the message that it's not okay to do things like this, so this punishment accomplishes that. It tells the viewers "this is a serious competition, every match, and we want to keep it that way so you get value for your money." Whether it's a good business decision is another question, but I seriously doubt they are doing it to be vindictive towards Naniwa. i dont know what punishing naniwa by revoking the code S spot he earned accomplishes that couldn't be accomplished in any other way. i have already discussed this issue with a lot of knowledgeable and experienced people and one of the points that is pretty much universally agreed upon is that the organization running the competition is in the best position to prevent this from happening. they prevent it from happening by removing any possibility for inconsequential games and by making sure players know in advance that they will be required to try their hardest in every match in order to participate in their event. the most effective way of preventing it is certainly not making an example out of the guy who did it ignorantly. no one has ever suggested that. gomtv decides to act on a very vague rule with a very severe punishment, why? naniwa's offense was not clearly defined going into the tournament and there was no hint at what the punishment would be at all. i can't read the original korean, so i can't speak with complete confidence, but it seems to me like the application of the rule they cite is quite a stretch based on the translation. and they just make up a punishment when someone breaks it. they're very far removed from proper and effective use of a system of rules and penalties. they certainly were not compelled by their own rules to do what they did. so using this rule is an excuse to punish him. what this move accomplishes business-wise is to make everyone working with them fear them. if you do anything that they don't expect, anything that they weren't clear on or didn't bring up at all, and it works against them, then you should expect a very severe response from them. even if they set you up to do something that's bad for them, they'll still not say anything beforehand and if you go ahead and do something that's bad for them, they retaliate harshly. imo the standard good business philosophy is to cover your ass as much as possible. and when a business fails to do so, it minimizes damages and learns and fixes the problem for the future. if you are the big kid on the block and you wanna be a bully, then yeah you can be careless and when something goes wrong, don't admit fault and then slap the other guy down and make everyone hate him. if they really think that's optimal, then i'll admit that i don't know everything they know about their own business, so i can't press that too hard. all i can say is it's very improbable that that is optimal. and even if it is optimal for their own business, it's not optimal for the industry. so even if you do want to shield them with "they're just doing what they think is best for their business" i still lose 3 respect points for them. if they owned up to their mistake and stood by naniwa, then i think this is a situation where it's quite possible to use propaganda (not in an evil deceptive way, but legitimate propaganda to get the masses to understand your decision and agree with it) to make themselves look good, make naniwa look good (which they want because he's in their league and he's one of the few foreigners, extra valuable to them) and make their league look stronger than ever heading into the new year. but no, they're apparently incapable of that (either because of incompetence or emotions). edit: apparently the conduct rule wasnt used in the official explanation. if that's true, then it's even worse. they went from having a rule that, when stretched, barely is reasonable, to having no rule and just a spontaneous penalty. Thank you! It's nice to see some intelligent posts every once in a while.
If "doing anything they don't expect" means stuff like throwing a game in the most obvious way possible i'm fully supporting them inflicting fear into the players.
seriously, what is so hard to understand about this or why can you even argue about this action not being smart?
What happened?
A professional gamer lost an aired game because he did not feel like playing "serious" because he dropped out of the tournament...
Oh wait, it's actually WAY worse, he did not just "not play serious", he did drop the game on purpose. He even made it in a way that it was obvious to absolutely everyone by taking his hand of the keyboard and using a "strategy" with a 100% loss-chance.
There is like nothing worse he could have done. Not joining the game would have been better. Faking a heart attack during the game would have been better. But what he did was like the worst possible "answer" to not wanting to play a game that did not matter.
He got punished for dropping a game. It does not even matter if the game had a purpose. Dropping a game in the way he did is just the worst thing a progamer can do. You want professional Esports? Then act professional.
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On December 15 2011 03:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:47 Whitewing wrote:On December 15 2011 02:44 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 02:28 Condor Hero wrote:On December 15 2011 02:25 -Archangel- wrote:On December 15 2011 02:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i lost three respect points for gomtv for kicking naniwa except they didn't kick him but only didn't choose him for Code S spot. No he actually earned that spot. yep he earned it from MLG Providence, getting 2nd to Leenock who was already in Code S. if gomtv doesn't agree with that, then they need to take it up with MLG and there are much more serious problems afoot. anyway, the reason they lost respect is because they're doing something that isn't optimal for anyone or anything. as far as i can tell, the only explanation for this move is that they've made it personal with naniwa and they just want to hurt him. and unlike naniwa, who made a bad decision when in a situation where it's very difficult to think clearly and have a good perspective, gomtv folks actually took their time responding to this incident, so that they could think perfectly clearly about it and consult people and get a good perspective and make the best move possible. and yet they still do something that's more destructive than constructive, same as naniwa. and i think that falling back on cultural differences is just insulting their critical thinking ability and their competence as international businessmen. that is, if they were competent at their jobs and were able to think like intelligent adults, they would not do non-optimal things for cultural reasons. They're doing it for business reasons. They need to send the message that it's not okay to do things like this, so this punishment accomplishes that. It tells the viewers "this is a serious competition, every match, and we want to keep it that way so you get value for your money." Whether it's a good business decision is another question, but I seriously doubt they are doing it to be vindictive towards Naniwa. i dont know what punishing naniwa by revoking the code S spot he earned accomplishes that couldn't be accomplished in any other way. i have already discussed this issue with a lot of knowledgeable and experienced people and one of the points that is pretty much universally agreed upon is that the organization running the competition is in the best position to prevent this from happening. they prevent it from happening by removing any possibility for inconsequential games and by making sure players know in advance that they will be required to try their hardest in every match in order to participate in their event. the most effective way of preventing it is certainly not making an example out of the guy who did it ignorantly. no one has ever suggested that. gomtv decides to act on a very vague rule with a very severe punishment, why? naniwa's offense was not clearly defined going into the tournament and there was no hint at what the punishment would be at all. i can't read the original korean, so i can't speak with complete confidence, but it seems to me like the application of the rule they cite is quite a stretch based on the translation. and they just make up a punishment when someone breaks it. they're very far removed from proper and effective use of a system of rules and penalties. they certainly were not compelled by their own rules to do what they did. so using this rule is an excuse to punish him. what this move accomplishes business-wise is to make everyone working with them fear them. if you do anything that they don't expect, anything that they weren't clear on or didn't bring up at all, and it works against them, then you should expect a very severe response from them. even if they set you up to do something that's bad for them, they'll still not say anything beforehand and if you go ahead and do something that's bad for them, they retaliate harshly. imo the standard good business philosophy is to cover your ass as much as possible. and when a business fails to do so, it minimizes damages and learns and fixes the problem for the future. if you are the big kid on the block and you wanna be a bully, then yeah you can be careless and when something goes wrong, don't admit fault and then slap the other guy down and make everyone hate him. if they really think that's optimal, then i'll admit that i don't know everything they know about their own business, so i can't press that too hard. all i can say is it's very improbable that that is optimal. and even if it is optimal for their own business, it's not optimal for the industry. so even if you do want to shield them with "they're just doing what they think is best for their business" i still lose 3 respect points for them. if they owned up to their mistake and stood by naniwa, then i think this is a situation where it's quite possible to use propaganda (not in an evil deceptive way, but legitimate propaganda to get the masses to understand your decision and agree with it) to make themselves look good, make naniwa look good (which they want because he's in their league and he's one of the few foreigners, extra valuable to them) and make their league look stronger than ever heading into the new year. but no, they're apparently incapable of that (either because of incompetence or emotions). edit: apparently the conduct rule wasnt used in the official explanation. if that's true, then it's even worse. they went from having a rule that, when stretched, barely is reasonable, to having no rule and just a spontaneous penalty.
Hey now, I never said it was a good business decision, just that it is one. I actually agree with you that it was a bad move, but remember that GOMtv also has obligations towards the Korean community as well, and they are, at least on the face of it, significantly more upset about what Naniwa did than most foreigners are. It might be that this is a move to appease those followers. I don't have the numbers to know if that is smart or not.
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"When you start to wonder why someone is still paying you money, that's when you're doing it right."
Last night was a big milestone for me for many reasons. The biggest being we had our largest live audience ever and the funniest being I somehow managed to do shoutouts and play the outro song while not remembering a thing. I just wanted to tell you guys, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. You've made State of the Game something myself and the other hosts look forward to every Tuesday and I can't wait to start doing it again in 2012.
VOD and MP3 are up http://sotg-sc2.blogspot.com/2011/12/sotg-ep60.html
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On December 15 2011 04:41 itmeJP wrote:
"When you start to wonder why someone is still paying you money, that's when you're doing it right."
Last night was a big milestone for me for many reasons. The biggest being we had our largest live audience ever and the funniest being I somehow managed to do shoutouts and play the outro song while not remembering a thing. I just wanted to tell you guys, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. You've made State of the Game something myself and the other hosts look forward to every Tuesday and I can't wait to start doing it again in 2012.
VOD will be up soon, MP3 is already up. Will edit this with link for VOD when its done processing in Brightcove.
Have a good break buddy, you deserve it.
Then hurry back and do more SotG in 2012.
edit: or someone else will.
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On December 15 2011 04:41 itmeJP wrote:
"When you start to wonder why someone is still paying you money, that's when you're doing it right."
Last night was a big milestone for me for many reasons. The biggest being we had our largest live audience ever and the funniest being I somehow managed to do shoutouts and play the outro song while not remembering a thing. I just wanted to tell you guys, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. You've made State of the Game something myself and the other hosts look forward to every Tuesday and I can't wait to start doing it again in 2012.
VOD will be up soon, MP3 is already up. Will edit this with link for VOD when its done processing in Brightcove.
Awesome. Just waiting for the VoD to come up!  Have heard so much about the episode. How many people tuned in?
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On December 15 2011 04:41 itmeJP wrote:
The biggest being we had our largest live audience ever.
How big was it?
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On December 15 2011 04:41 itmeJP wrote:
"When you start to wonder why someone is still paying you money, that's when you're doing it right."
Last night was a big milestone for me for many reasons. The biggest being we had our largest live audience ever and the funniest being I somehow managed to do shoutouts and play the outro song while not remembering a thing. I just wanted to tell you guys, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. You've made State of the Game something myself and the other hosts look forward to every Tuesday and I can't wait to start doing it again in 2012.
VOD will be up soon, MP3 is already up. Will edit this with link for VOD when its done processing in Brightcove.
We have to thank you JP. You´ve started this great thing we call state of the game.
Keep up the great work in 2012.
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On December 15 2011 04:41 itmeJP wrote:
"When you start to wonder why someone is still paying you money, that's when you're doing it right."
Last night was a big milestone for me for many reasons. The biggest being we had our largest live audience ever and the funniest being I somehow managed to do shoutouts and play the outro song while not remembering a thing. I just wanted to tell you guys, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. You've made State of the Game something myself and the other hosts look forward to every Tuesday and I can't wait to start doing it again in 2012.
VOD will be up soon, MP3 is already up. Will edit this with link for VOD when its done processing in Brightcove.
no thank you JP ... state of the game is one of the reasons I got hooked on SC2 ....cant wait to watch the VoD
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On December 15 2011 04:41 itmeJP wrote:
"When you start to wonder why someone is still paying you money, that's when you're doing it right."
Last night was a big milestone for me for many reasons. The biggest being we had our largest live audience ever and the funniest being I somehow managed to do shoutouts and play the outro song while not remembering a thing. I just wanted to tell you guys, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. You've made State of the Game something myself and the other hosts look forward to every Tuesday and I can't wait to start doing it again in 2012.
VOD will be up soon, MP3 is already up. Will edit this with link for VOD when its done processing in Brightcove.
No thank you, JP. Thank you as well to everyone else who makes State of the Game great.
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On December 15 2011 04:41 itmeJP wrote:
"When you start to wonder why someone is still paying you money, that's when you're doing it right."
Last night was a big milestone for me for many reasons. The biggest being we had our largest live audience ever and the funniest being I somehow managed to do shoutouts and play the outro song while not remembering a thing. I just wanted to tell you guys, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. You've made State of the Game something myself and the other hosts look forward to every Tuesday and I can't wait to start doing it again in 2012.
VOD will be up soon, MP3 is already up. Will edit this with link for VOD when its done processing in Brightcove.
Big <3 for you and my guys on SotG. It's the only Podcast I ever listen to, and I really appreciate what you guys bring to the community! <3
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On December 15 2011 04:41 itmeJP wrote:
"When you start to wonder why someone is still paying you money, that's when you're doing it right."
Last night was a big milestone for me for many reasons. The biggest being we had our largest live audience ever and the funniest being I somehow managed to do shoutouts and play the outro song while not remembering a thing. I just wanted to tell you guys, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. You've made State of the Game something myself and the other hosts look forward to every Tuesday and I can't wait to start doing it again in 2012.
VOD will be up soon, MP3 is already up. Will edit this with link for VOD when its done processing in Brightcove.
How many viewers did the show get up to? Have the podcast downloaded for the ride home. Can't wait, last years was epic.
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