EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1544
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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
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Makotoo
Finland159 Posts
On September 14 2011 20:04 galivet wrote: Why talk about a matter of such little importance on a show called "State of the Game" to begin with? SC2 stream sniping is an issue that effects like 50 people on the whole planet. It's like if Oprah devoted part of her show to discussing issues that bother black talkshow hostesses. It's something that threatens the way the pros get their money, to be honest I think very few people like to watch a streamer play the same person 8 hours a row which is what deezer has been doing and some other people have started copying deezer. If this goes on for a couple of months it WILL have an effect on the viewercounts and if stream viewers drop it makes harder for more people to make money by streaming. If stream sniping continues to grow it will affect everyone because there will be less entertainment as streamers might have to quit streaming if they want to play without being sniped and cheated. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
I totally understand that you can't watch the small tournaments on EU and follow the scene really well. But can't you find any person who is really knowledgeable about the EU scene? He doesn't need to be on the show with you, but he could give you at least some information on how to rank the EU players or latest results or something. Like srsly, when you were talking about Lucifron you acted like he's one basing all the time (cause you only know him from beta when -everyone- was one basing all the time) and he's probably just bad. Everything you said about Lucifron was basically wrong and made up by you and imo you didn't even make clear that you just don't have a clue. Lucifron is active again, he's top 10 grandmaster EU with a 389-120 record and lately he beat Mana 2-0, Stephano 2-0 and Nerchio 3-0 in a very very convincing non-cheesy fashion. Actually it looked like MMA or some other top level Korean macroing and multitasking all over the place and it was one of the most impressive Terran performances I have ever seen from an EU player. Please note that your constant ignorance and misinformation about EU players is actually hurting the EU scene and players, cause despite the fact that there are many more good players on EU than on NA, you constantly ignore most of them and instead overhype worse NA players. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On September 14 2011 20:17 Novalisk wrote: Regarding that whole National Championship thing, didn't the Battle.Net invitationals fill that role to a certain extent? Well, it was more like a continental one. @ Ragoo: Indeed, it would be nice if at least JP as the host was able to throw in some facts/recent stats of players mostly unknown to the pillars in order to give a more complete picture of the scene and to make them able to actually predict tournaments accurately. :D | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On September 14 2011 20:04 galivet wrote: Why talk about a matter of such little importance on a show called "State of the Game" to begin with? SC2 stream sniping is an issue that effects like 50 people on the whole planet. It's like if Oprah devoted part of her show to discussing issues that bother black talkshow hostesses. Complainers gonna complain...... | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On September 14 2011 20:04 galivet wrote: Why talk about a matter of such little importance on a show called "State of the Game" to begin with? SC2 stream sniping is an issue that effects like 50 people on the whole planet. It's like if Oprah devoted part of her show to discussing issues that bother black talkshow hostesses. It's an issue that effects everyone who watches their streams. More like if Oprah had a guy running onto her tv show every 5 minutes in front of camera going 'HEY! HEY LOOK AT ME YOU FUCKERS. FUCKING LOOK AT ME.' | ||
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galivet
288 Posts
On September 14 2011 20:16 Makotoo wrote: It's something that threatens the way the pros get their money, to be honest I think very few people like to watch a streamer play the same person 8 hours a row which is what deezer has been doing and some other people have started copying deezer. If this goes on for a couple of months it WILL have an effect on the viewercounts and if stream viewers drop it makes harder for more people to make money by streaming. If stream sniping continues to grow it will affect everyone because there will be less entertainment as streamers might have to quit streaming if they want to play without being sniped and cheated. No, they might have to stop live streaming with no broadcast delay. Can't be stream-sniped if you cache all the video you record on disk and time-delay your stream by a few minutes. Sorry if JustinTV doesn't make it braindead simple to do, but it's certainly not hard. If I were making a chunk of my living by streaming games then I would probably take a couple of hours and implement the technical solution... | ||
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
On September 14 2011 16:28 Blasphemi wrote: You must have a short attention span. Nothing wrong with keeping most of the same players. There certainly isn't anything wrong with that. But it also has nothing to do with attention span. OT: I liked the show, I liked that they discussed the destiny thing, it wasn't the best sotg but it was at least 1337 times better than not having a show because everyone was too busy. So thanks for that. | ||
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JayJay_90
Germany1632 Posts
On September 14 2011 20:27 Ragoo wrote: Some EU rage: I totally understand that you can't watch the small tournaments on EU and follow the scene really well. But can't you find any person who is really knowledgeable about the EU scene? He doesn't need to be on the show with you, but he could give you at least some information on how to rank the EU players or latest results or something. Like srsly, when you were talking about Lucifron you acted like he's one basing all the time (cause you only know him from beta when -everyone- was one basing all the time) and he's probably just bad. Everything you said about Lucifron was basically wrong and made up by you and imo you didn't even make clear that you just don't have a clue. Lucifron is active again, he's top 10 grandmaster EU with a 389-120 record and lately he beat Mana 2-0, Stephano 2-0 and Nerchio 3-0 in a very very convincing non-cheesy fashion. Actually it looked like MMA or some other top level Korean macroing and multitasking all over the place and it was one of the most impressive Terran performances I have ever seen from an EU player. Please note that your constant ignorance and misinformation about EU players is actually hurting the EU scene and players, cause despite the fact that there are many more good players on EU than on NA, you constantly ignore most of them and instead overhype worse NA players. thanks for saving me some time bro, i basically wanted to write just that. as someone who follows the EU scene quite a bit things like that just hurt my brain. and it's not just that i don't enjoy the show that much (anymore) for that reason, i think with where your show is right now and the influence you guys have on the community, you have a bit of responsibility, even if it is supposed to be a casual and relaxed atmosphere with everyone just giving their opinions. By hyping someone or talking shit about him you can significantly influence a player's career, since other people are likely do just jump on the bandwagon. So if you want to talk about the EU scene, please make sure you have a decent knowledge about it. Otherwise just stick to Korea and NA. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On September 14 2011 20:27 Ragoo wrote: Some EU rage: I totally understand that you can't watch the small tournaments on EU and follow the scene really well. But can't you find any person who is really knowledgeable about the EU scene? He doesn't need to be on the show with you, but he could give you at least some information on how to rank the EU players or latest results or something. Like srsly, when you were talking about Lucifron you acted like he's one basing all the time (cause you only know him from beta when -everyone- was one basing all the time) and he's probably just bad. Everything you said about Lucifron was basically wrong and made up by you and imo you didn't even make clear that you just don't have a clue. Lucifron is active again, he's top 10 grandmaster EU with a 389-120 record and lately he beat Mana 2-0, Stephano 2-0 and Nerchio 3-0 in a very very convincing non-cheesy fashion. Actually it looked like MMA or some other top level Korean macroing and multitasking all over the place and it was one of the most impressive Terran performances I have ever seen from an EU player. Please note that your constant ignorance and misinformation about EU players is actually hurting the EU scene and players, cause despite the fact that there are many more good players on EU than on NA, you constantly ignore most of them and instead overhype worse NA players. Incontrol called Lucifron's TvZ the best in EU | ||
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S2Lunar
1051 Posts
On September 14 2011 20:27 Ragoo wrote: when you were talking about Lucifron you acted like he's one basing all the time (cause you only know him from beta when -everyone- was one basing all the time) and he's probably just bad. Everything you said about Lucifron was basically wrong and made up by you and imo you didn't even make clear that you just don't have a clue. . I totally agree. I feel like artosis is so ignorant when it comes to some players. Just because someone one based in the beta doesn't mean they are bad players now. I don't follow the EU Scene much but I know Lucifron is incredibly solid right now and has beaten Nerchio and Stephano who have arguably the best ZvT in EU 2-0 in macro games. | ||
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
On September 14 2011 20:35 galivet wrote: No, they might have to stop live streaming with no broadcast delay. Can't be stream-sniped if you cache all the video you record on disk and time-delay your stream by a few minutes. Sorry if JustinTV doesn't make it braindead simple to do, but it's certainly not hard. If I were making a chunk of my living by streaming games then I would probably take a couple of hours and implement the technical solution... If streamers had a 2 minute stream delay, they would probably have about 25% less viewers, at least. How many people spend their time watching the saved VODs of justintv stream recordings in their free time? Honestly a large portion of the attraction of streaming attraction is the fact that it's live, both because it makes it feel more real, and because then you can actually interact with the streamer in a meaningful way. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
So is Kas, Strelok, Sjow, and Tarson. Stephano, Nerchio, Ret, and Dimaga Mana, Nightend, Hasu, and Socke European scene is incredibly deep, and it makes me sad that SotG doesn't show it more love. Would love to volunteer myself (or more appropriately, Rotterdam) to come drop some truth bombs. I know you read these posts, JP. Show EU some love, bro! | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On September 14 2011 20:47 hugman wrote: Incontrol called Lucifron's TvZ the best in EU I think iNcontrol is the one most knowledgeable about the EU scene on SOTG anyway, due to living in the EG teamhouse with Demuslim, also having experience casting and playing a lot of EU players in NASL and EGMC, but I think the others are a bit lacking, Artosis and Day[9] have way too much stuff on their hands to know every player out there and I don't think Tyler watches a lot of VODs or replays of lesser known players. I think it'd be a good idea if someone gave JP some general information about players who might be unknown to the pillars beforehand, since they aren't really preparing for the show (just like when JP tries to talk about GSL, when he's like "has anyone watched the games yesterday" and one after another says "no, not really") | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
On September 14 2011 20:27 Ragoo wrote: Some EU rage: I totally understand that you can't watch the small tournaments on EU and follow the scene really well. But can't you find any person who is really knowledgeable about the EU scene? He doesn't need to be on the show with you, but he could give you at least some information on how to rank the EU players or latest results or something. Like srsly, when you were talking about Lucifron you acted like he's one basing all the time (cause you only know him from beta when -everyone- was one basing all the time) and he's probably just bad. Everything you said about Lucifron was basically wrong and made up by you and imo you didn't even make clear that you just don't have a clue. Lucifron is active again, he's top 10 grandmaster EU with a 389-120 record and lately he beat Mana 2-0, Stephano 2-0 and Nerchio 3-0 in a very very convincing non-cheesy fashion. Actually it looked like MMA or some other top level Korean macroing and multitasking all over the place and it was one of the most impressive Terran performances I have ever seen from an EU player. Please note that your constant ignorance and misinformation about EU players is actually hurting the EU scene and players, cause despite the fact that there are many more good players on EU than on NA, you constantly ignore most of them and instead overhype worse NA players. Wait, your mad because all the pro's from America don't know your minor EU players. Oh, your totally right, why wouldn't the pros waste their time studying players they've never played before. How Ignorant of them! Why you no waste more time??? | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:02 MrBitter wrote: Lucifron is incredible. So is Kas, Strelok, Sjow, and Tarson. Stephano, Nerchio, Ret, and Dimaga Mana, Nightend, Hasu, and Socke European scene is incredibly deep, and it makes me sad that SotG doesn't show it more love. Would love to volunteer myself (or more appropriately, Rotterdam) to come drop some truth bombs. I know you read these posts, JP. Show EU some love, bro! Yeah, you and/or RotterdaM would be cool to have on sometimes if the time is right. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:06 ronpaul012 wrote: Wait, your mad because all the pro's from America don't know your minor EU players. Oh, your totally right, why wouldn't the pros waste their time studying players they've never played before. How Ignorant of them! Why you no waste more time??? This is the kind of silly stuff that people need to be more informed on. Those "minor" EU players are, in all honesty, vastly superior to most, not all, well known North American pros. I would really love to see a Europe vs. North America showmatch series. I think it would really open some eyes. edit: And to be clear, I'm really not trying to open up the "Euopre > NA" debate. But I do think its very important that, as "foreigners", we recognize the solid foreign talent. There is a lot of it in Europe. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:06 ronpaul012 wrote: Wait, your mad because all the pro's from America don't know your minor EU players. Oh, your totally right, why wouldn't the pros waste their time studying players they've never played before. How Ignorant of them! Why you no waste more time??? Pretty much depicts why he is right. MINOR EU players? Really? Like...seriously? In his current state, Lucifron could probably roflstomp everyone on NA, with the exception of "maybe" Select. And Incontrol seems to be the only one who has followed his progress lately (I'm not even going into game/strategy/macro-analysis...). I agree 100%, if you don't know the EU-scene then just limit your scope to NA/Korea. But stop making stuff up to appear knowledgable, if you haven't seen Lucifron play since Beta, just admit it and it's gonna be fine. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On September 14 2011 19:56 galivet wrote: Why would anyone involved in SotG care about the quality of posting on this forum to the extent that it's the dominant factor in deciding whether or not they discuss game balance? I don't think they really care if what they say on their show makes people write posts on TL or any other forum. Okay, thanks for your personal interpretation of some charts and your personal assumption about what pros believe, but to be honest I don't really give a damn what you or any other regular nameless faceless nobody forum-poster has to say about game balance. If I wanted a bunch of anonymous opinions from individuals of negligible skill and importance then I would read the designated balance whine trash bin. I want the pros and the commentators -- the real SC2 experts -- to speak up and make some firm conclusions on the record. I don't want to guess at what they think about the issues that actually matter while they waste electrons talking about how they don't enjoy watching all-star matches or whatever. Calm down dude, you sound upset. If you watched SotG regularly you'd know they do consider how people react to what they say, and balance brings out the worst in everyone. I can remember them saying that the game is close to balanced on several occasions. Maybe they realize that they will have a huge bias as they know matchups in and out but only from one perspective, as Tyler isn't keen on commenting at all on anything not Protoss related. Balance is for Blizzard to fix if they see fit, just cause you want pros to start talking about balance doesn't mean they feel the need or even want to. Isn't Inside the Game more about this anyway, as they have a terran, protoss and zerg on the show. And they take viewer questions about balance and such. Why don't you watch that for your balance needs? | ||
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