EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1522
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On September 04 2011 08:41 Jayrod wrote: The biggest thing i really dislike about the european tournaments (and its seriously huge to me) is how disorganized the casting usually is. Casting is a really important part of the experience for me and when you have 10 different observers in one game, often lagging them up, with 90% of the casters being pretty terrible, its REALLY difficult to find entertaining matches with any sort of hype. Sure I'll see matches at these events that feature some of my favorite players, but the events always feel less epic because the presentation is really poor in comparison to MLG. The level of competition is often higher at the EU events than at the MLGs, but the production value really falls short making them harder to enjoy. Homestory cup was still one of my favorite tournaments to date in SC2, but I have trouble even remembering who wins most of the EU events because the matches are so brutally disorganized and the casting is a notch below. More than that, the EU casters seem to be way more knowledgable about the game (on average, not counting Day9), but it doesn't make up for it... they're just worse casters IMO. MLG isn't perfect, but those EU events are even further from perfect I haven't noticed the disorganization you are talking about in European tournaments. I think the quality of the main casters are about the same at both tournaments, maybe a bit better at MLG. The largest difference is that there is a lot more content added on top of that at European events(Dreamhack). You have the option to watch other games instead of the ones casted by Day9 if those players interest you more. After the group stage, every game is casted at Dreamhack so if you have a favorite player you will be sure to catch all his games if you want to. I think MLG is the tournament that has problems with organization. Since the playing area is so close to the stage, the players have to sit in special booths in order to be casted. This makes it harder for the casters to just join any game and cast it if there is downtime. It makes it take longer between scheduled games since the players waiting to be casted can't be set up and ready by the time the last game finishes. So much downtime and so many games missed could be solved if MLG had a system closer to that of Dreamhack. | ||
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duckii
Germany1017 Posts
On September 02 2011 22:50 Liudo wrote: It's the extremely slow paced format of this show that has put me off watching it recently. Whatever topic that they are looking at, instead of letting questions and answers flow naturally, and allowing people to speak when they have something to say, questions are broken down into sub-questions and the same question is answered in turn by everyone, person by person. It seems forced, methodical and unnatural. I would prefer a more fluid presentation. It's a question of moderation and how the show is put together. People should be allowed to speak out of turn to an extent, and it's not necessary for every single person to have to give their opinion to every single question. I totally agree with this, I love the show and it could be improved by a lot if JP could let it flow more naturally. Not asking every question to every person on the podcast would be a start. For example Tylers best contributions come about, when he truly knows the topic and speaks his mind without confinements. Someone like Incontrol can say something more or less intelligent to every topic, without it feeling forced, but he is special in that regard. :p Anyway, good work and keep producing this awesome podcast | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On September 02 2011 22:50 Liudo wrote: It's the extremely slow paced format of this show that has put me off watching it recently. Whatever topic that they are looking at, instead of letting questions and answers flow naturally, and allowing people to speak when they have something to say, questions are broken down into sub-questions and the same question is answered in turn by everyone, person by person. It seems forced, methodical and unnatural. I would prefer a more fluid presentation. It's a question of moderation and how the show is put together. People should be allowed to speak out of turn to an extent, and it's not necessary for every single person to have to give their opinion to every single question. Very true. It seems like JP has been better at moderating in the past. Sometimes the guys can ramble a bit (like tyler) when I think the show would be better if JP moved things along sometimes. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On September 04 2011 11:38 happyness wrote: Very true. It seems like JP has been better at moderating in the past. Sometimes the guys can ramble a bit (like tyler) when I think the show would be better if JP moved things along sometimes. I think JP does a good job moderating the show. If he wouldn't force some peoples opinion on certain matters, they would never speak out. Tyler for instance often stays quiet if he's not 100% sure about the circumstances or has a clear, thought out opinion that he can articulate well.. That's nothing bad per se, personally i think that's a really good attitude to have, but on a podcast show where the hosts are there to entertain / speculate / add content what ever, it's a bit weird if one stays quiet for 20 min . So i think JP does really well in sometimes forcing people to speak their mind, even if they are not really willing. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On September 04 2011 11:53 Elefanto wrote: I think JP does a good job moderating the show. If he wouldn't force some peoples opinion on certain matters, they would never speak out. Tyler for instance often stays quiet if he's not 100% sure about the circumstances or has a clear, thought out opinion that he can articulate well.. That's nothing bad per se, personally i think that's a really good attitude to have, but on a podcast show where the hosts are there to entertain / speculate / add content what ever, it's a bit weird if one stays quiet for 20 min . So i think JP does really well in sometimes forcing people to speak their mind, even if they are not really willing. JP does ok, the main thing he needs to improve on is keeping the conversation moving. A lot of times the show stagnates on a topic. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On September 04 2011 11:55 Duravi wrote: JP does ok, the main thing he needs to improve on is keeping the conversation moving. A lot of times the show stagnates on a topic. Kinda like this thread? | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On September 04 2011 08:41 Jayrod wrote: The biggest thing i really dislike about the european tournaments (and its seriously huge to me) is how disorganized the casting usually is. Casting is a really important part of the experience for me and when you have 10 different observers in one game, often lagging them up, with 90% of the casters being pretty terrible, its REALLY difficult to find entertaining matches with any sort of hype. Sure I'll see matches at these events that feature some of my favorite players, but the events always feel less epic because the presentation is really poor in comparison to MLG. The level of competition is often higher at the EU events than at the MLGs, but the production value really falls short making them harder to enjoy. Homestory cup was still one of my favorite tournaments to date in SC2, but I have trouble even remembering who wins most of the EU events because the matches are so brutally disorganized and the casting is a notch below. More than that, the EU casters seem to be way more knowledgable about the game (on average, not counting Day9), but it doesn't make up for it... they're just worse casters IMO. MLG isn't perfect, but those EU events are even further from perfect IEM cologne, Blizzard Invitational, Dreamhack, Assembly... How was the casting or the tournament disorganized there in any way? You had Rotterdam + Mirbitter + some nice guest casters in Poland, you had Rotterdam + MrBitter at IEM, you had Day9 with his own stream at Dreamhack and d'apollo and totalbisquit at Assembly. All important games were cast if not every single game and i can't remember any significant delays or breaks. Definitely less breaks than at MLG Raleigh where they even left out games very late in the tournament with 2 streams.... (it's been discussed in length...) The events may seem less epic to you personally for whatever reason but what you are stating is just plain wrong. It really seems to me as if you havent actually followed any of the tournaments at all. The one thing MLG has going for itself is the hype and the crowd and viewers it draws because of that hype. The tournament itself isn't better than any other tournament out there at all (not gonna go into details there). Even the prize money is quite weak in comparison. | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
On September 04 2011 12:34 AntiGrav1ty wrote: IEM cologne, Blizzard Invitational, Dreamhack, Assembly... How was the casting or the tournament disorganized there in any way? You had Rotterdam + Mirbitter + some nice guest casters in Poland, you had Rotterdam + MrBitter at IEM, you had Day9 with his own stream at Dreamhack and d'apollo and totalbisquit at Assembly. All important games were cast if not every single game and i can't remember any significant delays or breaks. Definitely less breaks than at MLG Raleigh where they even left out games very late in the tournament with 2 streams.... (it's been discussed in length...) The events may seem less epic to you personally for whatever reason but what you are stating is just plain wrong. It really seems to me as if you havent actually followed any of the tournaments at all. The one thing MLG has going for itself is the hype and the crowd and viewers it draws because of that hype. The tournament itself isn't better than any other tournament out there at all (not gonna go into details there). Even the prize money is quite weak in comparison. Enjoy the tournaments and stop arguing about which scene (NA or EU) has the bigger balls. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On September 04 2011 12:55 TigerKarl wrote: Enjoy the tournaments and stop arguing about which scene (NA or EU) has the bigger balls. Personally thats not what I am arguing about. (I know you didn't reply to my post, but my post had a similar message as the one you replied to). I just think it is constructive to compare and discuss the large tournaments and see what they do good and bad and how they can improve. I don't care which tournaments are held where. Would be nice if SotG gave equal focus to European tournaments but I'm not really complaining. They have decided to have a US centric focus. If they wanted to focus equally on the EU scene they would invite a European as one of the main members of the cast. | ||
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MGHova
Canada274 Posts
EDIT: I FIGURED IT OUT, THE RSS FEED link worked  | ||
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Harrow
United States245 Posts
Skip back in this thread and you'll see people complaining that they spend too much time going over GSL results. | ||
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eXplod3
Norway43 Posts
Great show btw. | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
lets say a zerg fungals a clump of 10 stalkers while attacking with zerglings, if the fungal is nerfed by 5 damage than it will do 50 less damage overall vs them, which means 10 more hits need to be dealt from the zerglings. fungals rarely are able to kill off protoss units by themselves so i dont really understand the points incontrol made. that said his remarks of the hellions and their investment is dead on. it would be nice if dropping 4 bfhellions in a base was an investment and had cost if they didnt make it. i agree that keeping the damage for the current game is fine, as long as you make hellions cost more and would make the game more intersting than just spamming away hellions. | ||
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13414 Posts
On September 06 2011 12:37 Omigawa wrote: Oh wow, Labor Day weekend threw me off. Haha same here. I was looking for the podcast, then couldnt find it then came here to see if it was me or not. Apparently it was me  loving the show though looking forward to tonights episode | ||
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
I might have homework BUT who cares cause its state of the game tonight ahh yea son! | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On September 04 2011 13:06 DrainX wrote: Would be nice if SotG gave equal focus to European tournaments but I'm not really complaining. They have decided to have a US centric focus. If they wanted to focus equally on the EU scene they would invite a European as one of the main members of the cast. They do mention EU tournaments. But it's basically JP asking "Did anyone watch?" and most of the time maybe one says "Yeah I watched 1-2 games". It's different with MLG - everyone (except sometimes Artosis) is at the event. There's just more they can talk about. On September 04 2011 10:43 resilve wrote: Of course 2 weeks before and after MLG it's fine to focus on it more than any other event, but the GSL really is the pinnacle of SC2 and it is where people who perhaps are new and listening to SOTG as an intro to the scene (aswell as your average fans who don't watch that many streams or games outside big events) should be pointed, and the games referenced, when talking about the pro-scene. Yeah I agree The 2 weeks surrounding an MLG are fine. But I dont really like the "Oh groups are announced let's talk about it" and the next week "Oh the Koreans are now seeded into the groups, lets talk about it again". Just wait for the 1 week before MLG and then talk about all groups. | ||
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