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BrodiaQ
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States892 Posts
August 04 2011 03:41 GMT
#28821
Yes Geoff is back! Very excited for the future of SOTG!
"So come right up and let me squash your creativity with my iron fist of conservative play."--Nony
dapanman
Profile Joined September 2010
United States316 Posts
August 04 2011 03:44 GMT
#28822
On August 04 2011 12:33 flowSthead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 12:24 blade55555 wrote:
On August 04 2011 08:40 flowSthead wrote:
I'm interested in a response from Blizzard on how they chose their invitational. Does anyone know?


nobody knows, wish they had qualifiers or something because jesus sucks they don't give any info on it :/


Do they have a twitter or something? It's weird that they wouldn't respond to something like this. I mean not that State of the Game is an official response to Blizzard, but I imagine people have sent them emails about it over the last few months.

It just sounds surprisingly unprofessional.


Blizzard ignores community, more at 11.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
August 04 2011 03:55 GMT
#28823
that ostojoy thing by incontrol was hilarious hahaha then he met him on ladder
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
August 04 2011 04:02 GMT
#28824
On August 04 2011 12:55 darthfoley wrote:
that ostojoy thing by incontrol was hilarious hahaha then he met him on ladder



who won lol?
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
mattjkim
Profile Joined May 2011
United States34 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 05:28:50
August 04 2011 05:13 GMT
#28825


"It's like a rape competition. SURPRISE you're in our competition." tyler wasieleski
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
August 04 2011 05:56 GMT
#28826
Show was great, the flow was back and there were actual discussions and interaction with each other.
What i'm a bit concerned is that i have the feel people holding back their opinions, for whatever reason (scared of a shitstorm or something). They're not completely outspoken to what they think, and that's what i really really loved about the early SotG casts. Maybe it's just my imagination though.
wat
RESTRiCT
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada123 Posts
August 04 2011 05:57 GMT
#28827
On August 04 2011 14:13 mattjkim wrote:


"It's like a rape competition. SURPRISE you're in our competition." tyler wasieleski


HAHAHAH Funniest thing
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
August 04 2011 06:11 GMT
#28828
On August 04 2011 08:40 flowSthead wrote:
I'm interested in a response from Blizzard on how they chose their invitational. Does anyone know?


Well, last Blizzcon they used top MMR from ladder IIRC. They probably wanted to do the same this time but I suppose that the drop hacking incident came at a really uncomfortable time.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
mattjkim
Profile Joined May 2011
United States34 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 08:46:47
August 04 2011 08:17 GMT
#28829
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NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
August 04 2011 09:11 GMT
#28830
Latest episode was brilliant.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
willigan
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia104 Posts
August 04 2011 10:11 GMT
#28831
aww yeah i love you sotg. so much better than itg / lo3
boobs
magha
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands427 Posts
August 04 2011 11:02 GMT
#28832
They were talking about some kind of funny interviewer from MLG. Does anyone have a link to the video?
Sobba
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden576 Posts
August 04 2011 11:07 GMT
#28833
Incontrol really makes a diffrence to the show.
chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
August 04 2011 13:48 GMT
#28834
On August 04 2011 14:13 mattjkim wrote:


"It's like a rape competition. SURPRISE you're in our competition." tyler wasieleski


I laughed SO hard at that. xD
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PBG
Profile Joined June 2011
40 Posts
August 04 2011 13:56 GMT
#28835
On August 04 2011 20:02 magha wrote:
They were talking about some kind of funny interviewer from MLG. Does anyone have a link to the video?


not sure if this is the right one but i do recall they talked about this one



although I found it to be very awkward than funny personally
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
August 04 2011 13:56 GMT
#28836
On August 04 2011 03:24 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 02:58 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On August 04 2011 02:23 Dystisis wrote:
On August 04 2011 01:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:
edit: tyler thinks baneling drops are OP? awww c'mon tyler. A cannon in your mineral line aggros the banes.

Yeah he was talking about Baneling drops into the army while attacking.

yes, and also, i have this feeling that players like DRG and haypro have the ability to micro their banelings


it still isn't easy when you're dropping a mineral line that has a cannon. you have to drag-select immediately upon dropping and then specifically target probes. Takes more actions and the protoss has more time to react. Not to mention the possibility of one or two still catching the cannon. the way to avoid it is drop further away from the cannon, but then of course it [the cannon] can get more hits off/you're no longer at the heart of the mineral line, which is optimal. Yes, I also have this feeling -_-, but i think it's worth 150 minerals to force the actions and potential fuck-up.

as far as the big engagements are concerned, i've seen protoss deal with it exceptionally well. Either it goes great for the zerg or it goes terribly. Either the protoss lays great force fields and executes the blinks well or they don't. It's like the swing dynamic Day was talking about in the episode. you can engage well and clean up a bunch of overlords to boot, or you can get completely annihilated.

the big baneling play is also pretty vulnerable if there are a sprinkle of void rays in the mix, I've found, because they're invariably going to get charged up (the style is usually completely lacking anti-air, save infested terrans that don't bode well against colossus), and probably end up being cost efficient with clean up. obviously everything is situational, and you're not always going to have the stargate play to work with, but it's definitely something to consider i think.

once again, it isn't as if your claim is invalid--you're the pro, I'm the forum poster, it's not as if I could stand on even footing even if i were a staple in the community--but I don't think it can be stamped overpowered. Even if it were, nerfing overlords, as you mentioned, albeit off the cuff, doesn't seem like it'd ever be the right fix.


I might be wrong, but IIRC banelings don't auto-target any buildings including cannons because their auto-attack only works against units. However, they do aggro any other combat unit like zealots, stalkers, immortals, sentries, etc. However, you can still micro banelings anyways, but it's quite hard, especially if you drop into multiple mineral lines at the same time.

Prediction:
In 1 year we will see a single immortal behind all protoss mineral lines to distract banelings :p

Anyways, baneling drops are really, really effective and i've killed whole mineral lines even with 2 cannons defending them (usually an overlord can still drop 2-3 banelings before dying, depending on the angle in which you approach the cannons). It definatly requires protoss to be more active in defending and keeping control of their air space.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
August 04 2011 14:09 GMT
#28837
On August 04 2011 22:56 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 03:24 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On August 04 2011 02:58 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On August 04 2011 02:23 Dystisis wrote:
On August 04 2011 01:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:
edit: tyler thinks baneling drops are OP? awww c'mon tyler. A cannon in your mineral line aggros the banes.

Yeah he was talking about Baneling drops into the army while attacking.

yes, and also, i have this feeling that players like DRG and haypro have the ability to micro their banelings


it still isn't easy when you're dropping a mineral line that has a cannon. you have to drag-select immediately upon dropping and then specifically target probes. Takes more actions and the protoss has more time to react. Not to mention the possibility of one or two still catching the cannon. the way to avoid it is drop further away from the cannon, but then of course it [the cannon] can get more hits off/you're no longer at the heart of the mineral line, which is optimal. Yes, I also have this feeling -_-, but i think it's worth 150 minerals to force the actions and potential fuck-up.

as far as the big engagements are concerned, i've seen protoss deal with it exceptionally well. Either it goes great for the zerg or it goes terribly. Either the protoss lays great force fields and executes the blinks well or they don't. It's like the swing dynamic Day was talking about in the episode. you can engage well and clean up a bunch of overlords to boot, or you can get completely annihilated.

the big baneling play is also pretty vulnerable if there are a sprinkle of void rays in the mix, I've found, because they're invariably going to get charged up (the style is usually completely lacking anti-air, save infested terrans that don't bode well against colossus), and probably end up being cost efficient with clean up. obviously everything is situational, and you're not always going to have the stargate play to work with, but it's definitely something to consider i think.

once again, it isn't as if your claim is invalid--you're the pro, I'm the forum poster, it's not as if I could stand on even footing even if i were a staple in the community--but I don't think it can be stamped overpowered. Even if it were, nerfing overlords, as you mentioned, albeit off the cuff, doesn't seem like it'd ever be the right fix.


I might be wrong, but IIRC banelings don't auto-target any buildings including cannons because their auto-attack only works against units. However, they do aggro any other combat unit like zealots, stalkers, immortals, sentries, etc. However, you can still micro banelings anyways, but it's quite hard, especially if you drop into multiple mineral lines at the same time.

Prediction:
In 1 year we will see a single immortal behind all protoss mineral lines to distract banelings :p

Anyways, baneling drops are really, really effective and i've killed whole mineral lines even with 2 cannons defending them (usually an overlord can still drop 2-3 banelings before dying, depending on the angle in which you approach the cannons). It definatly requires protoss to be more active in defending and keeping control of their air space.

You are correct about the cannon. they have to switch the baneling over to also target buildings before it can be aggro'd by the cannon.

OT: Amazing episode, glad to have Jeff back, there was some great camaraderie on the show. Thanks!
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
VirtuallyJesse
Profile Joined February 2011
United States398 Posts
August 04 2011 14:25 GMT
#28838
No MLG video player.. Geoff is back.. the show might still have some life left in it. ^_^
fedexfan
Profile Joined September 2010
Bulgaria40 Posts
August 04 2011 14:35 GMT
#28839
Can anyone please tell me the minute where Tyler made the rape competition joke, i went through the whole show and somehow missed it ...
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
August 04 2011 14:48 GMT
#28840
On August 04 2011 23:35 fedexfan wrote:
Can anyone please tell me the minute where Tyler made the rape competition joke, i went through the whole show and somehow missed it ...

Sorry, I don't know the exact time, but it's when they're discussing the Blizzard Invitational-thingy.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
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