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Holykitty
Netherlands246 Posts
On June 29 2011 01:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I agree with Destiny. I wouldn't ever want to do business with EG. On a personal level, I like a lot of EG people. But professionally, EG is a joke. if eg had more posts on TL would they be less of a joke? : D <3 | ||
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Gomas
Poland311 Posts
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
You can listen to some episodes of Live on Three, I think he spends a few minutes explaining some stuff surrounding it. Especially at the current time, I see no reason for anyone to start going on another tangent and getting their panties in a twist again against "EG" for "forcefully removing iNcontrol" from SotG. Reason being, he also quit the NASL. Which was his passion project, he worked and lived up to for many months. That alone outweights the whole SotG thing. By giving up something as big and important as the NASL, I feel you can deduce that there is something legit going on that makes iNcontrol himself want to put his focus on other things, like playing the game and being a serious contender. Is anyone even to blame for that? Ofcourse not, I would suggest you rather accept that patience is a virtue because I'm sure it sucks going back to relisten to anyone of the previous 40 podcasts for a few weeks rather than having a new one and support the people you enjoy. Be it JP doing whatever he is doing atm before he will comeback again and continue to put in a lot of effort into making State of the Game as awesome as it is. INcontrol for picking up the mouse and keyboard again and really going for his dream, to be the best player he can be. Or SirScoots who has been an incredibly important person for so many years, in ways laying foundations for the current times to be so amazing for us esports fan and will continue to do so. So please, take this as my plea. Put the tinfoil hats down, to some extend Scoots does have some influence and impact on the situation purely because he is the team manager and does a lot with and for his players, but ultimately he gives them the final decision. He doesn't care if iNcontrol is gonna be host podcasts and casts all week, but that's only possible if iNcontrol himself doesn't care about being a player on team EG. I feel that is very straight forward and it's just how things work. I see no points to hook into here that someone lead me to believe that behind all this, something "malicous" is in the works. I have dodged the screenshot in all my writing up to now. Simply because it's only a few lines of words, who knows what is said before, or in which way it is meant. The way I interpret it, those lines fit perfectly in the situation as I see it as described above so I feel no reason to raise any alarm or attempt to create any sort of drama. Part of the reason for me writing all this is because I hope it will help you or others to not go crazy about this. From merely reading some of the insanely bold assumptions made by previous comments I cannot wonder but almost know how the next 10 pages are gonna be like, and frankly I'd rather avoid those all together. If you want to continue on this topic, I sincerely hope you do so with proper backing up of your points. Simply speculating about this is a lot more malicious than anything I can see that "EG" could've done. So while you go an portrait someone as "an enemy", take a good hard look in the mirror to see if you aren't an enemy of ESPORTS. | ||
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Holykitty
Netherlands246 Posts
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SushilS
2115 Posts
No better time than this.,\.... | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On June 29 2011 01:12 legatus legionis wrote: If you want to continue on this topic, I sincerely hope you do so with proper backing up of your points. Simply speculating about this is a lot more malicious than anything I can see that "EG" could've done. So while you go an portrait someone as "an enemy", take a good hard look in the mirror to see if you aren't an enemy of ESPORTS. At this point it's getting quite ridiculous to still claim it's all speculation. Points have been backed up pretty well. I have no diplomatic ties to ESPORTS btw, I'm just a Starcraft fan. And I guess most of us are. | ||
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Keldory
United States65 Posts
No matter who's on it though I can't wait for more SotG!! My tuesday nights / wednesdays are lackluster without my JP/geoff/tyler/sean/grack fix. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On June 29 2011 01:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I agree with Destiny. I wouldn't ever want to do business with EG. On a personal level, I like a lot of EG people. But professionally, EG is a joke. I agree with destiny as well, being all secretive and manipulative is very insulting the fans/community. I'm really running out of reasons to support them, and the blanket rationale of "I support E-Sports, therefore I must accept anything and everything related to E-Sports as being all fine and dandy" is really wearing thin. Throw on top of this IdrA being the E-Sports' biggest drama queen, and I'm past my limit. As such, I've decided to refuse to watch any EG events, buy any of their sponsors' products or watch any of their players at events. I realize I'm just a drop in the bucket and that my sanctimonious BS is just that, but eventually if enough people decide to take a moral stand, EG as an organization is going to have to learn that this sort of underhandedness does not sit well with the community and will hopefully change themselves for the better. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6208 Posts
On June 29 2011 01:44 Pyo wrote: I agree with destiny as well, being all secretive and manipulative is very insulting the fans/community. I'm really running out of reasons to support them, and the blanket rationale of "I support E-Sports, therefore I must accept anything and everything related to E-Sports as being all fine and dandy" is really wearing thin. Throw on top of this IdrA being the E-Sports' biggest drama queen, and I'm past my limit. As such, I've decided to refuse to watch any EG events, buy any of their sponsors' products or watch any of their players at events. I realize I'm just a drop in the bucket and that my sanctimonious BS is just that, but eventually if enough people decide to take a moral stand, EG as an organization is going to have to learn that this sort of underhandedness does not sit well with the community and will hopefully change themselves for the better. I still don't get why they did it, every company in the world and everyone says they want more transparency but when it actually comes down to it they never are... In the end if they had just said that they wanted incontrol on itg you wouldve had 10 pages of discussion and everyone could probably live with it but how they handled it now and that it came out just lowers their image massively for a large amount of people and can be potentially very damaging. | ||
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Frooook
United States10 Posts
Thanks to SotG, all of the players or hosts that appeared on it are on the tip of my tongue. I was excited for MLG Columbus since JP was now full time, I want iNcontroL's move to the EG house to be spectacular. I cheered on Tyler at Dreamhack and HSC. I think this reaction has been compounded by the hiatus of SotG. Why did the show stop without iNcontroL? They can't find some more random guests every week? If you like SotG, don't be mad at EG and iNcontroL, ask JP there is such a long hiatus. MLG was like a month ago. Maybe iNc's career isn't the only one that has outgrown SotG, and that's not a bad thing. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 29 2011 01:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I agree with Destiny. I wouldn't ever want to do business with EG. On a personal level, I like a lot of EG people. But professionally, EG is a joke. I totally understand if EG and their sponsor thought the show was a bit of a conflict, or if EG wanted their players to focus on the game itself. It's reasonable, since they need to keep themselves in the spotlight for their sponsors. I really hope this is just a case of really poor PR work, where a manager told a player: "Hey, you have to many side projects and I think its hurting your proformance. Maybe we want to focus on playing and doing what is necessary to keep our sponsors happy." There is nothing wrong with that. The main issue I have is the manager should be making that announcment for the player and taking the heat off them. If he wants his players to focus on winning, great, we should support him and understand they can't do everything. He is supposed to manager them and keep them focused. But these seems like just some mismanaged PR, if that. Or the best case of meta-trolling ever. | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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Domination
United States1177 Posts
On June 29 2011 02:10 Frooook wrote:I think this reaction has been compounded by the hiatus of SotG. Why did the show stop without iNcontroL? They can't find some more random guests every week? If you like SotG, don't be mad at EG and iNcontroL, ask JP there is such a long hiatus. MLG was like a month ago. Let's see. There was MLG. Afterwards, JP was moving to and setting up the new MLG studio in Galveston I believe. Day9+Tyler went to Europe. Basically everyone was doing shit this month. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
On June 29 2011 01:05 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I agree with Destiny. I wouldn't ever want to do business with EG. On a personal level, I like a lot of EG people. But professionally, EG is a joke. That public opinion is very rude Tyler especially considering you are "friends" with incontrol and idra and probably know all the other guys and SirScoots, you should keep it for yourself! And if you still talking about the EG cup just let it go man.. The matter of fact is that these guys are paid to play SC2 and they spend more time in talk shows and casting then practicing! I much prefer to see results from idra, incontrol or tyler then another casting or community event and i love those especially when they are there! I would rather have a SOTG with day9, JP and other non competitive guys and have you perform well and win tournaments then to keep you on SOTG and lose games! What kind of sport has professional active players has regulars in competition "talkshows"? none that i know off.. Talkshows are for retired players or other SC2 agents like casters, managers and event organizers. Plus i feel your image was getting to much exposure and you get lots of bad press for shit that you say in SOTG! It's fun to see you guys talking but some of the topics and shit you guys say does more harm then benefit imo! Successful player -> streams -> streams more and casts -> less sucess There is a reason why the most successful players don't stream and it's not like because they don't like money.. If MC streamed for 10h he would have an average of 10000 atleast, just like idra does! But idra knows that 10hour ladder streaming is not a good practice! | ||
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Frooook
United States10 Posts
Number of SotG episodes Geoff has missed: 0 | ||
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SirScoots
United States138 Posts
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ShadowWolf
United States197 Posts
On June 29 2011 02:17 Plansix wrote: I totally understand if EG and their sponsor thought the show was a bit of a conflict, or if EG wanted their players to focus on the game itself. It's reasonable, since they need to keep themselves in the spotlight for their sponsors. I really hope this is just a case of really poor PR work, where a manager told a player: "Hey, you have to many side projects and I think its hurting your proformance. Maybe we want to focus on playing and doing what is necessary to keep our sponsors happy." There is nothing wrong with that. The main issue I have is the manager should be making that announcment for the player and taking the heat off them. If he wants his players to focus on winning, great, we should support him and understand they can't do everything. He is supposed to manager them and keep them focused. But these seems like just some mismanaged PR, if that. Or the best case of meta-trolling ever. I agree with this entirely. To be honest, I kind of wish they'd just said "EG and its sponsors believe that EG players need to focus on EG products first. Unfortunately, there's not enough time for the players to do both Inside the Game and State of the Game while keeping up the required practice for tournaments and other required activities. We hope you understand that we feel it's important to keep EG as strong as possible and we expect that our players and casters are focused on the EG brand first. We are encouraging our players to stay involved with the show as guests as long as it doesn't affect their other activities, but both InControl and EG believe that him stepping down is the best choice for him as a player as well as representing EG as an organization." | ||
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tsuxiit
1305 Posts
Tyler has now called us a joke of a company twice. So honored. I think a lot of people would have appreciated a little more transparency about this, though; I mean it's common knowledge that Geoff would never have left the show of his own volition. EG came out appearing more like the bad guy than it would have if it had just explained its position. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
Well, maybe I am just easily amused. At least a dozen times now someone has told me something that EG has done or said or plans to do and my first reaction is to laugh. But it's ok, I'm in a bit of a rut myself. If I had to watch all of my important matches in the past year, the only way I'd survive is by laughing. | ||
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Arishok
125 Posts
It's fucking 4 hours a week. It's not detrimental to them in the slightest. It's even possible for them to practice while on SOTG if they wanted to, just talk through skype and not have the webcam on -_- | ||
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